Ending the Itachi vs. Kakashi debate Part 1: 3T Kakashi > 3T Itachi
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Ghost in the Shell
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I'm just getting started to be honest. I've gone into acute detail as to why Kakashi wins this. Yet the Itachi wankclowns have spat all sorts of hot garbage on this thread, while the other regular fanboys have just said "ahh good thread but I disagree" without saying why or "manga portrayed who's better" which isn't true at all. The only thing I can come up with is that they aren't so manga inclined, or can't accept the fact that Kakashi solos the supposed solo king. If the only thing people say after this is that "Itachi has already long been established as the winner" then I'll take that as a concession, because as far as I'm concerened, nobody has countered any of my points yet.
@uchiha senju Thanks man but I already addressed that in our last debate. The fact they were in genjutsu doesn't matter, they were still engaging in CQC. It would only matter if the genjutsu they were in was a paralyzing one, but it wasn't since both Uchiha bros could see through them.
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makosheva7
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Nice thread! I totally agree. Although I think it would be a high diff victory for Kakashi as opposed to mid diff. Itachi is a crafty motherf***er
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Yeah I agree.
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Weaker versions of Kakashi with less chakra and not much intel geeking the shit out of Itachi not once but twice in the manga shows how Itachi is so much smarter and craftier than Kakashi like all these manga inclined Itachi defenders are saying, lml. I guess Itachi is also somehow in Kakashi's league in clone feints despite getting fooled twice
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whilst Kakashi saw through bunshin daibakuha, lml.
I guess Kakashi completely analyzing and deciphering Itachi's Tsukuyomi and fighting style after just having faced him once whilst Itachi failed to do the same for Kakashi's fighting style and got feinted again in Part 2 also shows how Itachi is so much smarter than Kakashi, smh.
Nah, solo god had better things to do, am I right? Itachi's soloness rubs off so much on his fans that they become solo gods themselves and solo logic, am I right?
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Mugen Onsa
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I agree but Kakashi wins with high dificulty against a healthy 3 tomoe Itachi. His chakra levels permitted him to maintain v4 susanoo for a while when he was sick, dying, and nearly out of chakra, so his reserves shouldn't be so bad when healthy even if they're still average. Don't pay any mind to these sick asshats, Itachibase is nothing now that Owarij, FloriGori, Blaze Release, Forbidden Technique, maybe Prince Charles (he logged on the other day), Strict, and others have left NB or aren't as active anymore. Chie was never really that good either, just another fapclown that lived in lala land when it came to itachi.
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makosheva7
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I agree, I'm not sure if this post is malicious towards me or not, I'm way too high.
Mugen Onsa
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Nah, I think he was just being sarcastic towards the Itachi fans. I don't blame him either, just look at all the fecal matter that the Itachi wankers have posted on this thread. Pure garbage at best, nothing but speculation and bias. Especially Nattana and parts of Chie's posts, pure ignorance at its finest.
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Great thread my fellow disciple. I have to agree. Especially with the part about feints. Kakashi is easily the best at using crafty clone feints in the manga, as was shown when he even managed to fool a Rinnegan user like Pain. Overall, great thread and a great analysis.
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While there are some good points in your argument for kakashi, you are underestimating Itachis abilities. The fact that Izanami was not included in Itachis favor only proves 3 tomoe itachi has other abilities outside of MS that Kakashi cant deal with.
The last time I checked, part 1 Kakashi was so weak that he feared for his life when even conftronted by Orochimaru. The same Orochimaru Itachi effortlessly defeated with his sharingan only And who admitted inferiority to Itachi but laughed at Kakashis threat.
Kakashis sharingan drains so much chakra as a non uchiha he would be dying from chakra exhaustion by the time Itachi was ready to finish him off. In part 1 the only reason Itachi decided to use Tsukuyomi was because he wanted to end Kakashi quickly and leave. He did not want the conflict to escalate because thats not why he came to the village. Any argument saying he was outsmarted and had to use MS is baseless and ignores plot.
Itachis fight with Sasuke, a true uchiha and natural dual sharingan user proves that his proficiency with gengutsu is leagues above Kakashis and he would have no difficulty defeating him with his gengutsu abilities alone.
The last time I checked, part 1 Kakashi was so weak that he feared for his life when even conftronted by Orochimaru. The same Orochimaru Itachi effortlessly defeated with his sharingan only And who admitted inferiority to Itachi but laughed at Kakashis threat.
Kakashis sharingan drains so much chakra as a non uchiha he would be dying from chakra exhaustion by the time Itachi was ready to finish him off. In part 1 the only reason Itachi decided to use Tsukuyomi was because he wanted to end Kakashi quickly and leave. He did not want the conflict to escalate because thats not why he came to the village. Any argument saying he was outsmarted and had to use MS is baseless and ignores plot.
Itachis fight with Sasuke, a true uchiha and natural dual sharingan user proves that his proficiency with gengutsu is leagues above Kakashis and he would have no difficulty defeating him with his gengutsu abilities alone.
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Unorthodox
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2012 were the days in NB dont remember you as a text waller though just a theory man
On god lmao thats why kidgamer think he wins he just dont give up posting and post wall of text but i only post walls when im in a official debate or just needs to own some rookie like you.
Could go either way
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izanami is left out due to its ridiculous prep time.
good thing this isn't part 1 now is it?
so we're just gonna ignore itachi's surprise when he stabs a water clone and Kakashi is swimming under him. Cool.
Sasuke saw through all his genjutsu's. The only one that had any effect was tsukuyomi. The same would apply to kakashi, and it was displayed when he saw through obito's genjutsu. But hey live in part 1 all day.
2012 was definitely the best year. I used to rustle people's jimmies with my flame threads(lol) and time to time give my opinions in debates without going that much further(unless in formal debates and even then), but majority of the theories and analysis i made came true
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This is getting really ****ing irritating.
The ****ing irony of this statement.
Anyways, let me break this down for you. I'm going to make it really simple, so simple that Itachi fans are going to be able to somehow get at least a gist what I am saying. I'm even going to use caps lock, increase the size of my font, bold, and underline my words so that you clowns can see them clearly. If you need me to color them as well, or make them bigger, send me a PM.
1. Kakashi makes two clones off screen, and is fast enough to have all of the clones intercept Itachi and Kisame, whilst getting underwater
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2. Kakashi has Itachi set up for an attack and
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, since Asuma was already more or less holding his own against that version of Kisame. 3. Kakashi chooses to save Kurenai from the exploding shadow clone. Now pay real good attention to what I say here: If Itachi is so fast and sneaky about making his clone feints, and is a better clone feinter than Kakashi, then how did Itachi end up stabbing a water clone, show a surprised reaction to the real Kakashi underwater, and then Kakashi knowing that the clone Kurenai was standing near was a ****ing clone? Please induldge, I beg you.
At this point, Itachi chooses to use the Mangekyo Sharingan and use Tsukuyomi to end the battle. (pay ESPECIALLY good attention to what I'm about to say next)
If Itachi could have just ended Kakashi so easily with orthodox 3T sharingan genjutsu, then why did he choose to waste a crap ton of chakra in using Tsukuyomi? It would be illogical for Itachi to do so if he could have just ended Kakashi so easily with 3T genjutsu as you and the other assclowns on this thread are implying. Yet he didn't. Why?
PAY ATTENTION TO THE NEXT THING I'M ABOUT TO SAY SO MUCH THAT YOU'VE NEVER EVER FOCUSED ON SOMETHING SO INTENTLY IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, WATCH AS IF YOU WE'RE WATCHING A BEAUTIFUL FEMALE WALKING RIGHT BY YOU, CAUSE THIS ONE'S GONNA BE A DOOZY!!!!!11111!!!111
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"YOU" MEANING THE REAL KAKASHI IN THIS CONTEXT
3T SHARINGAN CAN SEE THROUGH 3T SHARINGAN GENJUTSU, HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT........................................................................
Now what is going to be a counter to this?
Plot! Exactly. Itachi is such a solo king that plot and Kishimoto, his creator, don't do him justice.
Remind me to never take any of the clowns that actually think this seriously again. Ever.
And just so you know, the amount of time Kakashi had his sharingan active during his fight against Zabuza was way more than the time he had the sharingan active against Itachi when they fought, genius. And I'm actually talking about War Arc Kakashi in this thread who had the sharingan active for nearly 2 days of fighting along with using chakra exhausting jutsus like Raikiri variants and Kamui.
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I strongly advise you to take a good look at those two scans and review the sheer idiocy and Uchiha wank you just spouted. Take a really good look.
EVEN BEFORE THEN, HE COULD HAVE EASILY COUNTERED 3T SHARINGAN GENJUTSU BY VIRTUE OF HAVING THE 3T SHARINGAN (which can see through ocular genjutsu, can it not???) AS ITACHI CANONICALLY STATED IN THE SCAN I POSTED ABOVE, AS HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED EVER SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE MANGA AND THE DATABOOK. COMPRENDE VOUS?
I guess you didn't really read the big ass notification saying THIS IS WAR ARC 3T KAKASHI VS 3T ITACHI either, but why I should be so surprised by this when it has already been established that the collective proficiency of reading comprehension among NB members rivals that of a 6th grader is quite beyond me. I have to get used to it somehow, but it's a damn shame that I, and other competent users of this site, have to adapt to stupidity. Such is the fate of humanity as a whole in the real world as well, I suppose.
If I see that you reply, and your reply is full of shit like the crap you just finished spouting here, and is in line with the other textual excrement that has been posted on here by the other Itachi wankclowns, then I'm not going to respond...because quite frankly, and with all due respect, most of the arguments that I've seen thrown against me on this thread are based off of biased perception and fanfiction, and I have already countered the same shit that you just tried to throw at me several times.
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RSMUzumaki
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You are going to give Kakashi Sasukes feats? Because Kakashi is on Sasukes level with the sharingan right? And its funny that you say keep living in part 1 when one of the main "feats" youre giving to Kakashi comes from his part 1 encounter. Izanamis prep time against Kakashi would be low diff for Itachi who could pull it off against a character(DSM Kabuto) tiers above Kakashis level who he wasnt even trying to kill. Kakashi has no feats in the manga that show hes anywhere near Sasukes let alone Itachis level in gengutsu and if he does please correct me. All these assumptions about the king of gengutsu losing to a ninja with a borrowed sharingan are ridiculous. His best jutsu is Raikiri and he would never be able to land that on Itachi not to mention Itachi laughing at all of his techniques. Anything Kakashi can do with base 3 tomoe sharingan Itachi can do better and Kakashi has no unique techniques that would even cause a problem for Itachi on any level.
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I understand you believe your argument is perfect. But you cant sit there and tell everyone here that you believe Kakashi would outlast itachi in a genjutsu fight. We both know his chakra reserves would wain far sooner than Itachis is much better than Obito or Kakashi at genjutsu In combat as the manga has already proven this to be his expertise. Not to mention that Izanami would KO Kakashi no diff if he chose to and theres nothing Kakashi could do about it. No MS needed. 3 tomoe itachi can beat Kakashi with one eye closed.
why ? Why this long argument ? Do you really think the itachi wank would stop ?Psycho Maid;18657952U said:
You made great points, but you can't argue with itachi fans , they will just keep wanking
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EliteKakashi
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It was obvious that 3T Kakashi surpassed 3T Itachi when he was given the stamina of a god in the war arc. 8 raikiri/5 kamui/2 shadow clones/1 doton wall before assistance from Kurama. It was debatable in the Pain arc because their skill sets are relatively similar, but the debate ended once the war arc came around.
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Nah dude Itachi solos genjutsu gg. Kunai spam from different directions gg. Intelligence gg. Crows gg.
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