[Discussion] Existence of a God.

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People are looking at this in the wrong manner. The general simple-minded belief is that God is a fairytale believed by people of inferior intellect whilst science is a superior tool of understanding the universe and the phenomena surrounding it. The truth is, the fathers of both science and religion were superior people of sorts, while most followers of either concept aren't. A lot of the people commenting on science and blindly shoving the word in people's faces like a bunch of Jehova's witnesses can't acquire a deep enough understanding of it to call themselves superior. For those people who just believe what someone with a degree in astronomy and physics says without giving it much thought, science is as much a matter of belief as religion is to some people. Then again, there are people with enough knowledge of it who still believe in God. Why ? Because it's neither intellect nor knowledge that draws the line between science and religion, but rather one of choice. Like you said, it's not certain wether God exists or not, which means that be you atheistic or religious, you simply choose what to believe. You believe that the mechanism of the universe appeared and was set in motion by chance, that's very good, and I believe in someone who made it all happen. Someone who is far beyond my, or anyone else's understanding, just like the borderlines of time and infinity itself. There is a reason why the BigBang Theory is called a theory, and that leaves room for choice as far as believing it goes. Science contains, among others, a number of uncertain theories that have been generally accepted and preffered in the detriment of their religious counterparts because "It would make more sense", and this is due to man's will to build a secular society based on what we call reason. Long story short, atheists believe man can understand anything, I believe a man can only understand what he's meant to understand, and that there are things out there far beyond our intellectual abilities, and that's not because of my shortage of knowledge or intellect, it's because that's what I choose to believe.
 
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From what I see people usually think that a God exists. What I don't understand is why ? The concept of God has never been proven with proof. It's a belief. Belief - confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof:faith. People usually think that since Science doesn't have the answers to everything,then God did it which is The God of Gaps argument,since we don't know why or how something happens whether it be the creation of the universe or morality it must've been God which doesn't make much sense when you really think about it. That's what religion does it doesn't change it's stance and think it's infallible. Unlike Science which has admitted many occasion where it's been wrong.

How can one prove a God exists ? It's something man made it's a primitive concept,it's never been proven it's just a belief it's not anything factual why can't people understand this.

Im sorry to say this but this Thread is for me like an Attack against Religion
There are people believing ingod and some are not but theres no need to say that god makes no sense for some people im also one of them its very provoking
 

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From what I see people usually think that a God exists.
Yup, the majority of mankind believes in god(s), and always have, but sure your opinion matters more than theirs.

What I don't understand is why ? The concept of God has never been proven with proof.
I could say you have all the evidence you need, you just don't make the same conclusion as other people. Why? Because we are different, we all think differently, we accept different reasonings to be valid, and we find different evidence to be convincing.

It's a belief. Belief - confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof:faith.
In which case you can never really be sure just about anything. Science is changing every day, so what you believe to be true today, because that's what science says- may not be true tomorrow.
People usually think that since Science doesn't have the answers to everything,then God did it which is The God of Gaps argument,since we don't know why or how something happens whether it be the creation of the universe or morality it must've been God which doesn't make much sense when you really think about it.
And if we don't know something, you shrug it off by saying it must have been 'chance', science will prove it later. Which means you believe science can explain everything. Also, just because we find out how something works, it tells us nothing about how it came to be: you can demantle a car to find out how it works, but you won't know who constructed it. But in fact, it is still designed- unless you believe a car could pop into existence randomly, or has always been there. In which case, you have to prove that it's either of the latter options: because common sense dictates the infer to design. Then you will probably going to show me how the car can be put together piece by piece, and will triumphantly say 'See, I told you, it can be put together randomly part by part'- you only forget that you yourself were the one who controlled the process. So the same way when you don't know something, it's just as comfortable to say "I dunno, but it was definitely not god, but let's say, chance"

That's what religion does it doesn't change it's stance and think it's infallible. Unlike Science which has admitted many occasion where it's been wrong.
Religions do change, religious leaders do admit sometimes that they're wrong, so I don't know what are you trying to prove here.
 
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God most likely does not exist. Get over and live your life. Stop depending on some magical being to help you through your life and do something.
 

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God most likely does not exist. Get over and live your life. Stop depending on some magical being to help you through your life and do something.

I find your comment amusing.

They are living.
They are doing something as well, other then believing in god.

It's not like they are putting a plate in front of them and saying " God put food on it please" then wait to the point of starvation.

Or don't go out and do what any other person would do.

What else do you want them to do?
 

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I find your comment amusing.

They are living.
They are doing something as well, other then believing in god.

It's not like they are putting a plate in front of them and saying " God put food on it please" then wait to the point of starvation.

Or don't go out and do what any other person would do.

What else do you want them to do?
I don't know what you're trying to get at. You and I both know I did not imply that believing in a God stops a persons functionality completely. I mean it in the terms of people that sit on their asses all day and then have the nerve to pray to God for their lives to get better. Go out and make your life better. Don't wait for your God to make it good for you. Earn your keep in this world.
 

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I have never even considered believing in such a thing as a supreme ruler like a God existing, and it is silly to think that one would exist. I am actually a rational person. Why would I believe in such filth? If I have never seen him, then why should I waste my life believing that he is always there? Why should I have faith in something that has never been shown to help me during my dark and sad times?

It is not up to the "nonbelievers" or atheists to prove that "God" does not exist. It is up to the believers to prove that he does exist. There is a reason why they are "nonbelievers" and atheists in the first place. They do not care enough to believe or try to believe in something that they have never seen, or has never been proven to exist.

Put the books and fairy tails away and look at reality. This is not some game. "God" or "Jesus" or whatever the hell you want to believe in, won't save you. Only YOU can save you. There is no messiah watching over you. If that was the case. Why is there so much bad and wrong in this world? Is he just enjoying the suffering and aggression of the world for his own sick little game? No, if in fact there was a caring loving, God up there in the sky, none of the shit that happens would be happening.

Stop waiting for some God to answer your prayers and actually do something with your life.
 

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I have never even considered believing in such a thing as a supreme ruler like a God existing, and it is silly to think that one would exist. I am actually a rational person. Why would I believe in such filth? If I have never seen him, then why should I waste my life believing that he is always there? Why should I have faith in something that has never been shown to help me during my dark and sad times?

It is not up to the "nonbelievers" or atheists to prove that "God" does not exist. It is up to the believers to prove that he does exist. There is a reason why they are "nonbelievers" and atheists in the first place. They do not care enough to believe or try to believe in something that they have never seen, or has never been proven to exist.

Put the books and fairy tails away and look at reality. This is not some game. "God" or "Jesus" or whatever the hell you want to believe in, won't save you. Only YOU can save you. There is no messiah watching over you. If that was the case. Why is there so much bad and wrong in this world? Is he just enjoying the suffering and aggression of the world for his own sick little game? No, if in fact there was a caring loving, God up there in the sky, none of the shit that happens would be happening.

Stop waiting for some God to answer your prayers and actually do something with your life.

 

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I have never even considered believing in such a thing as a supreme ruler like a God existing, and it is silly to think that one would exist. I am actually a rational person. Why would I believe in such filth? If I have never seen him, then why should I waste my life believing that he is always there? Why should I have faith in something that has never been shown to help me during my dark and sad times?

It is not up to the "nonbelievers" or atheists to prove that "God" does not exist. It is up to the believers to prove that he does exist. There is a reason why they are "nonbelievers" and atheists in the first place. They do not care enough to believe or try to believe in something that they have never seen, or has never been proven to exist.

Put the books and fairy tails away and look at reality. This is not some game. "God" or "Jesus" or whatever the hell you want to believe in, won't save you. Only YOU can save you. There is no messiah watching over you. If that was the case. Why is there so much bad and wrong in this world? Is he just enjoying the suffering and aggression of the world for his own sick little game? No, if in fact there was a caring loving, God up there in the sky, none of the shit that happens would be happening.

Stop waiting for some God to answer your prayers and actually do something with your life.

No, thank you, I will just remain here in cave and pray in expectation of a better life, and of course, thank God for providing me with a free wi-fe connection and bless my ever-lasting laptop battery. We'll ignore the fact that I go to University everyday, speak 4 languages, am socially, romantically, sexually an what have you-ly active, have a moderate knowledge in IT, and practice a sport, but these things are all overshadowed by the fact that I believe in God. This opinion, of course, coming from someone who amassed 12 000 posts in roughly one year of activity. But what do I know about it, I'm a retard believing in fairy tales. It's not wrong to draw spiritual power and encouragement from a "fairy tale", which actually helps in achieving a lot of things, and this is coming from a former anti-social fat turd, which I used to be, when I was an atheist. There is a direct correspondence between the time I found my belief and the time I started changing myself, so is it wrong to assume that I owe this to God ? Maybe I'm wrong, what's it to you and the rest of the butthurt atheists commenting on religion and it's drawbacks ? The point is, whether God really exists or I am simply delusional, the mere idea of God and the expectation of divine help have had a most possitive effect on my psyche, and helped me see things differently, which ultimately, led to who I am, and I am proud of who I am. Of course, I didn't blindly rely on God everytime, I am always open to idleness, and I know I have to play my part. So wether it's a lie that I keep telling myself, or it is true, it still helped, and neither you nor your army of non believers can convince me otherwise. I can't speak for the rest of the religious people, but don't go making claims about how we have no lives, because obviously, your singular image of religiousness is drawn from all those stereotypes that the media keeps feeding you.

I am not very pious, I am by every standard a heavy sinner, but that doesn't mean I'm not religious. And I don't beleive in God because I'm a halfwit lacking knowledge or reason, I believe because that's what I think is right, and you should resoect that. I am merely trying to show you that religion does not necessairly hold people back, that it can have a possitive effect, and that the difference rests solely with the people, and not with what they believe. I am not trying to convince you God is real, so do no mistake this post for propaganda.

Notice that in my post I never claimed God is real, I just said that that's what I believe. So for decency's sake, it would be nice of you to stop trying to pass your conviction off as if it were a general truth. I, as Christian didn't try to instill my beliefs in you, so have some respect for people with different views.
 
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No, thank you, I will just remain here in cave and pray in expectation of a better life, and of course, thank God for providing me with a free wi-fe connection and bless my ever-lasting laptop battery. We'll ignore the fact that I go to University everyday, speak 4 languages, am socially, romantically, sexually an what have you-ly active, have a moderate knowledge in IT, and practice a sport, but these things are all overshadowed by the fact that I believe in God. This opinion, of course, coming from someone who amassed 12 000 posts in roughly one year of activity. But what do I know about it, I'm a retard believing in fairy tales. It's not wrong to draw spiritual power and encouragement from a "fairy tale", which actually helps in achieving a lot of things, and this is coming from a former anti-social fat turd, which I used to be, when I was an atheist. There is a direct correspondence between the time I found my belief and the time I started changing myself, so is it wrong to assume that I owe this to God ? Maybe I'm wrong, what's it to you and the rest of the butthurt atheists commenting on religion and it's drawbacks ? The point is, whether God really exists or I am simply delusional, the mere idea of God and the expectation of divine help have had a most possitive effect on my psyche, and helped me see things differently, which ultimately, led to who I am, and I am proud of who I am. Of course, I didn't blindly rely on God everytime, I am always open to idleness, and I know I have to play my part. So wether it's a lie that I keep telling myself, or it is true, it still helped, and neither you nor your army of non believers can convince me otherwise. I can't speak for the rest of the religious people, but don't go making claims about how we have no lives, because obviously, your singular image of religiousness is drawn from all those stereotypes that the media keeps feeding you.

I am not very pious, I am by every standard a heavy sinner, but that doesn't mean I'm not religious. And I don't beleive in God because I'm a halfwit lacking knowledge or reason, I believe because that's what I think is right, and you should resoect that. I am merely trying to show you that religion does not necessairly hold people back, that it can have a possitive effect, and that the difference rests solely with the people, and not with what they believe. I am not trying to convince you God is real, so do no mistake this post for propaganda.

Notice that in my post I never claimed God is real, I just said that that's what I believe. So for decency's sake, it would be nice of you to stop trying to pass your conviction off as if it were a general truth. I, as Christian didn't try to instill my beliefs in you, so have some respect for people with different views.

Damn you alright bro?:'(
 

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This still alive ? ? Didn't expect this to last so long.
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Let us bow our heads then... Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he will eat for a lifetime. Give a man a religion, he will die praying for a fish.?
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Pick wrong = Hell. Don't follow correctly = Hell.


*Proceeds to neglect and pick out which rules should be followed, ignoring the others*


Seems legit.
 
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