Remind me what exactly is the logic of Itachi fans who say that Yata can deal w/Kamui

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I see people say that Itachi's susanoo some how has some kind of counter for Kamui. Please tell me what exactly that is, because here is how I see it:

Let's say that Itachi is in susanoo and has totsuka and yata up and ready to go. Obito is facing off with this. Itachi tries to slash Obito with totsuka. Obito phases through it and runs towards Itachi's susanoo.

Itachi: (in thought) "He's coming at me. I'll block him with yata."

Obito phases through yata and through the front of Itachi's susanoo and manages to get inside of the susanoo. He impales Itachi with wood style cutting technique (which Obito can use while intangible by the way) and battle over.

Alternate ending:

Itachi: (in thought) "He's coming at me. I'll block him with yata."

Obito just uses long range kamui and warps away totsuka and yata. Remember that spiritual weapons or not, they are still objects. Objects can be moved and objects can be warped.


Alternate ending:

Itachi: (in thought) "He's coming at me. I'll block him with yata."

Obito goes into perfect susanoo (or even just legged susanoo for that matter) and jumps over Itachi's susanoo and then sword slashes Itachi's susanoo in the back (Itachi fans seem to forget that yata does not cover Itachi's back). Also, Kamui shuriken warps away yata.


Now to combat the counter that I think Itachi fans use:

Itachi fan: "Obito's intangibility only lasts for 5 minutes, so Itachi can just hold the sword inside of Obito until the time limit runs out."

Counter: Obito can also phase underground where totsuka wouldn't be able to reach. He can also jump a high enough distance in the air where totsuka would not reach him. Furthermore, who is to say that Obito would not be fast enough to simply get out of the sword as Itachi tries to have the sword follow him? After all, totsuka has no speed feats (despite your belief in totsuka blitz). Orochimaru was literally pinned down to Sasuke's shoulder. Therefore Orochimaru couldn't even really move anywhere. Sure the snakes could wiggle their heads around, but they were still confined to the general vicinity due to being stuck in Sasuke's shoulder. Itachi was basically slashing at an almost stagnant target. That is not a speed feat. As for Nagato, Itachi went in for the slash while smoke and debris from the explosion was still floating around and blocking Nagato's view. Therefore, Nagato could not even know to dodge because his vision was blocked when Itachi took out the sword. Thus, it was not a speed feat. It was intelligence of Itachi to attack while his vision was blocked, but it was not a speed feat. It would have only been a speed feat if nothing was blocking Nagato's vision or restricting his movements and Itachi just straight out blitzed him with Nagato both seeing it coming and trying to dodge.

Now Itachi fans, please tell me your logic.
 

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I know. Simply amazing, right?!

First, let's take a look at the definition of neutralize.

Neutralize definition:
neutralize
ˈnjuːtrəlʌɪz/Submit
verb
make (something) ineffective by applying an opposite force or effect.
"impatience at his frailty began to neutralize her fear"
synonyms: counteract, offset, counterbalance, balance (out), counterpoise, countervail, compensate for, make up for; More
make (an acidic or alkaline substance) chemically neutral.
"splashes on skin should be neutralized immediately"
disarm (a bomb or similar weapon).
"120 bombs were neutralized"
"Make something ineffective." Now, what has those properties? That's right! The Yata Mirror!
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The Yata Mirror renders any attack ineffective. Now, let's take a look at that definition!

Ineffective definition:
ineffective
ɪnɪˈfɛktɪv/Submit
adjective
not producing any significant or desired effect.
"the legal sanctions against oil spills are virtually ineffective"
synonyms: unsuccessful, non-successful, unproductive, fruitless, profitless, unprofitable, abortive, failed, futile, purposeless, worthless, useless, ineffectual, inefficient, inefficacious, inadequate, vain, unavailing, to no effect; More

Now, you might say that Omnyoudon is the neutralizer. You would only be partially correct. Omnyoudon only neutralizes Ninjutsu, but any Ninjutsu enforced with Senjutsu is unable to be neutralized.
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The Yata Mirror however can render anything ineffective. In other words; neutralize ANYTHING, even when in the face of A GOD'S POWER.
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Kamui does not work. Kamui's most notable feat is intangibility, or being intangible.

Intangible definition:
intangible
intangible
ɪnˈtan(d)ʒɪb(ə)l/Submit
adjective
1.
unable to be touched; not having physical presence.
"the moonlight made things seem intangible"
synonyms: impalpable, untouchable, imperceptible to the touch, non-physical, bodiless, incorporeal, unembodied, disembodied, abstract, invisible; More
antonyms: tangible
difficult or impossible to define or understand; vague and abstract.
"the rose symbolized something intangible about their relationship"
synonyms: indefinable, indescribable, inexpressible, nameless; More
(of an asset or benefit) not constituting or represented by a physical object and of a value not precisely measurable.
"intangible business property like patents"
noun
noun: intangible; plural noun: intangibles
1.
an intangible thing.
"intangibles like self-confidence and responsibility"

Astral definition:
astral
ˈastr(ə)l/Submit
adjective
relating to or resembling the stars.
"astral navigation"
relating to a supposed non-physical realm of existence to which various psychic and paranormal phenomena are ascribed, and in which the physical human body is said to have a counterpart.
"spiritual beings from the astral plane"

Astral things DO NOT work on the Yata Mirror. Kamui is an astral Jutsu. Yata neutralizes Kamui.

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Oh lord, Demonic Blaze soloed your thread real quick.
 

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Itachi fans logic:

[video=youtube;rVHxgNsBbqU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVHxgNsBbqU[/video]
 

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Every jutsu has a weakeness.

What amuses me is Obito fans - and those who hate on Itachi - seem to think that Itachi is not mentally sufficient to figure that sh*t out.
It's okay for Naruto and Kakashi to do that, and use it against Obito - as seen in canon. But not Itachi?

I call bullsh*t.
 

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Because Yata repels everything neg diff fool
 

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Every jutsu has a weakeness.

What amuses me is Obito fans - and those who hate on Itachi - seem to think that Itachi is not mentally sufficient to figure that sh*t out.
It's okay for Naruto and Kakashi to do that, and use it against Obito - as seen in canon. But not Itachi?

I call bullsh*t.

It is not enough just to figure it out. You have to actually be able to counter it. Kakashi and Naruto were only able to figure it out in the first place because Kakashi himself had kamui. Itachi doesn't have kamui, nor does he have a speedy space time jutsu like ftg to do what Minato did, nor does he have a jutsu that can make 5 minutes of explosion like Konan did. He couldn't counter it.

Because Yata repels everything neg diff fool

You can't repel something that is not physical. Kamui is not a physical thing that can be repelled. A shuriken can be repelled. A blast can be repelled. Space time curvature can not be repelled.


It was shown through Kakashi (who was using Obito's eyes). Clearly Obito's eyes can manifest it. Even without rikudou chakara, Obito can still do it because you don't actually need rikudou chakara to manifest it. Madara and Sasuke were able to use PS with just EMS before awakening rinnegan.
 
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It was shown through Kakashi (who was using Obito's eyes). Clearly Obito's eyes can manifest it. Even without rikudou chakara, Obito can still do it because you don't actually need rikudou chakara to manifest it. Madara and Sasuke were able to use PS with just EMS before awakening rinnegan.

yeah Obito will Pull PS using his MS without Rikudo chakra
Okay :|
 

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It was shown through Kakashi (who was using Obito's eyes). Clearly Obito's eyes can manifest it. Even without rikudou chakara, Obito can still do it because you don't actually need rikudou chakara to manifest it. Madara and Sasuke were able to use PS with just EMS before awakening rinnegan.

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Alternate ending :

Itachi totsuka blitzes
 

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We should all know by now that old data books have been rendered inaccurate (ie. "You need tsukuyomi and amaterasu to get susanoo", "Hiruzen was the strongest hokage", "Kamui is unique to Kakashi", etc...)

Furthermore, it says it makes "attacks" ineffective. Warping it away with Kamui counts as moving the yata, not attacking it. Anything can be moved. Plus, Yata still doesn't cover Itachi's back. You can't block something that is not physical. That databook scan doesn't even mention that whole astral crap you were talking about. You also clearly misread the definition of astral because it says "non physical realm of existence to which various psychic and paranormal phenomena are ascribed". Kamui doesn't generate any psychic or paranormal effects and is therefore not astral.

Plus, Kamui isn't actually astral intangibility. It is spacetime travel (sending his body parts to another dimension), which once again falls under the category of movement, not some deflectable attack. In addition, Obito's phasing is actually intrinsic movement. He is moving his own body parts, not yata. Yata can't stop Obito from moving his own body parts.
 

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yeah Obito will Pull PS using his MS without Rikudo chakra
Okay :|

Too bad Obito doesn't even have that.

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Madara and Sasuke did it without rikudou chakara. Obito's chakara levels have been shown to be on par with pre-jinchuuriki Madara's. He was able to summon/control the gedou mazou, control 7 bijuus, shoot Madara level fire styles, help control the juubi and still fight with Naruto, Kakashi and Guy and the shinobi alliance all in one day. He has enough chakara to manifest perfect susanoo.
 
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