Remind me what exactly is the logic of Itachi fans who say that Yata can deal w/Kamui

[Brünhild]

In a manga it does mean that he can't counter it until shown otherwise. In fact, the whole "Itachi has intelligence" argument is null and void. A lot of opponents have intelligence. Danzo's guards, Fu and Torune were root members, so they had to have intelligence. Yet they failed horribly at figuring out kamui. Yamato has intelligence, but he didn't figure it out when that 8 man squad fought Obito either.

Just because someone has intelligence doesn't mean that you can automatically assume that they would be able to figure it out. That is why you have to wait until further notice.

Furthermore, arsenal is a key factor. Even if Itachi deduces the mechanics behind Kamui, that still doesn't mean that he has something to counter it in his arsenal. It is just like how part 1 Sasuke's sharingan was able to see Lee's kick coming, but that still didn't mean that he was able to dodge it.

Deduction is only half the story. Arsenal is the other half. I am saying that from what we have seen from Itachi's arsenal, he doesn't have anything that counters kamui (even if he does figure out the mechanics).

Plus, people bring up Itachi's intelligence as if Obito is some uneducated 5 year old. Obito is smart too. You act as if Itachi can be the only smart one in the battle.

Are you really comparing Itachi to some fodder ninjas? Itachi is a genius, he figured out Chibaku Tensei's weakeness and negged it with a kunai. And Kamui isn't invincible, Konan nearly killed Obito with explosive tags, he just didn't die because of Izanagi.

And any of other Obito's attacks could be avoided by Itachi. The only problem to him is kamui, but considering that Obito must become tangible to attack and he is able to become intangible for 5 minutes only, it gives Itachi the opportunity to counterattack. Itachi is fast enough for that and his taijutsu is very good too. Not to mention that Obito tricks his opponents and fool them, that's why he easily wins with Kamui, but Itachi is too smart to fall in his tricks. His feats in intelligence are far superior than Obito's. As I said, he is so smart that he quickly realized Chibaku Tensei's weakeness and he also was able to recognize Kakashi's shadow clone, for example, so he could easily prevent Obito's attacks in a close combat.

And considering that Obito must become tangible to teleport, Itachi could use amaterasu as Konan used explosive tags on Obito. Don't come with the excuse "But Obito is immune to amaterasu, he can get rid of this", because he can't do shit while teleporting. Even if he is able to get rid of the flames later, it would cause greater damage than Konan's explosive tags, since amaterasu is obviously quicker and more lethal.

PS: Minato and Konan figured out Kamui weaknesses.
Stop giving Sasuke's feats to Itachi. At the time he was alive, Itachi was far superior in strength and skill.

 

[Beatrix]

Are you really comparing Itachi with some fodder ninjas? Itachi is a genius, he figured out Chibaku Tensei's weakeness and negged it with a kunai. And Kamui isn't invincible, Konan nearly killed Obito with explosive tags, he just didn't die because of Izanagi.

And any of other Obito's attacks could be avoided by Itachi. The only problem to him is kamui, but considering that Obito must become tangible to attack and he is able to become intangible for 5 minutes only, it gives Itachi the opportunity to counterattack. Itachi is fast enough for that and his taijutsu is very good too. Not to mention that Obito tricks his opponents and fool them, that's why he easily wins with Kamui, but Itachi is too smart to fall in his tricks. His feats in intelligence are far superior than Obito's. As I said, he is so smart that he quickly realized Chibaku Tensei's weakeness and he also was able to recognize Kakashi's shadow clone, for example, so he could easily prevent Obito's attacks in a close combat.

And considering that Obito must become tangible to teleport, Itachi could use amaterasu as Konan used explosive tags on Obito. Don't come with the excuse "But Obito is immune to amaterasu, he can get rid of this", because he can't do shit while teleporting. Even if he is able to get rid of the flames later, it would cause greater damage than Konan's explosive tags, since amaterasu is obviously quicker and more lethal.

... what he said.

In a manga it does mean that he can't counter it until shown otherwise. In fact, the whole "Itachi has intelligence" argument is null and void. A lot of opponents have intelligence. Danzo's guards, Fu and Torune were root members, so they had to have intelligence. Yet they failed horribly at figuring out kamui. Yamato has intelligence, but he didn't figure it out when that 8 man squad fought Obito either.

I've never seen Kakashi's mouth in the manga - that doesn't mean he hasn't got one. So "...until shown otherwise," isn't a safe argument either.

You're comparing Itachi's intelligence with Fu and Torune... really? Tenzo? They're not stupid, but they are far from being in the same league as Itachi. Scraping the barrell there, aren't you?

Not sure how you can ignore the facts depicted in the manga of what Itachi is capable of. His feats. His achievements. His success in countering difficult/high ranking shinobi and their techniques.
They all tell me he would figure out the weakness of Kamui and he'd expliot the hell out of it - and he has techniques and mastery in the shinobi arts to effectively counter it.

 

[AmaniPaz]

This thread is basically releasing the floodgates.

 

[To Whatever]

Wait wait wait. It said it renders attacks useless.

Kamui isn't necessarily an attack..

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

I wonder how Yata can deflect Obito's Kamui when there is nothing to deflect. When Obito uses Phasing Kamui he literally turns into nothing and has no physical form nor any traces of his existence

No such thing as totsuka blitz. Totsuka has no speed feats.

So far it has worked on people who couldn't move :leaf:

Are you really comparing Itachi to some fodder ninjas? Itachi is a genius, he figured out Chibaku Tensei's weakeness and negged it with a kunai. And Kamui isn't invincible, Konan nearly killed Obito with explosive tags, he just didn't die because of Izanagi.

And any of other Obito's attacks could be avoided by Itachi. The only problem to him is kamui, but considering that Obito must become tangible to attack and he is able to become intangible for 5 minutes only, it gives Itachi the opportunity to counterattack. Itachi is fast enough for that and his taijutsu is very good too. Not to mention that Obito tricks his opponents and fool them, that's why he easily wins with Kamui, but Itachi is too smart to fall in his tricks. His feats in intelligence are far superior than Obito's. As I said, he is so smart that he quickly realized Chibaku Tensei's weakeness and he also was able to recognize Kakashi's shadow clone, for example, so he could easily prevent Obito's attacks in a close combat.

And considering that Obito must become tangible to teleport, Itachi could use amaterasu as Konan used explosive tags on Obito. Don't come with the excuse "But Obito is immune to amaterasu, he can get rid of this", because he can't do shit while teleporting. Even if he is able to get rid of the flames later, it would cause greater damage than Konan's explosive tags, since amaterasu is obviously quicker and more lethal.

PS: Minato and Konan figured out Kamui weaknesses.
Stop giving Sasuke's feats to Itachi. At the time he was alive, Itachi was far superior in strength and skill.

Why the hell are you using Konan as an example? She designed the battleground especially for Obito. Had they fought somewhere else Obito would rape her quicker

And that bold :leaf:

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

fanfic yata can tank anything with neg diff

 

[Romy9]

Futile attempt at dissing Itachi. Thread was already soloed from the start.

 

[Aznkidd]

Read this
Ty and Lord Gobble Rules

Kamui is not astral jutsu. Just keep dreaming.
It is like a key to open up a door. The eye itself is the key to open a hole to another dimension, like you walk through the door. There is not much you can do.

 

[Ansatsuken]

We dont know if Yata can block Kamui or Kamui can bypass Yata yet, no its actually forever

But DB stated Yata can block astral projection, astral projection got their own dimension like limbo.

The problem here is Yata limit is unkown, that is mean you cant be very sure that Obito kamui can work.

 

[chaos control]

We dont know if Yata can block Kamui or Kamui can bypass Yata yet, no its actually forever

But DB stated Yata can block astral projection, astral projection got their own dimension like limbo.

The problem here is Yata limit is unkown, that is mean you cant be very sure that Obito kamui can work.

Kamui isn't astral (at least not according to the dictionary definition that one guy posted). Besides, even if yata can block "astral jutsus", you have to remember that Obito's phasing is technically not an attack on the thing that he is phasing through. Obito is warping his own body parts to the other dimension (not the yata). Therefore, nothing is attacking the yata and as a result yata has nothing to block.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Kamui isn't astral (at least not according to the dictionary definition that one guy posted). Besides, even if yata can block "astral jutsus", you have to remember that Obito's phasing is technically not an attack on the thing that he is phasing through. Obito is warping his own body parts to the other dimension (not the yata). Therefore, nothing is attacking the yata and as a result yata has nothing to block.

Its hard for me to decide because Yata never shown to interact with astral projection. We dont know if Yata defensive reaction is automatic or not. Logically what you are saying is right but thre is no actual proof to back it up.