[Discussion] IMHO Yamamoto>Hogyoku Aizen

[I'm stupid real stupid]

I dont see how Aizen can defeat him. Aizen admitted inferiority to him and hell without Wonderweiss Aizen would have died back in FKT arc.

The moment Yamamoto says "Bankai" its all over. Even Unohoha gave 0 ****s for Aizen but she was worried that Yammoto's Bankai would destroy Soul Society.

Maybe if Aizen still had his Zanpacto in his Hogyoku Mode it might be different.

And Aizens Hogyoku form was not impressive...all he did was bully fodders and got neg diffed by Ichigo

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[SpiritDama]

We get that you dont like Lord Aizen, But Yamamoto Can't touch Aizen.
Kyoka Suigetsu GG
Hogyoku GG
Reiatsu crush GG

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I dont see how Aizen can defeat him. Aizen admitted inferiority to him and hell without Wonderweiss Aizen would have died back in FKT arc.

The moment Yamamoto says "Bankai" its all over. Even Unohoha gave 0 ****s for Aizen but she was worried that Yammoto's Bankai would destroy Soul Society.

Maybe if Aizen still had his Zanpacto in his Hogyoku Mode it might be different.

And Aizens Hogyoku form was not impressive...all he did was bully fodders and got neg diffed by Ichigo

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Aizen in his last hogyoku mode was way stronger than the aizen that admitted he was inferior to Yama.

 

[Xlad]

Huh? Ichigo had to go over a thousand year hyperbolic training to acheive his Final Form to defeat Aizen. Hogyoku Aizen's spiritual power is to the point where it can't be sense. I didn't see the same thing being said for Yamamoto.

 

[dms_kakashi]

Yes, indeed yama is a force to.be reckoned. But he cant defeat hogyoku aizen. Aizen is immortal. He may be able to give him trouble bun nothing more

 

[Wolves]

Yamamoto solos everyone, except Aizen in this form. It's just a bit too much.
I'd say Aizen high diff.

 

[-Akuma-]

The VIZ scan implied that Yama was only a bit stronger than Shinigami Aizen, any form of Aizen above that spanks Yama.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Huh? Ichigo had to go over a thousand year hyperbolic training to acheive his Final Form to defeat Aizen. Hogyoku Aizen's spiritual power is to the point where it can't be sense. I didn't see the same thing being said for Yamamoto.

But Yama is also 1000 years old...and even Yhwach had to play dirty tricks to defeat Yamamoto

 

[Xlad]

But Yama is also 1000 years old...and even Yhwach had to play dirty tricks to defeat Yamamoto

When is age relevant in this case? That only proves Yamamoto's superiority to Yhwach's.

 

[Frankenstein]

And Aizens Hogyoku form was not impressive...all he did was bully fodders and got neg diffed by Ichigo

>neg diffed by Ichigo

Implying Ichigo beat Aizen on his own.

 

[Misconception]

Foolish little debaters.

Ywach>Yamamoto>HG Aizen.

Yes HG Aizen is on another level in all but he isn't brushing off those bankai flames hell Aizen was scared to go head up with Yamamoto base vs his Shikai he resorted to cheap tricks even after Yamamoto couldn't even use his shikai.

 

[Ultimateone]

anybody who thinks yama beats aa transcended like ichigo and aizen don't know how the powerscaling in bleach.

 

[Zeta42]

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[ssjelf]

anybody who thinks yama beats aa transcended like ichigo and aizen don't know how the powerscaling in bleach.

Yama bankai makes him invunerable to attack and anything his flames touch disappears. Hogyoku aizen couldnt even touch him let alone hurt him or beat him. HG aizen roflstomped.

 

[Beetle]

Hogyoku Aizen takes this. Black Coffin ftw.

 

[Ultimateone]

Yama bankai makes him invunerable to attack and anything his flames touch disappears. Hogyoku aizen couldnt even touch him let alone hurt him or beat him. HG aizen roflstomped.

you don't understand how fights work in bleach. fights are mostly based off of reiatsu, more so than even skill. yama's flames are just his reiatsu in the form of flames. as aizen himself ecplained, a fight between shinigami is a fight between spiritual pressure. soi fong's shikai ability is death in 2 strokes. her ability is literally a death sentence if you get hit in the same spot. aizen survived it because his reiatsu was so much greater than hers. it's the same reason why ichigo was able to swat away aizens level 90 black coffin. ichigo originally couldn't even cut kenpachi because he wasn't releasin enough reiatsu when he attacked. the same will apply to aizen vs yama. aizen is so much more powerful, that the flames won't have the same effect it does on everyone else, period.

 

[ssjelf]

you don't understand how fights work in bleach. fights are mostly based off of reiatsu, more so than even skill. yama's flames are just his reiatsu in the form of flames. as aizen himself ecplained, a fight between shinigami is a fight between spiritual pressure. soi fong's shikai ability is death in 2 strokes. her ability is literally a death sentence if you get hit in the same spot. aizen survived it because his reiatsu was so much greater than hers. it's the same reason why ichigo was able to swat away aizens level 90 black coffin. ichigo originally couldn't even cut kenpachi because he wasn't releasin enough reiatsu when he attacked. the same will apply to aizen vs yama. aizen is so much more powerful, that the flames won't have the same effect it does on everyone else, period.

Yeah cuz gin has so much more reiatsu than Yamamoto right? Wrong. Gin managed to stab and disintegrate much of Aizens body without having the spiritual pressure that even zaraki had let alone yama. yama flames still beat aizen regardless of spiritual pressure, the rules are literally written for plot so they are not consistent, soi fong probably didnt even hit aizen becaus ehe was using KS.

 

[Ultimateone]

Yeah cuz gin has so much more reiatsu than Yamamoto right? Wrong. Gin managed to stab and disintegrate much of Aizens body without having the spiritual pressure that even zaraki had let alone yama. yama flames still beat aizen regardless of spiritual pressure, the rules are literally written for plot so they are not consistent, soi fong probably didnt even hit aizen becaus ehe was using KS.

you know what, i was gonna go back and forth with you. but i decided not to. the manga has made a point that a bigger spiritual pressure beats the lower. they made it a point that ichigo and aizen where on another level than shinigami and hollow alike. it would make zero sense to have yama, a shinigami stronger than them. so i'm done.

 

[ssjelf]

you know what, i was gonna go back and forth with you. but i decided not to. the manga has made a point that a bigger spiritual pressure beats the lower. they made it a point that ichigo and aizen where on another level than shinigami and hollow alike. it would make zero sense to have yama, a shinigami stronger than them. so i'm done.

Except the manga made a point that yama was the strongest shingami in existence and as such he has special privileges in terms of what kubo can do with him. You cant argue with the spirtual power argument because the entire manga is so inconsistent in that regard, "rules" like that have been broke so many times. Given gins ability to do that to aizen, then yama easily can as well. Given Aizen will just regen, but at what point can the hogyoku sustain him to, and im sure yama could seal him in some way, i mean he beat YH after all, the most powerful thing to exist in bleach. And dont even argue Aizen>YH because thats silly.

 

[Ultimateone]

Except the manga made a point that yama was the strongest shingami in existence and as such he has special privileges in terms of what kubo can do with him. You cant argue with the spirtual power argument because the entire manga is so inconsistent in that regard, "rules" like that have been broke so many times. Given gins ability to do that to aizen, then yama easily can as well. Given Aizen will just regen, but at what point can the hogyoku sustain him to, and im sure yama could seal him in some way, i mean he beat YH after all, the most powerful thing to exist in bleach. And dont even argue Aizen>YH because thats silly.

first off, we don't actually know how yama defeated juha, hell we don't even know if he defeated him. what we do know is that yama failed to kill him. whether that means he defeated him in battle, we just don't know. also, yama was not the strongest shinigami in existence. that title would most definitely go to ichibei. dude can literally wipe you from existence. as far as the spiritual pressure goes. when gin did what he did to aizen, aizen had been supressing his reiatsu so that he could effect beings on a lesser level then him. otherwise they wouldn't be able to feel his spiritual pressure and be crushed under the weight of it. so it has to work the opposite way as well. if his spiritual pressure can now effect lesser individuals and they can feel it, they must have been able to effect him as well. it only makes sense. works in the same way that kenpachi uses his patch to supress his reiatsu so he can have more fun. otherwise most wouldn't normally be able to hurt him.