[Predictions] Rank them from the strongest CoA to the weakest

[A v i]

Smoker has Haki feats and considering damaging people with haki coated fists is more impressive than damaging someone with haki coated swords I'd say him sending Vergo flying with Haki punches is more than impressive than cutting someone with full body Haki I mean Zoro couldn't even do what Law did and slice Pica in half. (it's canon fact that defending against sharp objects with haki is harder than it is with blunt hits).

Smoker never managed to hurt an area which was coated with haki so I don't get how exactly it would help you to even claim that he's being impressive here. What is more funny here is that Sanji did similar level damage to Vergo's face without even using haki. What kind of clueless and ridiculous logic it is? How in blue hell sending Vergo flying is more impressive than cutting someone with FBH?

Are you seriously comparing Law's feat with that of Zoro? It was arguably Law's most powerful attack and not mention about how his DF works. On the other hand Zoro's attack was nowhere near being his most powerful and he pulled this feat purely with his haki alone. I don't really get how that sharp objects concept helps you here as both Zoro as well as Law were using swords.

Besides,You just said that defending against blunt attacks is easier than defending against sharp objects which would actually make Smoker's case even worse as he failed to defend against a blunt attack of Vergo.

Pica can use FBH so what? FBH is not a measure of strength in Haki but control in haki, we haven't seen Zoro or Luffy use FBH yet we assume they have better haki than Pica...so how is this any different to assuming Smoker has better haki?

End of the day you're not going to change your opinion due to being on the Zoro hype but the assumptions you are making make no sense at all.

Oda portrayed the point of having FBH as a godly feat for a haki user. Yes, there are people with strong haki but still didn't display FBH. But there isn't anyone one with weak haki but still able to use FBH. So being able to use FBH is impressive as it is.

 

[TheHokage]

You realise he was sending a hakiless Vergo flying with his punches(not covering his face with hardening), yet didn't even do more damage than hakiless DJ Sanji right? How is that impressive? Also, Law cut Vergo with his df majoritarily. Zoro cut Pica with 100% haki

Actually he did equal or more damage considering Vergo was on sprawled out on the floor after the hit, not to mention we have no idea what would have happened if Smoker did hit Vergo in the face with Vergo covering it with haki since it never happened. Yeah but again Pica's Haki is featless in strength less so than Tashigi's.

Where did Oda say this? Also if FBH was that unimpressive, Oda would not have used it to hype Vergo 2times(including one where it was totally unnecessary in Law's fb), he'd not as well have incorporated another fb to explain the importance of the task after Pica's defeat. Pica's haki has been hyped by both Zoro and Pica to completely block mountain cutting ability(and like you said some haki users are weak against normal cutting, so let alone to this extent). If Zoro could have cut him without haki, he'd have. Oda even had to create a fb a chapter later to put that in evidence.

Oda never said this, same way Oda never said Zoro was stronger than Smoker or Zoro has better CoA than Luffy but you still believe this. Also I never said FBH wasn't impressive did I? It certainly is but only in regards to control in haki not strength, Oda gave us enough to show us the level of Vergo's haki by bending steel walls, knocking Law out in a single hit etc...Pica has none of this it's like Tashigi using FBH and we assume she has the same level of Haki as Vergo. Not to mention Zoro hyping Pica's Haki (I can't remember him doing this...like) doesn't mean much considering Zoro had no idea of Pica's Haki level and Pica hyping himself wow...didn't he hype himself to take down an admiral?

Vergo has hype in his CoA from Caesar and Doflamingo...

No...personally I seen the Pica's FBH moment to show us that you can use FBH however if the haki of an opponent is greater then the person using FBH will lose. Nothing indicates that all FBH have the same defensive capabilities.

I know your Smoker bias is strong, but let's be real here

Nope it may seem I'm biased to Smoker because I'm one of the only one's on this forum that doesn't ride Zoro and don't agree with the notion he could low-mid diff Smoker like you believe.


And here's comes all the Zoro fanboys who can't stand anyone else's opinion and believe their opinion must be right the moment he does anything you guys overhype his actions making him seem stronger than he is without looking at the context...You know this is why the Zoro fanbase is the worst in the One Piece fandom...meh doesn't bother me anyway not like your opinions are going to change mine.

Luffy>Smoker>=Zoro>Sanji. Deal with it.

 

[Bogard]

Actually he did equal or more damage considering Vergo was on sprawled out on the floor after the hit, not to mention we have no idea what would have happened if Smoker did hit Vergo in the face with Vergo covering it with haki since it never happened. Yeah but again Pica's Haki is featless in strength less so than Tashigi's.

So it's featless then. And considering the low level of damage he was doing and knowing the strength of Vergo's haki, i'd say he'd have done no damage at all

Oda never said this, same way Oda never said Zoro was stronger than Smoker or Zoro has better CoA than Luffy but you still believe this.

No i'm asking the reason behind your reasoning about the fact the FBH is control and not strength. The fact you're even comparing it to Tashigi makes me not take you seriously when she even has yet to use basic hardening

Not to mention Zoro hyping Pica's Haki (I can't remember him doing this...like) doesn't mean much considering Zoro had no idea of Pica's Haki level and Pica hyping himself wow...didn't he hype himself to take down an admiral?

Zoro actually knew his haki was stronger even before clashing. He has observation after all. Like i've said, if Zoro could have cut Pica without haki, he'd have and the fb later wouldn't have been incorporated to show the importance around it. You're only deluding yourself if you believe otherwise

Vergo has hype in his CoA from Caesar and Doflamingo...

Never disagreed with that. Not sure how it has anything to do with Pica though

No...personally I seen the Pica's FBH moment to show us that you can use FBH however if the haki of an opponent is greater then the person using FBH will lose. Nothing indicates that all FBH have the same defensive capabilities.

And i never said all FBH have the same defensive capabilities. Just that it requires an extreme mastery of the armament

Nope it may seem I'm biased to Smoker because I'm one of the only one's on this forum that doesn't ride Zoro and don't agree with the notion he could low-mid diff Smoker like you believe.

At this point yes Zoro can low-mid diff Smoker, at least by feats. He could replicate Law's full power without using Asura when Law defeated Smoker without going all out. His feats are comparable to Law at this point and even above his captain, but i expect Luffy to show more impressive feats in the fight against Doffy. It's time for you to accept that the worse generation surpassed Smokey

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

So it's featless then. And considering the low level of damage he was doing and knowing the strength of Vergo's haki, i'd say he'd have done no damage at all

No i'm asking the reason behind your reasoning about the fact the FBH is control and not strength. The fact you're even comparing it to Tashigi makes me not take you seriously when she even has yet to use basic hardening



Never disagreed with that. Not sure how it has anything to do with Pica though

And i never said all FBH have the same defensive capabilities. Just that it requires an extreme mastery of the armament

At this point yes Zoro can low-mid diff Smoker, at least by feats. He could replicate Law's full power without using Asura when Law defeated Smoker without going all out. His feats are comparable to Law at this point and even above his captain, but i expect Luffy to show more impressive feats in the fight against Smoker. It's time for you to accept that the worse generation surpassed Smokey

BTW why didn't you add Law?

 

[Bogard]

BTW why didn't you add Law?

Law is incapacitated and i never expected him to fight Doffy til the end. It's time for Luffy to deliver now

 

[TheHokage]

Smoker never managed to hurt an area which was coated with haki so I don't get how exactly it would help you to even claim that he's being impressive here. What is more funny here is that Sanji did similar level damage to Vergo's face without even using haki. What kind of clueless and ridiculous logic it is? How in blue hell sending Vergo flying is more impressive than cutting someone with FBH?

Yeah because it never happened you never know what would have happened? not to mention we have no idea what would have happened if Smoker's Haki clashed with Pica's since it never happened so we don't know if Smoker would have been able to do a similar feat. Sanji used a named attack that had flames around it...I'm pretty sure that attack Sanji used was stronger than a normal haki hit that Luffy could throw out. Because we have an indication of what Vergo was like hitting him was like hitting a steel wall as stated by Sanji we have no idea how strong Pica's haki was.

Are you seriously comparing Law's feat with that of Zoro? It was arguably Law's most powerful attack and not mention about how his DF works. On the other hand Zoro's attack was nowhere near being his most powerful and he pulled this feat purely with his haki alone. I don't really get how that sharp objects concept helps you here as both Zoro as well as Law were using swords.

Yeah.No. Law>Zoro. Law cut through Vergo's Haki which is stronger than Pica's (Featwise) not hype wise which I know a lot of you Zoro fanboys love to use as a basis.

Besides,You just said that defending against blunt attacks is easier than defending against sharp objects which would actually make Smoker's case even worse as he failed to defend against a blunt attack of Vergo.

Not really Vergo's CoA is stronger than Smoker's I've never denied that but Vergo has been shown to block sharp objects with his haki something Pica cannot claim to do. So ultimately again it's baseless to say had Zoro battled Vergo he would have done what he did to Pica to Vergo.

Oda portrayed the point of having FBH as a godly feat for a haki user. Yes, there are people with strong haki but still didn't display FBH. But there isn't anyone one with weak haki but still able to use FBH. So being able to use FBH is impressive as it is.

Stupid logic. We have no idea if Pica was a 'weak' Haki user there's nothing to suggest his Haki was strong in strength. The fact that people with stronger haki haven't shown FBH even more implies FBH is a certain level of control in Haki not strength in it.

Meh I'm done I knew immediately the moment I posted my comment Zoro fans would reply, just accept the fact not everyone believes in the same thing as you and also that not everyone believes Zoro is as great as you do.

 

[TheHokage]

At this point yes Zoro can low-mid diff Smoker, at least by feats. He could replicate Law's full power without using Asura when Law defeated Smoker without going all out. His feats are comparable to Law at this point and even above his captain, but i expect Luffy to show more impressive feats in the fight against Doffy. It's time for you to accept that the worse generation surpassed Smokey

Yep this is why I don't take you seriously and when I try to read your points I just have to skim over them because there so delusional.

Yep lets just all agree then TBogard wants everyone to believe Zoro can low-mid diff Sanji and Smoker, mid diff Luffy and Law, High diff an Admiral and Extreme diff a Yonkou.

If Smoker was as weak as you like to believe he wouldn't be such a recurring antagonist/ally to the strawhats now would he?

I'm done with this debate you're last point just proves why it's useless to reason with Zoro fanboys.

 

[Bogard]

Yep this is why I don't take you seriously and when I try to read your points I just have to skim over them because there so delusional.

Yep lets just all agree then TBogard wants everyone to believe Zoro can low-mid diff Sanji and Smoker, mid diff Luffy and Law, High diff an Admiral and Extreme diff a Yonkou.

If Smoker was as weak as you like to believe he wouldn't be such a recurring antagonist/ally to the strawhats now would he?

I'm done with this debate you're last point just proves why it's useless to reason with Zoro fanboys.

Nope, i actually rate Sanji higher than Smoker now. He performed better against Doflamingo. You realise Smoker got no diffed by a Doflamingo who is about to get his ass kicked by Luffy right? You're the delusional one if you're unable to see the portrayal at this point

 

[A v i]

Yeah.No. Law>Zoro. Law cut through Vergo's Haki which is stronger than Pica's (Featwise) not hype wise which I know a lot of you Zoro fanboys love to use as a basis.

What does it has anything to do with what I just said? Can this point change the fact that Law used his most powerful attack which was greatly aided by his DF where as Zoro barely trying against Pica? No.

Not really Vergo's CoA is stronger than Smoker's I've never denied that but Vergo has been shown to block sharp objects with his haki something Pica cannot claim to do. So ultimately again it's baseless to say had Zoro battled Vergo he would have done what he did to Pica to Vergo.

Did he? If you are talking about him blocking Tashigi's sword then it was really a god like feat. After all he blocked a sword that can cut mountains like butter.

Stupid logic. We have no idea if Pica was a 'weak' Haki user there's nothing to suggest his Haki was strong in strength. The fact that people with stronger haki haven't shown FBH even more implies FBH is a certain level of control in Haki not strength in it.

Meh I'm done I knew immediately the moment I posted my comment Zoro fans would reply, just accept the fact not everyone believes in the same thing as you and also that not everyone believes Zoro is as great as you do.

We don't know if Pica is strong or weak but we do know that Oda hyped it to be a great feat and someone who pulled that feat besides Pica is certainly not weak. By using those 2 logics one can easily say that his haki is a good deal. 2+2 = 4. It's that simple. I'll address your remaining points after a while.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Smoker has Haki feats and considering damaging people with haki coated fists is more impressive than damaging someone with haki coated swords I'd say him sending Vergo flying with Haki punches is more than impressive than cutting someone with full body Haki I mean Zoro couldn't even do what Law did and slice Pica in half. (it's canon fact that defending against sharp objects with haki is harder than it is with blunt hits).

Pica can use FBH so what? FBH is not a measure of strength in Haki but control in haki, we haven't seen Zoro or Luffy use FBH yet we assume they have better haki than Pica...so how is this any different to assuming Smoker has better haki? Because you don't like Smoker and that he is being compared to Zoro.

End of the day you're not going to change your opinion due to being on the Zoro hype but the assumptions you are making make no sense at all.

So doing superficial damage to Vergo by hitting him in areas where he isn't using CoA, which Sanji could do without using CoA, is more impressive than cutting through FBH? We already know that Zoro can use FBH since he has superior CoA than someone who can use FBH, and Luffy hasn't had the chance yet to show if he can or can't. Smoker had the chance to show it during his fight with Vergo, and he never used it. Lol you are such a hypocrite, you Smoker fanboys ride on nothing but hype.

 

[Hexuze]

Meh I'm done I knew immediately the moment I posted my comment Zoro fans would reply, just accept the fact not everyone believes in the same thing as you and also that not everyone believes Zoro is as great as you do.

@bold I agree. I really don't understand why they get so defensive when someone has an opinion of Smoker > Zoro.

Nope, i actually rate Sanji higher than Smoker now. He performed better against Doflamingo. You realise Smoker got no diffed by a Doflamingo who is about to get his ass kicked by Luffy right? You're the delusional one if you're unable to see the portrayal at this point

Ofc he performed better. He was at a better fighting state compared to Smoker, who just fought with both Vergo & Law. Not to mention his weapon was broken.

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

Law is incapacitated and i never expected him to fight Doffy til the end. It's time for Luffy to deliver now

Law still showed better COA than Doffy

 

[Bogard]

Ofc he performed better. He was at a better fighting state compared to Smoker, who just fought with both Vergo & Law. Not to mention his weapon was broken.

He took no superficial damage in the fight against Law. Only Vergo's fight exhausted him, but let's not forget Sanji's meal brought him back at full strength. Fair enough for the jitte, but Smoker is a brawler anyway

Law still showed better COA than Doffy

I agree, but it has nothing to do with what i was saying

 

[Hexuze]

He took no superficial damage in the fight against Law. Only Vergo's fight exhausted him, but let's not forget Sanji's meal brought him back at full strength. Fair enough for the jitte, but Smoker is a brawler anyway

No, it didn't just make him exhausted, he had noticeable injuries. It helped him being exhausted but not the injuries. True but I don't think we can just brush it off like that. It does have kairoseki on it.

 

[silmarill]

So doing superficial damage to Vergo by hitting him in areas where he isn't using CoA, which Sanji could do without using CoA, is more impressive than cutting through FBH? We already know that Zoro can use FBH since he has superior CoA than someone who can use FBH, and Luffy hasn't had the chance yet to show if he can or can't. Smoker had the chance to show it during his fight with Vergo, and he never used it. Lol you are such a hypocrite, you Smoker fanboys ride on nothing but hype.

Since when is that the case?.. So Dofamingo has FBH haki to? Cause naturally his haki > haki from his fodder underling
FBH has nothing to do with the quality of the haki,. We will probably never seen haki on any other place then his swords from Zoro anyway

 

[Aømine]

why does every nice thread end up with the lame zoro fans (not all i mean the few that talk only shit) starting to wank and spam their shit?

 

[BLACKBOLT]

Oda sure did a good job in hyping a guy that could use FBH, like Vergo in Punk Hazard.
Then we get guys that easily defeats VA's in Dressrosa, not to mention a bunch of haki users.
This is the new world, where strong haki users are pretty common.

 

[Bogard]

Since when is that the case?.. So Dofamingo has FBH haki to? Cause naturally his haki > haki from his fodder underling
FBH has nothing to do with the quality of the haki,. We will probably never seen haki on any other place then his swords from Zoro anyway

But why was Vergo hyped for his FBH even in unnecessary situations if it was that unimpressive?

Also how do you think Zoro imbue haki on his swords? He holds one with the teeth and the 2 others in the hands. It's through the hands and teeth that he incorporates haki on the swords, meaning that they act as a medium to transfer his busoshoku haki. There is even a panel where we see his hand turning completely black before passing it to his swords. Zoro will probably never use it on his body in battle, but not because he can't, but because he isn't a brawler but a swordsman

 

[silmarill]

But why was Vergo hyped for his FBH even in unnecessary situations if it was that unimpressive?

Also how do you think Zoro imbue haki on his swords? He holds one with the teeth and the 2 others in the hands. It's through the hands and teeth that he incorporates haki on the swords, meaning that they act as a medium to transfer his busoshoku haki. There is even a panel where we see his hand turning completely black before passing it to his swords. Zoro will probably never use it on his body in battle, but not because he can't, but because he isn't a brawler but a swordsman

It's not unimpressive. I just see don't see any logic in it. So everyone who's haki is stronger than Pica's should be able to do FBH? that's just not rational. So Zoro has FBH but he won't use it because he is a swordsman? Why train for it then? Cause it defenitely would have took intense amount of training to maste FBH, but never use it?That's like excessive baggage.

 

[Bogard]

It's not unimpressive. I just see don't see any logic in it. So everyone who's haki is stronger than Pica's should be able to do FBH? that's just not rational. So Zoro has FBH but he won't use it because he is a swordsman? Why train for it then? Cause it defenitely would have took intense amount of training to maste FBH, but never use it?That's like excessive baggage.

I don't see why not. Luffy for example never used FBH, but he should be able to considering he already showed the capacity to coat a greater area than his normal body size before when coating his busoshoku haki on his gear3 moves(Elephant Gun and the lot) where his arm becomes much bigger than his tiny body. That means that under normal means, if he really wants he can spread it on his entire body. Similarly Zoro's swords when put one on top of the other, while not wider than Zoro, it's roughly 2times taller, and Zoro showed the capacity to coat all 3 completely, so i don't see why he couldn't do it to his body

Also, it's about fighting style. Zoro fights with his swords, not his body. FBH is reserved for brawlers. Besides everytime a FBH user did it, it seemed to bulk their muscles(Vergo and Pica's mass seemingly increased), so it probably makes you slower than usual, which could be another reason why while being impressive offensive and defensively, it can also be unpractical