Yata Mirror

[Chazzi]

No, that's something I would say when someone changes my name to plebbringer and edits my comment in their quote. What other explanation is there besides hitting a nerve?

Just fixed it for you, no need to be upset.

 

[Jinx Hex]

The shield has a natural flame-like aura on it. The image was portraying movement. He swung his arm forward and the flame curved because it's not the solid part of the shield.

It's obvious to everyone aside for Itachi fanboys coincidentally.

Plz stop making up stuff the shield was already facing forward he did not swing the arm and the shield is not solid

 

[Lightbringer]

Plz stop making up stuff the shield was already facing forward he did not swing the arm and the shield is not solid

So why were there movement lines above and under the arm then?

 

[Jinx Hex]

So why were there movement lines above and under the arm then?

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This is the scan of Yata before already infront


The lines are just the effect of the blast

 

[Lightbringer]

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This is the scan of Yata before already infront


The lines are just the effect of the blast

Those lines are nothing like the ones in the other image. They were movement lines showing that he moved his arm.

Here's a comparison of two images showing bodily movement. You cannot deny that the panel with Yata portrays movement. Susanoo's arm is also extended.

Red=Movement lines

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[Jinx Hex]

Those lines are nothing like the ones in the other image. They were movement lines showing that he moved his arm.

Here's a comparison of two images showing bodily movement. You cannot deny that the panel with Yata portrays movement. Susanoo's arm is also extended.

Red=Movement lines

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Yes those lines show the shield expanding if they were arm movements lines they would be only on and around the arm like in the naruto and sasuke picture since the shield was already blocking Itachi there would be no reason for movement other than this purpose

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Another scan of the growth

 

[Lightbringer]

Yes those lines show the shield expanding if they were arm movements lines they would be only on and around the arm like in the naruto and sasuke picture since the shield was already blocking Itachi there would be no reason for movement other than this purpose

You're literally just ignoring the obvious and making stuff up that hasn't happened in the image.

If the shield was indestructible and it can cover Itachi at all angles, then there would be no reason for Itachi to not try to take down Akatsuki in battle since there would be no means to harm him.

Yet he didn't and even against Kabuto, he managed to get hit. Conclusion.....Yata Mirror can't shield you from all sides.



Here's more undeniable proof.

In this image, we see the flames being pushed back. It's the exact same thing that happened with the explosion except in a different direction.

No shield expansion whatsoever.

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[Jinx Hex]

You're literally just ignoring the obvious and making stuff up that hasn't happened in the image.

How so? Lol

If the shield was indestructible and it can cover Itachi at all angles, then there would be no reason for Itachi to not try to take down Akatsuki in battle since there would be no means to harm him.

Would you read the manga if Itachi soloed it? Probably not. If you read the manga you would know there are multiple things in place to prevent that from happening which makes it more 'interesting' . Illness, Plot ..etc

Here's more undeniable proof.

In this image, we see the flames being pushed back. It's the exact same thing that happened with the explosion except in a different direction.

No shield expansion whatsoever.

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U_U .....Im sure you already knew this but Yata blocks(Paperbombs) and Repels( Sword, Snakes) based on what Itachi wants to do. The attack with the snakes repelled the heads there was no need to enlarge it cause the shield covered the attack radius.

Yet he didn't and even against Kabuto, he managed to get hit. Conclusion.....Yata Mirror can't shield you from all sides.

He stated at the start of the fight he wasn't trying to kill Kabuto notice neither even went past v3. And besides he knew he was an edo at the time and could afford to take hits and besides he was focused on saving Sasuke

^ hardly the point

 

[Lightbringer]

How so? Lol



Would you read the manga if Itachi soloed it? Probably not. If you read the manga you would know there are multiple things in place to prevent that from happening which makes it more 'interesting' . Illness, Plot ..etc





U_U .....Im sure you already knew this but Yata blocks(Paperbombs) and Repels( Sword, Snakes) based on what Itachi wants to do. The attack with the snakes repelled the heads there was no need to enlarge it cause the shield covered the attack radius.



He stated at the start of the fight he wasn't trying to kill Kabuto notice neither even went past v3. And besides he knew he was an edo at the time and could afford to take hits and besides he was focused on saving Sasuke

^ hardly the point

Itachi didn't solo Akatsuki because he couldn't. There would be absolutely no point in Kishi introducing an "invincible" character only to act as a lapdog to Akatsuki, yet secretly be their enemy and trying to steal intel when he is capable of defeating them single-handed.

It's not a matter of "so the manga is more interesting", it's just illogical for it to be that way. In reality, Itachi is not that powerful and Yata Mirror is not an omnidirectional shield.....otherwise every character in the series would be after Yata Mirror over becoming the Juubi Jinchuriki.

 

[Lightbringer]

His susano'o is invincible not his stamina, so taking on Akatsuki is pretty dumb

Also Yata takes the shape necessary to block the attack - that is stated multiple times

I do not see what you are arguing here

It never.....never stated that Yata Mirror can change it's shape....NEVER!

Changing properties does not mean changing shape or having the capability of overlapping the user.

If that was the case, then there would be no reason for it be in the shape a shield and there would be no reason for Itachi not to having it cover his body at all times.

Fact is, it was never shown expanding nor covering his entire Susanoo.

 

[Jinx Hex]

Itachi didn't solo Akatsuki because he couldn't. There would be absolutely no point in Kishi introducing an "invincible" character only to act as a lapdog to Akatsuki, yet secretly be their enemy and trying to steal intel when he is capable of defeating them single-handed.

The point I was trying to make is Itachi with v4 Susanoo up is virtually invincible in life he couldn't hold it for long because of illness. He can/could beat them 1 on 1 but not together. And that was not the mission he was given

It's not a matter of "so the manga is more interesting", it's just illogical for it to be that way. In reality, Itachi is not that powerful and Yata Mirror is not an omnidirectional shield.....otherwise every character in the series would be after Yata Mirror over becoming the Juubi Jinchuriki.

Yata is not omnidirectional it protects all attacks on his Susanoo but it can not block the ones from inside and under. Yata and totsuka are fabled sage spirit weapons which no one thought were real from the start. Only Orochimaru and BZ seemed to be aware of them. Jinchuriki and Tailed beasts are something that is comment knowledge to Shinobi as fact that they exist which is why they are sought

 

[Lightbringer]

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noun, plural properties.

an essential or distinctive attribute or quality of a thing:
the chemical and physical properties of an element.

Shape is a property, aka it changes shape.

If the attack was coming from the back it would "change its property to render the attack ineffective" aka block it from the rear

That's an unvalidated assumption. There are countless things that could mean "properties", like altering its properties to counter the nature of the Jutsu it's blocking.

Secondly, no such thing was shown in the manga. There is no proof that Yata Mirror is capable of such thing as changing its shape.

Thirdly, the databook has been wrong before and even contradictory.

 

[Lightbringer]

The point I was trying to make is Itachi with v4 Susanoo up is virtually invincible in life he couldn't hold it for long because of illness. He can/could beat them 1 on 1 but not together. And that was not the mission he was given



Yata is not omnidirectional it protects all attacks on his Susanoo but it can not block the ones from inside and under. Yata and totsuka are fabled sage spirit weapons which no one thought were real from the start. Only Orochimaru and BZ seemed to be aware of them. Jinchuriki and Tailed beasts are something that is comment knowledge to Shinobi as fact that they exist which is why they are sought

So if BZ knew about it, then why didn't Kaguya, Madara, or Obito not care to obtain it? They would have become unstoppable.

Also if Itachi can defeat anyone 1v1, then why didn't he attempt to defeat Obito when he was alone with him?

Why didn't he kill Kisame and say that he died in battle against the enemy? The answer: it's risky and there's no guarantee he could win because Yata Mirror cannot protect him from all sides.

 

[Jinx Hex]

So if BZ knew about it, then why didn't Kaguya, Madara, or Obito not care to obtain it? They would have become unstoppable.

Itachi had them since they are sage tools hags had them before. We aren't given information on how they are obtained so I can't say. All we know is they are linked to Itachi's susanoo

Also if Itachi can defeat anyone 1v1, then why didn't he attempt to defeat Obito when he was alone with him?

Why didn't he kill Kisame and say that he died in battle against the enemy? The answer: it's risky and there's no guarantee he could win because Yata Mirror cannot protect him from all sides.

His mission was intel not to kill the akatsuki. What enemy would he say kisame died against when they are partners and there together all the time lol. I agree it wouldn't be easy but he could do it. Yata isn't omnidirectional because it doesn't guard the bottom

 

[Lightbringer]

Itachi had them since they are sage tools hags had them before. We aren't given information on how they are obtained so I can't say. All we know is they are linked to Itachi's susanoo



His mission was intel not to kill the akatsuki. What enemy would he say kisame died against when they are partners and there together all the time lol. I agree it wouldn't be easy but he could do it. Yata isn't omnidirectional because it doesn't guard the bottom

He could say Kisame died when they battled other enemies.....What do you think Kakuzu said when he killed his partners?

Where was it stated that Yata Mirror was a sage tool? Again, you're making things up.

 

[Lightbringer]

There is no assumption. Shape is a ****ing property of an object.

If you do not understand the definition, well then that is your problem

I do not feel it necessary to repost scans that have already been shown here.

noun, plural properties.

an essential or distinctive attribute or quality of a thing:

Shape is a distinctive attribute

It is an assumption because it was never shown to do so in the manga. It remained a shield and the only thing it ever blocked was Sasuke's sword and kunai.....that's it.

It was stated that Madara can break anything in the universe

It was stated that there is no defense against Kamui

It was stated that the Kabutowari can break through any defense

It was also stated that Indra has the strength to destroy any barrier.


Please, prove to me that the claims about Yata Mirror are any more true than the ones I've listed. Again, it's all assumption and there is no evidence that Yata Mirror can change its form nor protect itself against any conceivable attack.

 

[Jinx Hex]

He could say Kisame died when they battled other enemies.....What do you think Kakuzu said when he killed his partners?

I think it was common knowledge kakuzu killed his partners cause of his temper but someone as strong as kisame idk lel.

Where was it stated that Yata Mirror was a sage tool? Again, you're making things up.

MB Spirit weapons but the main point is they have to come from somewhere like Orochimaru sword anything regarding there origins is speculation


-Back to the original topic the mirror will block all attacks on the susanoo because it is linked to it and thats what its guarding

 

[-immortal-]

Any shinobi fast enough can get behind and blitz it open.

 

[redman476]

Was em waiting for someone to say this

 

[Rikudou11]

itachi couldnt fly. So kaguya can send him to lava or sea of acid, he just falls into lava/sea of acid -> yata mirror mights protect him but itachi's chakra will running out, yata mirror will disappear and he dies ... not hard to kill him