Naruto-verse idealists have been the better realists

[KingHashirama]

Now the thread title might by confusing. However, I am simply saying that people like Naruto/Hashirama have been more real than the so called "realists" like Danzo/Madara who are bigger idealists.

See people seem to think, Naruto and Hashirama just day dream about peace, without looking at the reality and acknowledging what is happening in the world. However, that is highly incorrect.


Hashirama: Perfectly acknowledged that the peace he attained would only last a short time, and war would start again. However, even with that due to the foundation of the leaf villages and the gokage meeting in the future shinobi would eventually come together, that was his dream. Did he live in it? no... the man had already seen death of kids and etc. Not killing Madara before Konoha was founded = brilliant move. He also acknowledged that only way humanity can ever come close to peace is..... through understanding.

Naruto: Some people have this idiotic misunderstanding about where he stands. The guy has been hated on, called a monster while not knowing.. Suffered since a little kid.. to come out and say, hes just a guy who only dreams is quite BS. He acknowledged Nagato's pain and suffering, he acknowledged what the system had done to Nagato... him not killing Nagato wasn't an idealistic move.. but a realistic move. Nagato would've been imprisoned. Naruto acknowledged Sasuke's pain and what hes been through. He acknowledges the fact Sasuke can't truly be blamed for everything. He acknowledges that understanding is the only thing that can lead to "peace" and a peaceful world.




Now lets look at the reality of things, even in our world. (this is what i see in our world)

What leads to peaceful times? people understanding and getting along with each other and co-exist

What leads to shitty times with war and etc (not counting natural disasters or epidemics) ? Hunger for power, wanting to do everything yourself, considering yourself above others.



Danzo : trying to become a hokage, while being a hypocrite and working with enemies of the leaf, and taking out people like Yahiko who were trying to stop war.. all in order to magically protect the village.. because that will lead to peace and protection of the leaf. Yet in reality, killing and experimenting on people and doing other dirty crap doesn't lead to peace.. just leads to corruption.

Madara: Moons eye plan, as if putting people in dreams is peace in reality.. Stay dreaming. And of course killing people for fun sure does help support "the winners and losers crap".


Realism: : the quality of a person who understands what is real and possible in a particular situation and is able to deal with problems in an effective and practical way


Idealism : : the attitude of a person who believes that it is possible to live according to very high standards of behavior and honesty


PS: all of them have qualities of both, but Hashirama/Naruto seem to be the more realistic ones.

 

[KingHashirama]

nah Naruto's view is just too childish he ignores the fact that the world will go to shit after his death

What sent me overboard was "The Coolest Guy" - there is just no excuse for that

Tbh the best view is Sasuke

What fact did he ignore?

Why would it go to shit if Sasuke ( the second strongest) dies with him? (and i find it funny that people actually think he was gonna die along side sasuke).



@Bold, now that was you failing to realize the character of obito, and the symbolism it represented.

"OBITO" (this name symbolizes the part of Obito that was before he was corrupted by Madara) had been dead for a while... the part that tried to work for moons eye plan = Madara.. according to Madara Uchiha Obito at that point was just another Madara. Naruto was real enough to acknowledge had he been in Obito's spot he would've turned out the same.


Sasuke's plan for peace = force = opposite of peace = revolutions along the line.

 

[take it easy]

Takeh's post is perfect example that people took Naruto's words out of context.

 

[Blink89]

Sasuke's plan for peace is building a new system without bijuu to start

This did not explain the blatant remark that just proves how unrealistic Naruto is



Lel your posts are perfect examples of Naruto fans trying to compensate for the bs he said.

Obito:

- kills Narutos parents
- kills a bunch of people in the leaf during invasion of Konoha
- hunted bijuu
- started the shinobi war
- killed thousands of shinobi
- killed Neji (but its cool)

........Conclusion: He is the coolest guy

You forgot that he too wanted to become Hokage one time when he was like 12.

 

[KingHashirama]

Sasuke's plan for peace is building a new system without bijuu to start

This did not explain the blatant remark that just proves how unrealistic Naruto is

Sasuke's plan for peace = becoming the new villain, and finding magical immortality, that those stronger than him couldn't find. And then him doing things like that will magically lead to everyone obeying him, and hence leading to peace.. guess what Kaguya tried.. it didn't work out.

Bijuus aren't the problem, humanity was.



@Bold, it did explain, you are choosing to ignore it again. Naruto never forgave Obito, he made it very clear, go reread the his and obito's confrontation.

Furthermore, him calling obito an awesome guy has nothing to do with being unreal... If you aren't going to think about the way he said it, why bother talking about it?

This is the obito uchiha kishimoto referred back to:

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[BlazeRelease]

Here's reality; people are misinterpreting the "coolest guy" from both ends.

Here's how; first, naruto DID go overboard, because obito did in fact turn rotten and kill most people close to naruto and almost end the world. "The coolest guy" is a poor choice of words for the emotion he tried to express, but he did have reason to admire "obito", whose name is more defined by his childhood than his "tobi" incarnate.

Also, naruto is indirectly referring to the aforementioned obito in that scene, and as such, it really has been taken out of context. Naruto has every reason to admire "obito", and he did. But that doesn't mean "the coolest guy" was a good choice of words. But this is naruto, who forgives people for anything in a heart beat, and the obito he knew at the end could have been "cool" to him.

And to anyone who thinks naruto is childish for that; I consider someone who forgives people far more mature than someone who holds on to a grudge, no matter the cause. It takes a lot of strength and wisdom to forgive someone and e em look past their previous failures and see the good in their current presence.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol you can try to defend that as much as you want does not make it any less ridiculous.

I do not feel like arguing this it seem pointless and Naruto has without a doubt some of the most unrealistic and childish ideals I have seen

.............The Coolest Guy (are you ****ing kidding me)

So you are choosing to be ignorant? If that is the case so be it.

But Naruto doesn't think about becoming immortal, the guy acknowledges real problems:

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He wanted the "coolest guy" (even though he didn't call him the coolest guy) to make up for his sins, normal ways:

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[Shruikan]

Just because he wanted to be Hokage and was a good guy once means you call him a cool guy?

Many criminals also have a tragic background which makes them so.Doesnt mean you say "The XYZ who never murdered people and wanted to be an artist was the coolest guy" Lol

 

[KingHashirama]

Just because he wanted to be Hokage and was a good guy once means you call him a cool guy?

Many criminals also have a tragic background which makes them so.Doesnt mean you say "The XYZ who never murdered people and wanted to be an artist was the coolest guy" Lol

Once.. no , he died as a good guy.

Because i'm sure Hitler, nearly died, and then was brainwashed.. and then ended up helping save the world... you could atleast use a better example man.. lol.


Or you searching for Sasuke's magical immortality also? Because i'm sure the guy who kills konoha citizens because a corrupt geezer said so, is the true hokage.

Here's reality; people are misinterpreting the "coolest guy" from both ends.

Here's how; first, naruto DID go overboard, because obito did in fact turn rotten and kill most people close to naruto and almost end the world. "The coolest guy" is a poor choice of words for the emotion he tried to express, but he did have reason to admire "obito", whose name is more defined by his childhood than his "tobi" incarnate.

Also, naruto is indirectly referring to the aforementioned obito in that scene, and as such, it really has been taken out of context. Naruto has every reason to admire "obito", and he did. But that doesn't mean "the coolest guy" was a good choice of words. But this is naruto, who forgives people for anything in a heart beat, and the obito he knew at the end could have been "cool" to him.

And to anyone who thinks naruto is childish for that; I consider someone who forgives people far more mature than someone who holds on to a grudge, no matter the cause. It takes a lot of strength and wisdom to forgive someone and e em look past their previous failures and see the good in their current presence.

he never called him the coolest guy. Correct translation is for a guy who wanted to be Hokage, he was awesome.

^^ Those are the key words. I'm sure when he was killing people and trying to achieve peace, and was brainwashed by Madara.. and was raised by nobody ... and saw the guy who gave his eye to kill the person he loved..... i'm sure he wasn't thinking about becoming hokage then..

The Obito who died, the man who became good...


(Not saying you were wrong, but just wanted to make it clear, he didn't call him the "coolest guy" in canon)

 

[Angelic.]

yay! misunderstand obito posters

individuality creates differences irl congress is in a stalemate etc

madara stepped over others in order to get there. it made the world a mess but gave them a common enemy

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Here's reality; people are misinterpreting the "coolest guy" from both ends.

Here's how; first, naruto DID go overboard, because obito did in fact turn rotten and kill most people close to naruto and almost end the world. "The coolest guy" is a poor choice of words for the emotion he tried to express, but he did have reason to admire "obito", whose name is more defined by his childhood than his "tobi" incarnate.

Also, naruto is indirectly referring to the aforementioned obito in that scene, and as such, it really has been taken out of context. Naruto has every reason to admire "obito", and he did. But that doesn't mean "the coolest guy" was a good choice of words. But this is naruto, who forgives people for anything in a heart beat, and the obito he knew at the end could have been "cool" to him.

And to anyone who thinks naruto is childish for that; I consider someone who forgives people far more mature than someone who holds on to a grudge, no matter the cause. It takes a lot of strength and wisdom to forgive someone and e em look past their previous failures and see the good in their current presence.

Yea like Naruto have only peeked Obito mind for more or less 5 minutes and already he admired the crueltality because of his so called similarities even when Naruto whole life is f*cked up because of Obito which he not only started many war but he had also killed his Family, his friends, leading the world to chaos by killing innocent and destroying the villages as well. Even when Obito turned good, that is still BS to say that Naruto could easily praise him right after the fight they had...

 

[KingHashirama]

yay! misunderstand obito posters

individuality creates differences.
madara stepped over others in order to get there. it made the world a mess

huhhhh? V_V can you be more clear on what you mean?

Yea like Naruto have only peeked Obito mind for more or less 5 minutes and already he admired the crueltality because of his so called similarities even when Naruto whole life is f*cked up because of Obito which he not only started many war but he had also killed his Family, his friends, leading the world to chaos by killing innocent and destroying the villages as well. Even when Obito turned good, that is still BS to say that Naruto could easily praise him right after the fight...

Because NARUTO UZUMAKI HAS GONE THROUGH THE SAME BULLSHIT........ His friends/the people of konoha.... same people you are saying he shouldn't have called Obito the "coolest guy" for.. are the same people that made fun of him.. called him a demon.... And there are also those people who just stood there on the side lines..

Kakashi /neji/Hiruzen/Konoha villagers/Konoha kids of his generation all being guilty of that. Isn't it dumb for him to save them, even though they made him suffer through most of his childhood?

Only those who have gone through tough life, can understand others who have gone through tough life.

 

[KingHashirama]

@BlazeRelease

Naruto didn't forgave evil Obito.

i don't think he even forgave the normal obito. He was cool with Nagato also, but he never forgave nagato either even as edo.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

huhhhh? V_V can you be more clear on what you mean?



Because NARUTO UZUMAKI HAS GONE THROUGH THE SAME BULLSHIT........ His friends/the people of konoha.... same people you are saying he shouldn't have called Obito the "coolest guy" for.. are the same people that made fun of him.. called him a demon.... And there are also those people who just stood there on the side lines..

Kakashi /neji/Hiruzen/Konoha villagers/Konoha kids of his generation all being guilty of that. Isn't it dumb for him to save them, even though they made him suffer through most of his childhood?

Only those who have gone through tough life, can understand others who have gone through tough life.

I said Similarities. Please reread what I just stated. It doesn't matter if they gone through the same shit, that is very irrational to easily admire or forgive a person who just recently killed all your native friends family. LMAO with that bold, according to your logic, you would rather blame a person who died on your shoulder rather than the killer. :leaf:

 

[KingHashirama]

I said Similarities. Please reread what I just stated. It doesn't matter if they gone through the same shit, that is very irrational to easily admire or forgive a person who just recently killed all your native friends family. LMAO with that bold, according to your logic, you would rather blame a person who died on your shoulder rather than the killer. :leaf:

He didn't admire Obiot.... He simply said he was an awesome guy for wanting to become Hokage.

Now lets talk logic.. since you wanna talk about my logic.. and please try to stay consistent.. and i really do want you to reply back to this bro.


- Naruto calling Obito uchihai (the good version of obito) an awesome guy for wanting to become Hokage, because he hurt Naruto's "precious friends" is wrong.. correct? Alright < this is what you are claiming.


- Kakashi Hatake, was on the sidelines didn't do shit to help Naruto until he was basically assigned to him... despite Naruto being his sensei's son. Naruto easily could've commit suicide, or ran away or get kidnapped and etc..(Now lets apply your logic), due to the fact Kakashi is reponsible for Naruto's suffering why should Naruto help him? He was part of the problem why he suffered.. why should Naruto have saved Kakashi? (throw in sakura in this also)

- Konoha, the place he saved against pain. Anyone besides Iruka stood up for him and helped him? .... i recall all of them calling him a demon, and not wanting him to exist.. and thinking he was a curse.. (lets apply your logic now) , due to the fact these people making him suffer it makes 0 sense for Naruto to save them, and claim them as his friends, when before they were calling him demon and so on, right?




^^^ So Do you agree with those 2 above? Naruto was an idiot to save konoha, and admire Kakashi? yea?

Hopefully you don't disagree with those 2 above things.. if so.. you are just gonna prove your logic is inconsistent.

 

[Angelic.]

He didn't admire Obiot.... He simply said he was an awesome guy for wanting to become Hokage.

Now lets talk logic.. since you wanna talk about my logic.. and please try to stay consistent.. and i really do want you to reply back to this bro.


- Naruto calling Obito the uchihai (the good version of obito) an awesome guy for wanting to become Hokage, because he hurt Naruto's "precious friends".. correct? Alright < this is what you are claiming.


- Kakashi Hatake, was on the sidelines didn't do shit to help Naruto until he was basically assigned to him... despite Naruto being his sensei's son. Naruto easily could've commit suicide, or ran away or get kidnapped and etc..(Now lets apply your logic), due to the fact Kakashi is reponsible for Naruto's suffering why should Naruto help him? He was part of the problem why he suffered.. why should Naruto have saved Kakashi? (throw in sakura in this also)

- Konoha, the place he saved against pain. Anyone besides Iruka stood up for him and helped him? .... i recall all of them calling him a demon, and not wanting him to exist.. and thinking he was a curse.. (lets apply your logic now) , due to the fact these people making him suffer it makes 0 sense for Naruto to save them, and claim them as his friends, when before they were calling him demon and so on, right?




^^^ So Do you agree with those 2 above? Naruto was an idiot to save konoha, and admire Kakashi? yea?

Hopefully you don't disagree with those 2 above things.. if so.. you are just gonna prove your logic is inconsistent.

not to mention he didnt hold a grudge against the cloud for trying to kidnap kushina,try to kill minato, and leading to nejis dads death. he loves bee. naruto is such an awful person

he was aknowledging the obito who wanted to be aknowledged and be hokage. not that hard to figure out.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The only logical person in nv is nagato. His nuclear deterrent plan is what we use in the real world today. Ppl realize that using the big guns only results in fallout that comes back to your own shores(pyrrhic victory). As such we don't go large scale when we fight.

 

[KingHashirama]

not to mention he didnt hold a grudge against the cloud for trying to kidnap kushina and leading to nejis dads death. he loves bee. naruto is such an awful person

he was aknowledging the obito who wanted to be aknowledged and be hokage. not that hard to figure out.

Of course. He also, didn't kill the sand people and go rampage on them, when they are also partially responsible for the death of the 3rd. That Naruto is just an evil evil person. XD lol

eh, these people just like to stay in denial and stay ignorant, but when you apply the same logic to their favs, they'll just get hurt.

The only logical person in nv is nagato. His nuclear deterrent plan is what we use in the real world today. Ppl realize that using the big guns only results in fallout that comes back to your own shores(pyrrhic victory). As such we don't go large scale when we fight.

The nuclear deterrent plan seems to be failing in the real world. 1/3 world in poverty. Wars in many countries. Innocents dying in non-sense firing.

Countries failing to do anything about the gangs inside their countries..

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The nuclear deterrent plan seems to be failing in the real world. 1/3 world in poverty. Wars in many countries. Innocents dying in non-sense firing.

Countries failing to do anything about the gangs inside their countries..

1/3 poverty is due to poor government , and gangs within countries are again small scale.

 

[KingHashirama]

1/3 poverty is due to poor government , and gangs within countries are again small scale.

Nagato's plan was about people(small scale), not just countries stayingin check. lol.