Firstly ST is different from stabbing attacks. Its a gravity attack. This shows his body is durable enough to survive it.
Secondly CT, well that thing was a joke actually. Not the attack but that event.
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Kyuubi breaks CT neg diff. Its 1 tail away from freedom, and bam 4th stops him by restoring the seal.
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Ok, so far great. You just got emotional boost from your dad and ready to fight. But whats this all about ?
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If you weren't in control, how come you managed to control that natural energy ?
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Clones obviously dispelled while you were still Kyuubi, and you were talking with 4th and feeling dispear. That natural energy should've left without anyone to control it. Anyway assuming I'm buying all this crap, it is Kyuubi who survived CT not Naruto. And when Kyuubi's effect left Naruto should be like this or worse. This was the result of a 4 tails rampage, but Naruto endured 8 tails.
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Sakura was forced to heal him after. Anyway like I said if I buy this crap, I would say since 4 tails damaged him that bad and made it necessary for Sakura to heal him, Naruto being in top-notch condition with SM is showing his Sennin mode's healing abilities.
There's a lot of contradictions considering that part 1 naruto was healed from a cut by the kyuubi chakra as well.
But in all naruto's inconstant healing power.
The master of frog sagemode:
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Died to a stab of the rod like Jiraiya:
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Both use sagemode but can't heal in frog sage mode.
DSM only preformed oral rebirth to recover from damages
And Hashirama's ability can heal from almost anything
Kyuubi healed one of his lungs as well if I remember correctly, but BM Naruto wasn't able to heal a dislocated shoulder while Hinata fixed it for him. And Hashirama's powers according to Madara was on a level with Tsunade's Yin Seal if not better. But even that has limits, like regrowing lost limbs.
In Fukasaku and Jiraiya's deaths, I'm not much worried. Considering where the hit land in Fukasaku example, it was probably heart considering he died without any words.
And Jiraiya.. Well he actually showed great durability feats. While he was dying he already lost an arm, got his throat crushed and stabbed multiple times which were probably on lethal points. Even then he managed to hold himself alive enough to leave a dying message.
And Black Rods, aside form regular Wikia I got nothing. But mostly they're accurate and using Databook translations to update their information.
Kyuubi healed one of his lungs as well if I remember correctly, but BM Naruto wasn't able to heal a dislocated shoulder while Hinata fixed it for him. And Hashirama's powers according to Madara was on a level with Tsunade's Yin Seal if not better. But even that has limits, like regrowing lost limbs.
In Fukasaku and Jiraiya's deaths, I'm not much worried. Considering where the hit land in Fukasaku example, it was probably heart considering he died without any words.
And Jiraiya.. Well he actually showed great durability feats. While he was dying he already lost an arm, got his throat crushed and stabbed multiple times which were probably on lethal points. Even then he managed to hold himself alive enough to leave a dying message.
And Black Rods, aside form regular Wikia I got nothing. But mostly they're accurate and using Databook translations to update their information.
I don't know if he heals out of spite or kishi just wanted to chose when he healed or not.
Whatever it is, he has some explaining to do in the DB.
As for black rods I have to figure out why it's so sturdy and powerful enough to pierce a toad sage mode user, but easily breakable for Pein, Obito, and Madara.
- The black rods damaged him when he applied little force compared to when Negato shot in out of his contraption.
- He felt Madara's Katon attack burns on his skin.
- Kakashi was hit with it as well. Nothing happened to him.
- The black rods damaged him when he applied little force compared to when Negato shot in out of his contraption.
- He felt Madara's Katon attack burns on his skin.
- Kakashi was hit with it as well. Nothing happened to him.
On page 1, I was like "what the heck? these guys don't know what they're talking about. I can't even read most of those posts"
so I skip to page 3 and I'm faced with this civilized discussion that I'm having a hard time fathoming. Well done.
On topic: I believe the strength of sage mode comes from focusing chakra rather than just uniform durability..
Jiraiya was an imperfect sage mode user, so let's leave his case aside, and consider Naruto and Fukasaku. Fukasaku died from a counter attack stab by a black rod that appeared distinctively sword-like in the image. It may well have been more sharpened than the regular rods. That, combined with the fact that Fukasaku was on the offensive, and as such vulnerable, he may not have been able to employ sage mode defensively.
Naruto, during the fall on spiky rocks, would have been focused on preventing damage from that, since he would be seeing himself hitting the spikes. This means he would be distributing his chakra like a drowning man grabbing a straw, and that may have caused the increased durability there.
Frog Kata is similar to Tsunade's taijutsu, in that it focuses chakra to strengthen the punches. This supports my theory that focusing chakra increases sage mode's defense as well.
Truth be told, though, I'm just saying this from memory, and am myself uncertain about the exact circumstances of Fukasaku's death. I'd be grateful if someone can fetch that scan.
On page 1, I was like "what the heck? these guys don't know what they're talking about. I can't even read most of those posts"
so I skip to page 3 and I'm faced with this civilized discussion that I'm having a hard time fathoming. Well done.
On topic: I believe the strength of sage mode comes from focusing chakra rather than just uniform durability..
Jiraiya was an imperfect sage mode user, so let's leave his case aside, and consider Naruto and Fukasaku. Fukasaku died from a counter attack stab by a black rod that appeared distinctively sword-like in the image. It may well have been more sharpened than the regular rods. That, combined with the fact that Fukasaku was on the offensive, and as such vulnerable, he may not have been able to employ sage mode defensively.
Naruto, during the fall on spiky rocks, would have been focused on preventing damage from that, since he would be seeing himself hitting the spikes. This means he would be distributing his chakra like a drowning man grabbing a straw, and that may have caused the increased durability there.
Frog Kata is similar to Tsunade's taijutsu, in that it focuses chakra to strengthen the punches. This supports my theory that focusing chakra increases sage mode's defense as well.
Truth be told, though, I'm just saying this from memory, and am myself uncertain about the exact circumstances of Fukasaku's death. I'd be grateful if someone can fetch that scan.
Deva used Bansho Tenin and pulled him forward whilst he was kneading Senjutsu Chakra with the female sage frog for Frog Song. He was pulled straight onto the rod he was holding out. He got speared, basically.
On page 1, I was like "what the heck? these guys don't know what they're talking about. I can't even read most of those posts"
so I skip to page 3 and I'm faced with this civilized discussion that I'm having a hard time fathoming. Well done.
On topic: I believe the strength of sage mode comes from focusing chakra rather than just uniform durability..
Jiraiya was an imperfect sage mode user, so let's leave his case aside, and consider Naruto and Fukasaku. Fukasaku died from a counter attack stab by a black rod that appeared distinctively sword-like in the image. It may well have been more sharpened than the regular rods. That, combined with the fact that Fukasaku was on the offensive, and as such vulnerable, he may not have been able to employ sage mode defensively.
Naruto, during the fall on spiky rocks, would have been focused on preventing damage from that, since he would be seeing himself hitting the spikes. This means he would be distributing his chakra like a drowning man grabbing a straw, and that may have caused the increased durability there.
Frog Kata is similar to Tsunade's taijutsu, in that it focuses chakra to strengthen the punches. This supports my theory that focusing chakra increases sage mode's defense as well.
Truth be told, though, I'm just saying this from memory, and am myself uncertain about the exact circumstances of Fukasaku's death. I'd be grateful if someone can fetch that scan.
I think VariaBossX, you can get some idea why black rod can pierced Sage Mode body from all this replies you get here
Yes, there is no black rod complete info in DB
Maniaoqan have given you one example how sage mode users still can be pierced by something other than BR.
The problem here is because you think frog sage mode is different from other type of SM in durability but i4s actually the same. Madara's SM body have high durability that can withstand tailed beasts assault although one of his arm broke apart but if only one tailed beast attack him, he can survive without damage even if not using susanoo.
All attack that sage mode users body can tanked without any damages are AOE attack, or non focus type of attack.
Thats mean they can survive from being thrown to the wall, fall from high places. But this rod is point focus attack like sand bullet from Shukaku or Sasuke sword. The focus attack usually focus on single and small area of target body. And all the forces are channel toward that single attack point compared to most AOE attack that focus on wide area of target body.
To sum it up, all sage mode users have same body durability even I point you on JJ Madara in which have highest form of Sage body but still can be penetrated by BZ easily.
You can connect all answer given by members here and get the big picture.
