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Why tf should it say something so blatantly obvious? How the hell else do you think it destroys organs ? How does Gentle fist destroy organs? Through inserting chakra. Air palm was said to have the same features as Gentle Fist. It's essentiall nothing more than a ranged gentle fist. I can't believe I'm even arguing this.
Did we see what happened to Kisame's insides? No.
Reread the chapter, he was flown further than that, and he also used Samehada to slow himself down. When you consider this and how damn heavy Kisame alone is, it's a good testimony to the force behind Neji's air palm. Now, Hiashi's far superior Air Wall Palm? Is Kakuzu really gonna tank that ? Well, maybe in your dreams.
lml.... I can't argue with you if you're going to go all ignorant on me.
Why do you think Samehada didn't absorb it? Its compressed air pressure... DB would have stated it used chakra if it did...just like it does with every NINJUTSU
Lol we don't need to see his insides? If it dealt damage then there should of been visible effects.
Air Wall < Diamond skin U_U
Only organ Kakuzu contains is a heart anyways...which will be guarded by near infinite threads. But again Domu wins
I'm losing my debater edge here so might as well call it a day
That's completely false. There is no way an airpalm has the same focus as closing a point with your fingers in close range. Yes it will damage organs but that's it. The air carries Jyuuken chakra and hits the opponent, internally targeting whatever the air hits inside but definitely to a lesser extent than actually hitting something up close with gentle fist.
This is just going based off the DB, if we were actually using feats from the manga it hardly affects the body aside from a push.
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>Calls me ignorant
>Asks why Samehada didn't absorb it despite said sword not being in Kisame's grasp at the time Air Palm was used on him.
>Calls me ignorant
>Classifies Air Palm as a Ninjutsu technique
>Calls me ignorant
>Fails to understand that no matter how hard an opponent's exterior body may be, Gentle fist strikes, including Air Palm, will bypass any and all such defenses and instead attack the inner organs.
>Calls me ignorant
>Couldn't remember that Hiashi blasted the Juubi arm without Naruto's help
Never said it can close chakra points. The databook says it has the same aspects as gentle fist, and the aspects of gentle fist are damaging organs and destroying chakra. As per what the databook said, this would mean that Air Palm would have these two features as well.
Damn, you need to teach me how to be so cool :|
Seriously though, what is "just stop' supposed to mean? What? Am I supposed to feel shame? You posting a filler moment of someone who's not Hiashi nor on Hiashi's level getting beaten by someone who's not Kakuzu nor on Kakuzu's level is somehow supposed to be relevant to this thread? Really? Really? God damn, come up with better posts, a'ight ? Lol
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Lml I said it wasn't a ninjutsu if it were the DB would have stated that chakra was involved yet it didn't.
No gets tanked by Domu Compressed air isn't doing shit.
The juubi arm feat isn't even that relevant....it was barely moved and again it was merely blowing something back Lol
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Wow, I never thought the day would come where I'd be debating something as obvious as this. Air Palm doesn't use chakra ? Then how the F is it shot out of the user's hands? Lol
Are you being stupid on purpose ?
Let me spell this out for you again.
Gentle Fist damages organs via chakra. Right?
Air palm has the same aspects/features as Gentle Fist. Right ?
Air palm is a variant of Gentle Fist. Right ?
Gentle Fist's aspects are damaging organs and destroying chakra. Right?
Therefore, Air Palm's aspects are damaging organs and destroying chakra. Right?
That means, Air Palm uses chakra.
So no, Domu isn't tanking Air Palms. Try something else, please Lol
and if you're gonna continue to deny this like a tard, then give me an explanation of Air Palm yourself.
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Pushing something that's over 8 times larger than a V3 Susnao'O several meters into the sky apparently means nothing to this guy... oookay then .... lmao
Several aspects could very easily mean that it merely takes byakugan to utilize or that its a hyuuga only technique
Again if it used chakra DB would of stated so
No its just that a force isn't touching Domu
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No, it's usage of Byakugan was mentioned elsewhere in the page, so assuming it's speaking of such would be redundant. Likewise, assuming the "same aspects" it's referring to is about it being a Hyuga is again redundant due to it already being classified as a Kekkei Genkai Taijutsu elsewhere on the page. So no, the same aspects the page is referring to is logically the ability to destroy chakra and damage organs through chakra.
Nice try, but that's not even a real argument, when many other jutsus don't mention using chakra. Want to know why? Because It's common sense for any person.
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Except its classified as a taijutsu....... So no if it were using chakra the DB would have definitely stated something about it. Its similar to gentle fist because it targets the organs but through shockwaves only, no chakra is involved as it is merely compressed air.
Just accept that fact
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Love it, how you ignore more than half of my post.
How the hell do you think the air is compressed and shot? With chakra. smh
Kaguya's Eight Gods Vacuum Attack is also ample evidence that this attack uses chakra to damage the organs
It's said that Kaguya releases chakra from her palms
Then it's mentioned how this technique is similar to the Air Palm attack of the Hyuga, only noting the gulf in power as the only difference, and not whether or not it uses chakra.
Using this as evidence, and the other bits I presented previously in the thread, which you've either ignored or denied, it's more than obvious that Air palm uses ranged chakra to damage an opponents organs.
The only thing that this proves is that if the air palm actually did use chakra it would state it like it did just there (where did you get that btw) the fact that it doesn't should clearly prove my point.
Being similar doesn't mean that it has to use chakra it means that it causes similar damage through similar methods Lol
Also its a kekkei mora which is unique to Kaguya only.... Lol
-Edit So I read the description on NW for the jutsu Hiashi uses which is totally different to the air palm. It does state that it sends a wave of chakra directed at the opponent HOWEVER it states nothing about targeting vital spots and organs as the normal air palm does and due to its name and nature of sending a wave instead of pin point attacks I highly doubt it does damage to any vitals its a wall of chakra nothing more nothing less.
Domu tanks it, also don't bring up normal air palm any more only time it was used the opponent had no damage at all
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Again, how the hell then do they compress air and shoot it out? Please explain.
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No, only difference that was noted was the power levels and the fact that Kaguya transforms the chakra she shoots out into fists while the Hyuga just leave it as is, nothing about the effects of the technique being different.
Don't get how this means anything.
Are you referring to Air Wall Palm? If so, then you are really naive for saying it's "totally diffrent to air palm", as Air Wall palm is literally nothing more than two combined air palms.
Why would that need to be said? AWP is nothing more than Air Palm X2, so anything that applies to Air palm would apply to that. Is your bias for Kakuzu making you that dense?
Again, anything that applies to air Palm applies to AWP, common sense. so no.
A wall of chakra that damages the organs through inserting chakra into the opponent. Just like every other offensive hyuga ability. Again, the databook said Air Palm has the same features as Gentle Fist, meaning it is nothing more than a ranged Jyuuken strike.
Already countered both of your ludicrous claims here, but it's okay, just go on yapping them on and on as long as you'd like.
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*sigh* Your lack of knowledge on GF is evident if you really mean what you're saying. The whole basis of the GF style is that of sudden singular bursts of chakra that then attack chakra points/organs. With air palm it may be doable due to its one shot however when creating a wall how do you expect these bursts to even occur? Its even stated that its similar to rotation in its chakra style. Rotation doesn't damage the organs at all.Again, how the hell then do they compress air and shoot it out? Please explain.
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No, only difference that was noted was the power levels and the fact that Kaguya transforms the chakra she shoots out into fists while the Hyuga just leave it as is, nothing about the effects of the technique being different.
Don't get how this means anything.
Are you referring to Air Wall Palm? If so, then you are really naive for saying it's "totally diffrent to air palm", as Air Wall palm is literally nothing more than two combined air palms.
Why would that need to be said? AWP is nothing more than Air Palm X2, so anything that applies to Air palm would apply to that. Is your bias for Kakuzu making you that dense?
Again, anything that applies to air Palm applies to AWP, common sense. so no.
A wall of chakra that damages the organs through inserting chakra into the opponent. Just like every other offensive hyuga ability. Again, the databook said Air Palm has the same features as Gentle Fist, meaning it is nothing more than a ranged Jyuuken strike.
Already countered both of your ludicrous claims here, but it's okay, just go on yapping them on and on as long as you'd like.
To put it in even simpler terms the chakra that is used to disable chakra points and etc. shows no sings of actually applying any force to the opponent (its the physical strikes themselves that achieve the push back you see when Neji uses 64 palms) So basically the chakra can't physically knock back the opponent while being ethereal enough to phase through the body to attack the chakra points and organs. It would be physically impossible, if you can't understand this by all means go on wanking your characters ignorantly. But thats just how it goes Lol
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Yeah.............. I'm using this thread as another example as to why the Hyuga are incredibly underrated. I think people are forgetting a lot of details.
Hiashi's arsenal.
Gentle fist, the ability to destroy someone's organs with the slightest touch, and the ability to hit chakra points to shut down someone's chakra. It can also be used to destroy objects manipulated or formed by chakra.(though I doubt things like susanoo) His skill is extremely high since he pretty much taught Neji.
Has palm rotation, which is a powerful defense (but is weak against continuous attacks).
Air palm. A vaccum shell that attacks internal organs from a distance and is good for quickly repelling projectiles.
Air palm wall- When he uses both hands, is extremely large, and is powerful enough to knock away an arm of the juubi.
Presumably has 32 or 64 palms.
Let's analyze how he could battle Akatsuki members.
For starters, Zetsu is a freebee.
Sasori would loose. Sasori's style relies mainly on surprise. Against a byakugan user that can see through his gadgets, and gentle fist would easily sever his chakra strings, neutralizing his puppets. Hiashi's a very, very bad match up for Sasori. His air palm and palm rotation would also enable him to survive against the 3rd kazekage long enough to sever the threads that control him.
Deidera. I honestly don't think Deidera would win. Air palm would end up using Deidera's explosives against him if they don't outright kill him. Deidera would have to immediately use C3 or C4 just for a draw. (Hiashi could detonate C3, killing Deidera, and C4's not exactly protecting Deidera) Really, it comes down to who strikes first.
Hidan? Bad match up. Immortality gives Hidan the win unless Hiashi has a kunai on him to behead him.
Kakuzu? Hiashi takes this, but they're evenly matched. I don't think Kakuzu could get past Hiashi's defenses well enough, that and it would be fairly easy for Hiashi to take out his hearts.
Konan? Hiashi beats her. Konan doesn't have that many impressive feats.
Itachi? We all know how this turns out (susanoo FTW)
Kisame? Kisame also takes him. 4 words. Super Shark Bomb Jutsu! Gentle fist isn't doing anything to somethign that literally feeds off of chakra.(doesn't need a big water source)
Obito? Kamui gg.
Feel free to debate against me, but if you say "you'e overrating Hyugas you fanboy" and don't back up your satements, that means you're the ones fanboying the akatsuki, and you've already lost.
Hiashi's arsenal.
Gentle fist, the ability to destroy someone's organs with the slightest touch, and the ability to hit chakra points to shut down someone's chakra. It can also be used to destroy objects manipulated or formed by chakra.(though I doubt things like susanoo) His skill is extremely high since he pretty much taught Neji.
Has palm rotation, which is a powerful defense (but is weak against continuous attacks).
Air palm. A vaccum shell that attacks internal organs from a distance and is good for quickly repelling projectiles.
Air palm wall- When he uses both hands, is extremely large, and is powerful enough to knock away an arm of the juubi.
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Presumably has 32 or 64 palms.
Let's analyze how he could battle Akatsuki members.
For starters, Zetsu is a freebee.
Sasori would loose. Sasori's style relies mainly on surprise. Against a byakugan user that can see through his gadgets, and gentle fist would easily sever his chakra strings, neutralizing his puppets. Hiashi's a very, very bad match up for Sasori. His air palm and palm rotation would also enable him to survive against the 3rd kazekage long enough to sever the threads that control him.
Deidera. I honestly don't think Deidera would win. Air palm would end up using Deidera's explosives against him if they don't outright kill him. Deidera would have to immediately use C3 or C4 just for a draw. (Hiashi could detonate C3, killing Deidera, and C4's not exactly protecting Deidera) Really, it comes down to who strikes first.
Hidan? Bad match up. Immortality gives Hidan the win unless Hiashi has a kunai on him to behead him.
Kakuzu? Hiashi takes this, but they're evenly matched. I don't think Kakuzu could get past Hiashi's defenses well enough, that and it would be fairly easy for Hiashi to take out his hearts.
Konan? Hiashi beats her. Konan doesn't have that many impressive feats.
Itachi? We all know how this turns out (susanoo FTW)
Kisame? Kisame also takes him. 4 words. Super Shark Bomb Jutsu! Gentle fist isn't doing anything to somethign that literally feeds off of chakra.(doesn't need a big water source)
Obito? Kamui gg.
Feel free to debate against me, but if you say "you'e overrating Hyugas you fanboy" and don't back up your satements, that means you're the ones fanboying the akatsuki, and you've already lost.
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Air Palm was never compared to Rotation in any canon sources, but rather, it was compared to gentle fist. So your whole paragraph falls flat on it's face just like that.
Why not? We've already seen this happen with the Yata mirror in a sense. Granted, Air Palm was said to have the same features as Gentle Fist, meaning it can also damage organs by inserting chakra. It's obvious this technique uses chakra, given that air is being shot out of the user's hands, which isn't something normally possible.