Holding Hashirama for fifteen minutes is stalling.
My gosh you are stupid. :|
They're Edo tensei for crying out loud, no amount of Susanoo or wood human is going till kill them.
Not only do you pick a scan of Madara telling Hashirama to entertain him, you nicely wrap up another scan of Madara winning the outcome with rods he impaled him with in Edo tensei.
No but Madara could have put Hashirama down at any time like he did here:
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Yet Madara couldn't put down Hashirama who matched PS with Mokujin. They stalemated, and Hashirama didn't even use his full power SS. And you claim EMS Madara without Kurama would take him down?
Not only do you pick a scan of Madara telling Hashirama to entertain him, you nicely wrap up another scan of Madara winning the outcome with rods he impaled him with in Edo tensei.
Yet Madara couldn't put down Hashirama who matched PS with Mokujin. They stalemated, and Hashirama didn't even use his full power SS. And you claim EMS Madara without Kurama would take him down?
You are making me repeat myself over and over again. Can you read this scan?
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"The flower will bloom in 15 minutes. In that time I'll stop Obito and switch with him, using your hermit power"
The underline proves Madara meant to defeat Hashirama, steal his Senjutsu, and fight Juubito in 15 minutes, but he failed. Thus, he couldn't defeat Hashirama. He even admits it in this scan:
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Your scan is irrelevant because it came before my scan. New scan > Old scan.
Yet the DB hypes Mokujin to be on par with Perfect Susanoo (and manga proves it).
Yet we still have clowns like you saying Madara could defeat Shinsuusenju with PS alone despite the fact PS was stalemated with Mokujin which sits at the head of SS
This will be my last reply to you. You're wasting my time.
You are making me repeat myself over and over again. Can you read this scan?
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"The flower will bloom in 15 minutes. In that time I'll stop Obito and switch with him, using your hermit power"
The underline proves Madara meant to defeat Hashirama, steal his Senjutsu, and fight Juubito in 15 minutes, but he failed. Thus, he couldn't defeat Hashirama. He even admits it in this scan:
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Magical garb Susano'o (Iso Susano'o)
Ninjutsu kekke genkai close range supplementary Users: Uchiha Madara/Uchiha Sasuke
Turbulent God, dressed into the gold impregnable armor (likely some kind of mythological armor)!
This jutsu is 9-tailed fox (kuuybi no yoko), sheathed(armored) in clad "Susano'o" armor. Gallantly using weapons that "Susano'o" carry in its front paws(hands),just like the fangs of the predator...!!It also combines the absolute defense and attack power of the "Susano'o" and 9-tails, this jutsu allows the user perfectly utilize different abilities of both (9-tails and Susano'o). Picture:defense ,that had been invented by Uchiha Madara s "doujutsu" against Hashirama.
Ok,so it is now pretty clear that neither Sasuke nor Madara used Absolute/Complete Susano'o in their battles against obito/Hashirama. It's was just "Susno'o" wrapped around 9-tails. Likely 9-tails physical power allowed to slash that mountains,as Susano'o is only a garb/armor in this jutsu.
DB never said anything about wood human and perfect Susanoo.
Prove it or gtfo
Yet we still have clowns like you saying Madara could defeat Shinsuusenju with PS alone despite the fact PS was stalemated with Mokujin which sits at the head of SS
Your scan was before Madara stated he had 15 minutes to defeat Hashirama, thus irrelevant because Madara wasn't serious before, but that changed as soon as he spoke those words.
Don't know how many times you have to read it until you grasp it.
What the hell does this prove? All I see is Madara immobilized with the God gates, and Hashirama still moving....yet I still call it a stalemate when technically it wasn't since Hashi could still move..... Lol..
Any who sees it dies, I guess that's how Hashirama died. +1
Madara said anyone who sees it dies.....implying he has killed shinobi with PS before.
@Bold: Aren't you saying EMS Madara never used it against Hashirama? So how can you use this as a counter? If he didn't use it against Hashirama (like you are telling me) then his words do not apply to Hashirama. Lol
I wouldn't expect you to process this with that single digit IQ tho.
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Mokujin no jutsu (literally wood human)
Ninjutsu,kekke-genkai,no range,defensive,offensive.
Users:Hashirama Senju/Zetsu.
Descending God,that makes everyone get crushed by their karma(repent for their sins)!
God of shinobi Hashirama Senju was very good at ninjutsu. By given chakra to make wood (wood release) grow faster,to take shape into very big/gigantic mokujin. The giant excels in defense and offense,and has strong physical attacks. During the battle with Madara it was on par with 9-tails. Mokujin head also can be a protective shelter for Hashirama, turning itself into defense of unrivaled sturdiness.
Picture: Hashirama used this jutsu to catch and return back bijudama with just one hand. Jutsu only achieved because of Hashirama s naturally (literally chakra reserves in gene cells) large chakra.
So,ok.Clearly this jutsu is a ninjutsu,that uses chakra to maintain its form/shape,so any jutsu that affects chakra (Preta path,Shinra-tensei,Gudoudama etc.) will destroy it effortlessly. On the other hand it got nice hype (on par with 9-tails physical power etc.). Also I was surprised that Zetsu can use it.Though he has Hashirama s chakra,so why not?
Databook states Mokujin is on par with Kurama in physical strength & Manga says the Bijuu is on par with PS .
Thus: PS = Mokujin in physical strength. This is further supported with them stalemating in the manga.
As for the expected counter. Databook specifically states physical strength so this does not account for the Bijuudama (which neither Mokujin nor PS can produce, so this is a moot point anyway).
EMS Madara never used PS, so I do t know what the crap is.
I am not going to step in this debate between you two, but he isn't talking about PS here. Onoki is talking about how Madara wasn't taking him seriously then, and fast forward in time, the situation is the same now. "Even then" doesn't mean he's talking about an object, but a point in time, and the argument here is 'he held back and didn't take them seriously'.
It doesn't even remotely imply that he used Susano'o or PS against them.
I am not going to step in this debate between you two, but he isn't talking about PS here. Onoki is talking about how Madara wasn't taking him seriously then, and fast forward in time, the situation is the same now. "Even then" doesn't mean he's talking about an object, but a point in time, and the argument here is 'he held back and didn't take them seriously'.
It doesn't even remotely imply that he used Susano'o or PS against them.
Idk what you guys are debating on but Madara did have PS before the Rinnegan, unless you're telling me legless Susanoo is enough to withstand the force of Hashirama's Buddha Statue
That's because Sasuke's EMS was influenced by Hagoromo's chakra. The Rinnegan basically increased Indra's chakra to its maximum potential without the years of training. He would have eventually gained PS if plot allowed him to develop his EMS jutsu.
The Curse Seal had a similar influence on Sasuke's Sharingan, he was able to break tsukuyomi jutsu because it changed his chakra into what it would be with a Mangekyo.
Sasuke didn't use the Curse Seal to break Tsukiyomi. The only time he was drawn with it on was during the Genjutsu, yet when the panels returned to the real world he didn't have it on.
Sasuke didn't use the Curse Seal to break Tsukiyomi. The only time he was drawn with it on was during the Genjutsu, yet when the panels returned to the real world he didn't have it on.
But the panel of him covered in CM marks just proves that he had to rely on it in order to break the Genjutsu. Whenever his CM was activated his chakra was taken to its "prime". Sasuke's chakra was compared to the CM during the Kage summit so that proves the CM was able to boost his power to MS level before he awakened the dojutsu.
But the panel of him covered in CM marks just proves that he had to rely on it in order to break the Genjutsu. Whenever his CM was activated his chakra was taken to its "prime". Sasuke's chakra was compared to the CM during the Kage summit so that proves the CM was able to boost his power to MS level before he awakened the dojutsu.
But the panel of him covered in CM marks just proves that he had to rely on it in order to break the Genjutsu. Whenever his CM was activated his chakra was taken to its "prime". Sasuke's chakra was compared to the CM during the Kage summit so that proves the CM was able to boost his power to MS level before he awakened the dojutsu.
So using bijuu chakra to get out of genjutsu is not the same as using bijuu chakra in real life ? He needed CM chakra to disrupt Tsukuyomi because the CM turns his chakra into what it would be if he had a Mangekyo.
Remember that Itachi said you need the Mangekyo to break out of his genjutsu, his chakra under the influence of the CM was the equivalent of his chakra when he awakened MS.
