Not gonna lie I see Kisame winning more than any other but at the same time, I think he wins cuz of clones.
Deidara? Not a chance even with C4 when we have the fact that he can see these tiny things with his eyes given the fact that they contain Chakra. Even so, he has Gentle fist chakra within him which would completely deactivate and destroy those things when he takes it in. C3 gets countered via Vacuum palm since it pushes it back before it explodes catching Deidara by chance.
Don't know about Sasori abilities but one thing I'm sure of is he evades Iron sand with his reflexes as well as Vacuum Palm to completely wreck the puppets. Poison gets blown away like her Sakura blew the fumes
No because if I'm to use stats of the DB, then Sasuke is weaker than Deidara who he actually defeated without intel. Debate goes by feats and portrayal while nothing really puts Hiashi below these members when he's the head of a clan noted to be quite powerful and experienced. Either way, that's not what we are here to discuss...It's feats since Kisshi drew those panels. Any reason why Hiashi can't beat these people?
He even killed the Cloud village leader quickly and with ease
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I need some good reasons why I can't debate against Top tier opponent like this with another powerful one. Good reasons btw.
You don't have to force the trash talking Lol it will come naturally
Hiashi's organ focused gentle fist is tanked. He can stop or mess up any organs he wants Hidan still lives on. He literally can continue functioning despite any wound (besides you know, limb removal) So what does Hiashi do? Sure rotation keeps him alive for a while. But the second he goes up close for a attack on Hidans organs and lets his guard down. He gets caught by Hidans scythe...He'd be at a too close a range to avoid it completely so at the least blood would be extracted and its gg
Obito summons Kurama and its gg. Kurama's Claw>Hiashi and if you restrict Kurama, Juubi Size Katon would finish him. Hiashi needed Kurama's Chakra to survive it back in the war
And does what? when he's completely wrecked? His organs are affected so he's not going to be functioning which leaves him for Decapitation.
So what does Hiashi do? Sure rotation keeps him alive for a while. But the second he goes up close for a attack on Hidans organs and lets his guard down. He gets caught by Hidans scythe
Except for the fact that he has Vacuum Palm which contains Gentle fist. Except for the fact that if that hits Hidan, he's blown of his feet and potentially separated from his weapon. Either way, he'll be put to the ground leaving an opening for Hiashi to attack him and shut his chakra points or even pass Jyuuken into him.
Not to mention if he rotates, Hidan would for sure be separated from his scythe...Leaving him open for a finisher.
...He'd be at a too close a range to avoid it completely so at the least blood would be extracted and its gg
Obito summons Kurama and its gg. Kurama's Claw>Hiashi and if you restrict Kurama, Juubi Size Katon would finish him. Hiashi needed Kurama's Chakra to survive it back in the war
Konan , I'm not sure of, due to her seemingly being immune to normal taijutsu. Though, Gentle fist isn't a normal taijutsu, so I'm not really sure, but I'll still say Hiashi, given that Obito was still able to pierce her, meaning her intangibility isn't perfect.
Itachi wins.
Kisame wins.
Tobi/Obito loses. Without Kamui, I don't see what he can really do, unless someone wants to enlighten me.
No defence against Elemental Attacks,sure Rotation can but for how long?
Konan , I'm not sure of, due to her seemingly being immune to normal taijutsu. Though, Gentle fist isn't a normal taijutsu, so I'm not really sure, but I'll still say Hiashi, given that Obito was still able to pierce her, meaning her intangibility isn't perfect.
Rotation is all that's needed, given this technique doesn't simply block, it also repels the attack back at the user [ei, the Heart monsters], which could potentially kill them altogether. And Asking "how long' is irrelevant, since the monsters themselves can't keep up their attacks forever. Not to mention acting out of a rotation has NEVER been presented as an issue for any Hyuga.
And, if we are to assume he also has Twin Lion fists, he should be able to absorb those attacks.
That's assuming he doesn't die first. No shit on Obito, but Kamui is a huge part of his strength, as even Shino was about to kill him until he resorted to using Kamui. So I can't really say I see Obito out lasting him long enough to win, especially not with the potential of him getting crippled at every turn
How many organs do you think were shredded and ripped through with this single attack. Here let me get you something that should clearly prove educational to you
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Not even to mention he's literally impaled his heart and shredded that shit without the littlest hint of its implications.
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When organs are wrecked he'll be just fine So yeah he'll be functioning fine.
Except for the fact that he has Vacuum Palm which contains Gentle fist. Except for the fact that if that hits Hidan, he's blown of his feet and potentially separated from his weapon
Its rotation without the spinning. You still need to send out chakra, something that he can't do within a second which is all Hidan needs to land a blow.
Also, Gentle fist can be used to potentially alter the body bones
Hidan again has lived with a wrecked spinal chord and even was able to move after a jutsu that raises air pressure to the extreme (Internally crushing you and your bones) Even so that probably had something to do with altering the Kyubi cloaks chakra somehow seeing as Neji had one.
No because if I'm to use stats of the DB, then Sasuke is weaker than Deidara who he actually defeated without intel. Debate goes by feats and portrayal while nothing really puts Hiashi below these members when he's the head of a clan noted to be quite powerful and experienced. Either way, that's not what we are here to discuss...It's feats since Kisshi drew those panels. Any reason why Hiashi can't beat these people?
He even killed the Cloud village leader quickly and with ease
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I need some good reasons why I can't debate against Top tier opponent like this with another powerful one. Good reasons btw.
Deidara overall is the stronger person. Sasuke had his lightning that counteracted with him. Plus, if you look at the gap, its by .5 ......... gap between Hiashi and others is pretty big.
Their fight was similar to Enel vs Luffy. Enel overall is the stronger person, but luffy was just the wrong person for him to fight against.
Kakashi > Hiashi in ninjutsu
Kakashi > Hiashi in genjutsu
Kakashi < Hiashi in taijutsu
Kakashi > Hiashi in intelligence
Kakashi = Hiashi in strength/Speed
Hiashi > Kakashi in stamina
Kakashi = strongest jounin of Konoha
Hiashi is also a jounin. Never once in the manga was Hiashi considered superior to KAkashi even in part 1.
What Kakashi lacks in taijutsu, he makes up in ninjutsu and genjutsu , and superior intelligence.
Deidara overall is the stronger person. Sasuke had his lightning that counteracted with him. Plus, if you look at the gap, its by .5 ......... gap between Hiashi and others is pretty big.
Their fight was similar to Enel vs Luffy. Enel overall is the stronger person, but luffy was just the wrong person for him to fight against.
Kakashi > Hiashi in ninjutsu
Kakashi > Hiashi in genjutsu
Kakashi < Hiashi in taijutsu
Kakashi > Hiashi in intelligence
Kakashi = Hiashi in strength/Speed
Hiashi > Kakashi in stamina
Kakashi = strongest jounin of Konoha
Hiashi is also a jounin. Never once in the manga was Hiashi considered superior to KAkashi even in part 1.
What Kakashi lacks in taijutsu, he makes up in ninjutsu and genjutsu , and superior intelligence.
Konan , I'm not sure of, due to her seemingly being immune to normal taijutsu. Though, Gentle fist isn't a normal taijutsu, so I'm not really sure, but I'll still say Hiashi, given that Obito was still able to pierce her, meaning her intangibility isn't perfect.
Itachi wins.
Kisame wins.
Tobi/Obito loses. Without Kamui, I don't see what he can really do, unless someone wants to enlighten me.
Once again, use your sense...His chakra points are shut and his stamina is completely drained to the point where he can't stand let alone fight without the use of chakra . Do you even read the Manga?
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A child would have understood this by now.
My man do you read manga?
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How many organs do you think were shredded and ripped through with this single attack. Here let me get you something that should clearly prove educational to you
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Not even to mention he's literally impaled his heart and shredded that shit without the littlest hint of its implications.
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When organs are wrecked he'll be just fine So yeah he'll be functioning fine.
Irrelevant...When his points are shut, he's put down. As simple as that...Naruto could no longer fight and was in a far worse condition despite not being killed. Same goes for Hinata..When your points are shut and Jyuuken is inserted into your system, you're no longer fresh as it heavily damages you to the point where you can barely move even though you're not dead.
Gentle fist damages and weakens the inside like I've shown and when points are hit, there's no way he'll still be fighting or else Naruto would have not been that weak even without chakra.
Irrelevant since when he's sent flying, he'll still be left opened for an attack. Whether it stays with him or not, he'll be sent flying and definitely won't be attacking while sent to the ground. Hiashi capitalizes on that.
All of which do nothing? Again he's a freak of nature his curse doesn't even have anything to do with chakra.
Its rotation without the spinning. You still need to send out chakra, something that he can't do within a second which is all Hidan needs to land a blow.
It's rotation without a spin? Irrelevant..Refer to my strategy where Vacuum palm puts on the ground and he's left opened for hits.
Hidan again has lived with a wrecked spinal chord and even was able to move after a jutsu that raises air pressure to the extreme (Internally crushing you and your bones) Even so that probably had something to do with altering the Kyubi cloaks chakra somehow seeing as Neji had one.
@Bold Nonsense as usual...That's Hinata and if it had to do with the KCC, why didn't Naruto just do what she did since he was the one giving out the cloak? What the heck are you saying with the altering the cloak? Once again, drop relevant points and she outright "Jyuuken" which shows it had to do with Gentle fist..Debating with you is a waste of one's time as you obviously don't read scans properly. Don't reply to me if you're not making sense.
Hidan has lived but only a third grader would think he'll be functioning well against Hiashi after his point are demolished.
Deidara overall is the stronger person. Sasuke had his lightning that counteracted with him. Plus, if you look at the gap, its by .5 ......... gap between Hiashi and others is pretty big.
Doesn't matter since you brought stats here...The bold should tell you why stats don't matter
The gap is by .5 and the gap between Sasuke and Hiashi is 1.5 so that logic doesn't work. Sausage and Hidan both have 31.5 but are you going to say Hidan is equal to Sasuke? You better not think that Lol.
The gap between Naruto and Kakuzu is almost by 10 and yet Base Naruto beat Kakuzu..Kakashi has higher stats that Kakuzu and yet was struggling and nearly lost with support.
Is this supposed to be a point to why he can't defend himself? Is Rotation Juubi sized? Didn't Hiashi and Neji use Rotation to deflect the Juubi's arm despite it being bigger that the 2
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? Didn't Obito use a TBB to protect himself from a Biijudama exploding despite it being smaller that it? Your point doesn't stand.
As for the bold, why was Killer B using Naruto's chakra to defend himself when he had his own cloak
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(Middle panel) ? That's very irrelevant unless you want to say to me that Killer B's cloak can't defend against the fire.
