Why Naruto is superior to Ashura: Yay or nay?

[V h o]

I agree, but since they're their transmigrants, it's safe to assume how close they were. And the issue here is Indra having one powerup less than Ashura.

Transmigrants does not really mean anything, if anything it cements my point on the power gap between Indra/Ashura and Sasuke/Naruto.

Indra had PS with MS, meanwhile Sasuke didn't get PS until EMS.
Ashura had his avatar with his own chakra, while Naruto had to use kurama and rikudou chakra to make "Ashura" avatar.

 

[-immortal-]

Really bro :|
What is it then ?

It is his own power.

Just a cloak
Isn't remotly close enough to make the statement he has kurama Lol

 

[Romy9]

Transmigrants does not really mean anything, if anything it cements my point on the power gap between Indra/Ashura and Sasuke/Naruto.

Indra had PS with MS, meanwhile Sasuke didn't get PS until EMS.
Ashura had his avatar with his own chakra, while Naruto had to use kurama and rikudou chakra to make "Ashura" avatar.

Well, it means having their chakra/power similarity.

Well, you can tie that to Christianity's Adam and Eve. Indra and Ashura were the perfect individuals of what would later be known as Uchiha and Senju. Their potential probably allowed them to gains access to some powers a lot easier than their descendants. Because their descendants had to procreate with people who aren't from their clan and the blood/potential dissipated through the generations. The issue still is getting one power up, so I don't know exactly where we're getting at.

 

[-immortal-]

Transmigrants does not really mean anything, if anything it cements my point on the power gap between Indra/Ashura and Sasuke/Naruto.

Indra had PS with MS, meanwhile Sasuke didn't get PS until EMS.
Ashura had his avatar with his own chakra, while Naruto had to use kurama and rikudou chakra to make "Ashura" avatar.

Indra having PS with MS and ashura having his avatar has nothing to do with the power gap they have
It's because they have the chakra directly from hagoromo they have such steonng powers.

Example. Kakashi couldn't form PS with ms untill he got rikoudo chakra from obito.
It is the chakra.

 

[V h o]

Well, it means having their chakra/power similarity.

Nope, if that was the case both Madara and Sasuke would have PS at MS. They were most likely transmigrants due to ideology, they held Indra's peace by might ideology. This can be seen with Sasuke revolution of controlling things from the shadows and executing(might) those who get in his way of peace. Meanwhile Madara's IT plan was controlling everyone with a genjutsu(might) to get peace.

Well, you can tie that to Christianity's Adam and Eve. Indra and Ashura were the perfect individuals of what would later be known as Uchiha and Senju. Their potential probably allowed them to gains access to some powers a lot easier than their descendants. Because their descendants had to procreate with people who aren't from their clan and the blood/potential dissipated through the generations. The issue still is getting one power up, so I don't know exactly where we're getting at.

Ashura and Indra come from Hinduism I believe, not Christianity. Both represented polar ideas, usually Indra represented "good" while Ashura represented "bad"; Kishi switched that around in his story.

Really doesn't matter that Ashura got 1 extra power up, when Kishi allowed Ashura with his extra power up to die against Indra, who going by logic would be weaker than Ashura. For example 1=1, 1+1=2>1. However Ashura still tied/stalemented and died against Indra who had no known power up, meanwhile Ashura who was formerly equal to him plus a power up, died against him...


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Indra having PS with MS and ashura having his avatar has nothing to do with the power gap they have
It's because they have the chakra directly from hagoromo they have such steonng powers.

Example. Kakashi couldn't form PS with ms untill he got rikoudo chakra from obito.
It is the chakra.

Yes and Naruto with Ashura chakra+Hagoromo's chakra only then made what Ashura did with his own chakra....

 

[Omar19992010]

Ashura and Indra are just watered down versions of Naruto and Sasuke.

Considering Indra had EMS and they were both equal, there's no way Ashura had Six Paths Senjutsu like Naruto or else Ashura and Indra wouldn't have killed each other and Ashura would've killed him easily.

Indra had EMS which is a watered down version of Rinnegan while Ashura had some form of Six Paths Senjutsu and is a watered down version of Naruto's.

 

[Nagi]

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What Madara did before that? Took on the whole freaking senji clan by himself for the 24 hours!! That is proof right there that Uchiha clan is a expert in battling. Indra probably fought his brother and his people all by himself.

 

[Romy9]

Nope, if that was the case both Madara and Sasuke would have PS at MS. They were most likely transmigrants due to ideology, they held Indra's peace by might ideology. This can be seen with Sasuke revolution of controlling things from the shadows and executing(might) those who get in his way of peace. Meanwhile Madara's IT plan was controlling everyone with a genjutsu(might) to get peace.


Ashura and Indra come from Hinduism I believe, not Christianity. Both represented polar ideas, usually Indra represented "good" while Ashura represented "bad"; Kishi switched that around in his story.

Really doesn't matter that Ashura got 1 extra power up, when Kishi allowed Ashura with his extra power up to die against Indra, who going by logic would be weaker than Ashura. For example 1=1, 1+1=2>1. However Ashura still tied/stalemented and died against Indra who had no known power up, meanwhile Ashura who was formerly equal to him plus a power up, died against him...

I already explained my point of view on that matter.

I didn't say Indra and Ashura come from Christianity, I wrote the correlation between them in this subject. Ashura died in that battle?

 

[KingHashirama]

What Madara did before that? Took on the whole freaking senji clan by himself for the 24 hours!! That is proof right there that Uchiha clan is a expert in battling. Indra probably fought his brother and his people all by himself.

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He challenged Hashirama not the entire senju clan.

 

[V h o]

I already explained my point of view on that matter.

I didn't say Indra and Ashura come from Christianity, I wrote the correlation between them in this subject. Ashura died in that battle?

Alright then, I explained mine.

That's fine, I didn't say you did but I wanted to make that clear. Seems Ashura did, if he didn't it would make more sense, but I don't know what Kishi was thinking with his forced events.

 

[Romy9]

Alright then, I explained mine.

That's fine, I didn't say you did but I wanted to make that clear. Seems Ashura did, if he didn't it would make more sense, but I don't know what Kishi was thinking with his forced events.

We don't know whether he died or not. We only know Indra lost the war.

 

[Nagi]

[video=youtube;Lb8tuThRlww]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb8tuThRlww[/video]


He challenged Hashirama not the entire senju clan.

Nope. Look like tobirama was trying to get in on the action. Thought anime is not cannon. Madara fought that whole senji by himself. Get over it! If hashirama was holding back, then shame on him for letting a lot of his people die throughout them battles.

 

[V h o]

We don't know whether he died or not. We only know Indra lost the war.

Could be, BZ says fight/war of ninshu successor but it was not a fight.

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It would make more sense for Ashura to have won the war, between the two, instead of a stalemate.

 

[Romy9]

Could be, BZ says fight/war of ninshu successor but it was not a fight.

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It would make more sense for Ashura to have won the war, between the two, instead of a stalemate.

We're heavily speculating here. But I still don't quite understand why you can't approximately judge the advantage, given the fact that Ashura had a serious advantage against Indra while Naruto did not against Sasuke.

 

[V h o]

We're heavily speculating here. But I still don't quite understand why you can't approximately judge the advantage, given the fact that Ashura had a serious advantage against Indra while Naruto did not against Sasuke.

Not sure where your comparison is going.

My whole point is that it's an unfair comparison, since one character is basically featless (Ashura), while Naruto is not.

 

[Romy9]

Not sure where your comparison is going.

My whole point is that it's an unfair comparison, since one character is basically featless (Ashura), while Naruto is not.

Yeah but that's why I pulled the transmigration argument. We can assume Indra's and Ashura's abilities because we know Naruto's and Sasuke's. The sole fact that they were generally equal, means one would have a definite advantage if you discard a single powerup.

 

[V h o]

Yeah but that's why I pulled the transmigration argument. We can assume Indra's and Ashura's abilities because we know Naruto's and Sasuke's. The sole fact that they were generally equal, means one would have a definite advantage if you discard a single powerup.

Well if you discard the power up, Indra and Ashura would be equal. Also I'm not going to assume their abilities since they have shown none bar PS/avatar, and arguably the Indra arrow...

 

[Romy9]

Well if you discard the power up, Indra and Ashura would be equal. Also I'm not going to assume their abilities since they have shown none bar PS/avatar, and arguably the Indra arrow...

So you agree then? Ashura and Indra weren't equal because Hagoromo gave his power only to one of them. Naruto and Sasuke were equal because they both received power. Ashura had an advantage and luxury in his battle with Indra while Naruto fought "fair and square" against Sasuke with the same level of power.

 

[Transcendence]

He's a lot more powerful, right after the power-up.

Even if we factor in that Naruto and Sasuke had portions of Ashura and Indra's chakra, it won't matter. Because on top of that, Sasuke got the Rin'negan (something Indra didn't have) and Naruto blossomed RSM and has the Bijuu's chakra, something Ashura didn't have. They're on a different tier simply because their powers are much more pure, coming directly from Hagoromo, rather than the chance genetics that Ashura and Indra relied on.

 

[V h o]

So you agree then? Ashura and Indra weren't equal because Hagoromo gave his power only to one of them.

Manga said they were equal, better yet it said Ashura had the same power as Indra.

Naruto and Sasuke were equal because they both received power. Ashura had an advantage and luxury in his battle with Indra while Naruto fought "fair and square" against Sasuke with the same level of power.

Nope RM Naruto is stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke. Their equality was lost when Sasuke stalemated RM Naruto with 8.5 bijuu.