Naruto-verse idealists have been the better realists

[Nagi]

The problem with Naruto is that he go around saving people and never lead them. He don't even think about the pain that another person will be going through from being save.

The 1st hokage and Naruto are terrible and unrealistic. They was only able to achieve their dreams due to their godly strength. They was destined for greatness. Neji's speech about it was right the whole time. Switch Naruto and the 1st hokage with anybody else(not sasuke or Madara or itachi), they wouldn't be able to pull off half of the shit they done. That's why they're unrealistic.

They're giving out this false illusion of everybody can be save and that there is no such thing of making a hard decision. Through out all manga and non-cannon movies, you see Naruto questioning or not listening to the 5th hokage or kakashi when they give out order or say this is must be done. Naruto is promoting the idea of if you don't agree with your leader, go behind their back and do whatever you think is right.

Naruto is indirectly hurting others by saving them or not letting them have it their way. That's selfish and make him no different from any other villain.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Nagato's plan was about people(small scale), not just countries stayingin check. lol.

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Nuclear deterrent. Only difference is more than 1 person has the bug gun. Unlike with nagato where's there's only 1 big gun. It works. The big gun hasn't been used since ww2(For war purposes). There's the Iraq war but that was really just to catch a terrorist group.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Naruto is the coolest guy of this series.

 

[Angelic.]

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Nuclear deterrent. Only difference is more than 1 person has the bug gun. Unlike with nagato where's there's only 1 big gun. It works. The big gun hasn't been used since ww2(For war purposes). There's the Iraq war but that was really just to catch a terrorist group.

nukes arent stopping extemists tho. those people arent big enough to nuke

 

[bencoby]

would read later, but i agree.

 

[KingHashirama]

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Nuclear deterrent. Only difference is more than 1 person has the bug gun. Unlike with nagato where's there's only 1 big gun. It works. The big gun hasn't been used since ww2(For war purposes). There's the Iraq war but that was really just to catch a terrorist group.

The big gun if used only results in pointless deaths, possibly end of humanity.

The bully method is what causes war.. using it to find peace.. good luck man.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

nukes arent stopping extemists tho. those people arent big enough to nuke

Neither is naruto. I mean obito already started a world war b4 naruto spoke to him.
Sasuke already was an international terrorist despite naruto trying to tnj him for 600+chapters. Ppl like that will always exist. Beliefs is the strongest thing in this world.

The big gun if used only results in pointless deaths, possibly end of humanity.

The bully method is what causes war.. using it to find peace.. good luck man.

And thats exactly why we don't resort to using it. We saw what happened in japan.

It's not bullying since both sides have the power. Nagato's weapon wasn't exclusive to 1 country. Neither is nuclear weapons. By knowing the extent of the power they posses they exercise restraint.

 

[Magi]

nah Naruto's view is just too childish he ignores the fact that the world will go to shit after his death

What sent me overboard was "The Coolest Guy" - there is just no excuse for that

Tbh the best view is Sasuke

^Pretty much

 

[To Whatever]

Obito lived most of his life under fake aliases.


"I am Tobi"

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"I am Madara"

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"I am No one"

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[KingHashirama]

Neither is naruto. I mean obito already started a world war b4 naruto spoke to him.
Sasuke already was an international terrorist despite naruto trying to tnj him for 600+chapters. Ppl like that will always exist. Beliefs is the strongest thing in this world.



And thats exactly why we don't resort to using it. We saw what happened in japan.

It's not bullying since both sides have the power. Nagato's weapon wasn't exclusive to 1 country. Neither is nuclear weapons. By knowing the extent of the power they posses they exercise restraint.

If nagatos idea was countries keeping each other in check with the nukes... then it was a plan already being used.

Nagatos plan was him having the nuke.. more accuratly obito having the nuke.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If nagatos idea was countries keeping each other in check with the nukes... then it was a plan already being used.

Nagatos plan was him having the nuke.. more accuratly obito having the nuke.

No it wasn't, a tailed beast/jinchuuriki dosen't equal the power of a nuke. Since high class/ s class ninja can easily rival them.

Where does he even mention obito in that scan?

 

[WalksInShadows]

Hashirama knowingly handed absolute political power to a rascist thinking it was going to change said racist's views, and Naruto called someone who murdered ppl(including his mother) "the coolest guy". Better realists? I think not.

 

[KingHashirama]

No it wasn't, a tailed beast/jinchuuriki dosen't equal the power of a nuke. Since high class/ s class ninja can easily rival them.

Where does he even mention obito in that scan?

He didn't need to... it was already shown Obito was the mastermind behind him.. and he was doing what Obito told him.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

He didn't admire Obiot.... He simply said he was an awesome guy for wanting to become Hokage.

Now lets talk logic.. since you wanna talk about my logic.. and please try to stay consistent.. and i really do want you to reply back to this bro.


. - Naruto calling Obito uchihai (the good version of obito) an awesome guy for wanting to become Hokage, because he hurt Naruto's "precious friends" is wrong.. correct? Alright < this is what you are claiming

Aliright so If I Cut off your d!ck you would call me an awesome guy because we're similars right??? If I burn your House and killed your family&friends you would call me the coolest guy!!!! That's according to your LOGIC!! Isn't that what you're trying to claim?

- Kakashi Hatake, was on the sidelines didn't do shit to help Naruto until he was basically assigned to him... despite Naruto being his sensei's son. Naruto easily could've commit suicide, or ran away or get kidnapped and etc..(Now lets apply your logic), due to the fact Kakashi is reponsible for Naruto's suffering why should Naruto help him? He was part of the problem why he suffered.. why should Naruto have saved Kakashi? (throw in sakura in this also)

- Konoha, the place he saved against pain. Anyone besides Iruka stood up for him and helped him? .... i recall all of them calling him a demon, and not wanting him to exist.. and thinking he was a curse.. (lets apply your logic now) , due to the fact these people making him suffer it makes 0 sense for Naruto to save them, and claim them as his friends, when before they were calling him demon and so on, right?




^^^ So Do you agree with those 2 above? Naruto was an idiot to save konoha, and admire Kakashi? yea?

Kakash is nothing to compare to the likes of Obito. Kakashi was in the moment of his depression and he's too busy with other mission so he had nothing to do with what Naruto had become because he was never the one to lead his life to tradegy. It was OBITO!!!! Yeah Kakashi is a failure of a sensie but not everyone are perfect, everyone have mistakes, and that's understandable.

Admiring, forgiving, praising or whatever you like to call won`t change anything when he literally called the coolest guy in his most incoherent filthy dialogue when it comes to the situation at hand which were not even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Nagato was almost the same and Naruto didn`t act all childish when he`s worshipping Nagato, he understand his pain but when it comes to Obito, he`s all Lovey dovey using the worst choice of diaolgue to completely justify his action just because they went through the same shit blah blah blah
Which means Naruto is laughing over his dead friend and family corpse, he's disgracing everyone



I agree that you're sick and disordered person to easily call everyone the coolest guy who f*cked up your life

 

[KingHashirama]

Can't reason with a guy who isn't consistant in his thinking....

 

[Narutohokage324]

The coolest guy was shit. Anyone who tries to defend cannot. I mean Kishimoto's writing went downhill before and after that, he just shits on his characters. Though, he did the SAME thing to Sasuke. Let's pretend this did not happen, but it is cool right? Not. He made both of the characters say some weird ass shit. Look:

nah Naruto's view is just too childish he ignores the fact that the world will go to shit after his death

What sent me overboard was "The Coolest Guy" - there is just no excuse for that

Tbh the best view is Sasuke

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[BenjerminGaye]

He didn't need to... it was already shown Obito was the mastermind behind him.. and he was doing what Obito told him.

Obito's plan was clearly different from nagato's. Hence the no mention. Stop trying to jump around truth.

 

[V h o]

Well Naruto's dream (guess added to hokage?) was for all shinobi to work together....it did sort of happen Lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well Naruto's dream (guess added to hokage?) was for all shinobi to work together....it did sort of happen Lol

Only cuz they shared a common enemy and had no choice.

 

[lndra]

Only cuz they shared a common enemy and had no choice.

Now they are at peace and are working together still. So that still holds.