Why complaints about "Destiny" and "Child of Prophecy" are irrelevant

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Why complaints about "Destiny" and "Child of Prophecy" are irrelevant

Welp, came across a thread where this was a common complaint (and I talked about it there as well, people just aren't there right now, so no "why didn't you say it there crap).


People have this common complaint that the Naruto series butchered itself by introducing a prophecy. Basically, they're saying that Naruto was "destined" to save the world, and as such, "overcoming destiny" was thrown out the window. I'm here to tell you that this is wrong, and what people overlook in order to justify their personal dislike for the Naruto series.


First off, I'll refute the prophecy argument. There's one tiny little detail people overlook when they talk about the prophecy. (conveniently for their argument's sake)


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"He'll either finally bring piece to the world, or utterly destroy it."

This right here, is what's ignored in favor of the complaints. Naruto wasn't destined to save jack. Naruto was predicted to have a choice that would determine the fate of the world. Nothing else. He had equal opportunity to fail as much to succeed. Nothing guaranteed that Naruto would succeed. It was Naruto, and not destiny, that saved the world.


Naruto also did overcome destiny by solving the feud between Indra and Ashura.

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So please, to those who use this argument, just accept that the Naruto series doesn't, or had become to not align with your tastes and don't invent inconsistencies to excuse your dislike. It just gets annoying for those of us who pay attention to the details when you use this. We're not going to rage if you lost interest.
 

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Re: Why complaints about "Destiny" and "Child of Prophecy" are irrelevant

Inb4 main character arguments.

Great thread, needs more itachi but great thread nonetheless.
 

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Can't they say that Naruto was still destined to do the things he did? To stop the brothers feud? To save the world? All his hardwork was already preordain beforehand.
 

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The destruction part didn't mean he would've become a loser, it meant he could have become evil and destroy everything. Either way the prophecy guaranteed that naruto would be powerful regardless of the choices he makes.
 

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Re: Why complaints about "Destiny" and "Child of Prophecy" are irrelevant

If you got into the manga for the whole "achieve the impossible" theme then the idea of "child of prophecy" would feel like a spit in the reader's face, especially if if you considered Neji's fight against Naruto to be one of the inspirational moments that made you love the manga.
 

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The child of prophecy thing was overhyped, Naruto stopped the brothers fued that's the important factor
 

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Only an idiot will think MC in Shonen manga like naruto will destroy peace and here is your answer
An underdog isn't someone destined for greatness. He's someone who defies circumstances and overcomes the odds by sheer hardwork, not through being a "Child of Prophecy" or the "Reincarnation of Ashura". They shape their own destiny, not follow a path to the destiny that is strength which was already defined by prophecies and bloodlines and lineage. Naruto was born into a lineage riddled with huge names, the Rikudo Sennin, Namikaze Minato and Otsutsuki Ashura. He grew up having incredible potential and talent, but no skill. All he had to do was practice for a little bit, then he'd have what he wanted.
 

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Only an idiot will think MC in Shonen manga like naruto will destroy peace and here is your answer

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i thought the destroyer part was nagato? @.@

he wouldnt have met the bijuu without obitos war and the toads prophecy completely skipped the war for the naruto sasuke fight kishi always wanted to end it with. so he wasnt gonna destroy anything
 

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Re: Why complaints about "Destiny" and "Child of Prophecy" are irrelevant

Inb4 main character arguments.

Great thread, needs more itachi but great thread nonetheless.

Of course. Excuse the fact that I forgot Itachi's observation to this.

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Despite being Ashura's reincarnation, he almost went Indra's route. This should show how fragile Naruto's "destiny" really was.

Can't they say that Naruto was still destined to do the things he did? To stop the brothers feud? To save the world? All his hardwork was already preordain beforehand.


Well, no, because the prophecy left a choice that would destroy the world. It's like saying "you will have the biggest influence over everything that exists, but I have no clue what choice you will make, or what the consequences will be."
 

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Agreed. Naruto was shunned, feared, and even despised growing up. As he told Sasuke, they very well could have been in each other's shoes. Naruto could have been set on destroying Konoha or the world.

Naruto choose to not hang onto bitterness, hatred, and revenge. His forward-looking mindset and hard work, both the result of choice, are what enabled him to fulfill the prophecy.
 

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i need 140 posts to surpass you Silver :bdpf:

My spamming days are long over. You'll be there in no time.

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Re: Why complaints about "Destiny" and "Child of Prophecy" are irrelevant

The destruction part didn't mean he would've become a loser, it meant he could have become evil and destroy everything. Either way the prophecy guaranteed that naruto would be powerful regardless of the choices he makes.

You do know a prophecy can be changed...

And that is also the point of the manga... the guy who ever despised and hated.. happened to be the child of prophecy. Take out his "never give up".. there is no more prophecy child.
 

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And also OP should know dat both Naruto and Sasuke are children of prophecy so naruto wouldn't be the one to destroy the world Lol
 

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Of course. Excuse the fact that I forgot Itachi's observation to this.

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Despite being Ashura's reincarnation, he almost went Indra's route. This should show how fragile Naruto's "destiny" really was.




Well, no, because the prophecy left a choice that would destroy the world. It's like saying "you will have the biggest influence over everything that exists, but I have no clue what choice you will make, or what the consequences will be."

That's a good point that you pointed it out, I thought he was going indra's route when itachi told him to chill and let your friends help you out because he would have turned out like madara and or sasuke. Nice
 

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Re: Why complaints about "Destiny" and "Child of Prophecy" are irrelevant

You do know a prophecy can be changed...

And that is also the point of the manga... the guy who ever despised and hated.. happened to be the child of prophecy. Take out his "never give up".. there is no more prophecy child.

I know that is the point of the manga.

And no a prophecy can't be changed, because the prophecy comes to pass because of the actions of those who heard the prophecy. In other words it comes true because those who heard the prophecy act on it.

Examples of these include Macbeth and God of war.
 

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Only an idiot will think MC in Shonen manga like naruto will destroy peace and here is your answer

Only an idiot would resort to "He's the MC" as an excuse for a hole in the argument, as it has no relevance to actual destiny, just the author's writing.

I came because you quoted me O__O"


Your argument was also incorrect, (although not as bad as Blazings by any regard).


Naruto, despite being the reincarnation of Ashura, almost went the exact opposite way.

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His predecessor guaranteed nothing. Naruto is still Naruto.


Ashura gives no known skills. He himself, had no talent, and had to have help awakening his powers.


Naruto didn't inherit the full potential of either parent. This had no benefit other than his life force, which is not as good as Kushina's, and even then, if this were a valid argument, Naruto was not an underdog from the first chapter.


Naruto is an underdog. Nothing insured he could get the abilities he did.
 

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Re: Why complaints about "Destiny" and "Child of Prophecy" are irrelevant

Agreed on few but I disagree on most.

Him having a choice of destroying the world doesn't mean that he isn't spacial anymore. Naruto was an underdog and he was suppose to stay that way , to be honest half of his character's credibility went out the moment Kishi decided to make him the "child of prophecy"and this is coming from a naruto fan.
 
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Re: Why complaints about "Destiny" and "Child of Prophecy" are irrelevant

Itachi should have saved the world. Well he actually did.
 

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Well, no, because the prophecy left a choice that would destroy the world. It's like saying "you will have the biggest influence over everything that exists, but I have no clue what choice you will make, or what the consequences will be."

Could have been that if Naruto lost everything would be destroyed, while if he won it would bring peace?
 
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