why naruto isnt a hardworker or underdog

[Romy9]

Ironically, almost every training Naruto had was depicted... How far some people go just because they hate a fictional character is appalling.

 

[Shruikan]

Sasuke's training stopped in Part two because he was already a full-fledged shinobi. Once he activated MS, it was up to pure talent at that point in which the Mangekyo Techniques ''appeared" from thin air. I do not remember him actually training for his Susano'o evolutions, they responded to his emotions, and Kagutsuchi just worked when he wanted to save Karin. Amaterasu came with no prior use besides the Itachi transcription seal either.

So this MS training thing is pretty funny when he never actually spent more than a single panel training for it.

MS techniques actually are tremendously painful and leaves one very exhausted when used and overuse risked him being blind which he nearly got in the Kage Summit.It was after that he gained the EMS from Itachi which eh had to beat and even if it was not a true win it was similar to how Kurama got Naruto to win the Pain fight so it counts
Its not training in a sense but he doesnt need it but he suffers more in battle than Naruto.

Most of Naruto's techniques and tricks involved clones which he could spawn in the first place because of his huge chakra reserves and the fact that he is an Uzumaki

The only true hard worker in this series are Guy and Lee.Fact

 

[Dockinabix]

Are you forgetting that Jiraiya had to teach Naruto the basics over a two-three year time period, while Sasuke already mastered such? That's why he was able to progressive so far because he was already a genius in the other categories that Naruto lacked skill, knowledge, and expertise in. Which is why instead of crafting new techniques, he had to grow on what he knew already. Using his current techniques with their own combined versatility.

Which is why a majority of Part two consisted of Naruto training, constantly.

I agree, moreover during the training with jiraiya, the senin trained also the mind of the MC, making him stronger, on the contrary of sasuke's mind power who never evolved and though broke easily after. Moreover it's was heavily supposed that oro cheated with Sasuke by using drugs ( he had kabuto with him, in a way it's a logical way of thinking), so even though he trained, all his accomplisment may be not from training only.

Finally, through all the manga, part 1 Sasuke and naruto are close to even in training work ( slight advantage for naruto because he is MC). In part 2, after deidara, sasuke was never shown training, he received behind the backdoors power ups just because of lineage facility plot ( he wasn't shown training for mastering amaterasu or susanoo, he did it one time, and then masters it), while naruto was heavily seen training for rasen-shuriken, senjutsu, bijuu-bomb and using kurama chakra. All his pre-war weapons are hard worked weaponery with clearly shown training.

Close to half the pages before war arc were training chapters. So saying crap that he isn't a hardworker is pure crap. It's almost like he had more screentime training than fighting.

MS techniques actually are tremendously painful and leaves one very exhausted when used and overuse risked him being blind which he nearly got in the Kage Summit.It was after that he gained the EMS from Itachi which eh had to beat and even if it was not a true win it was similar to how Kurama got Naruto to win the Pain fight so it counts
Its not training in a sense but he doesnt need it but he suffers more in battle than Naruto.

Most of Naruto's techniques and tricks involved clones which he could spawn in the first place because of his huge chakra reserves and the fact that he is an Uzumaki

You have forgotten that using clone training put an extreme pressure on the mind and the body. ( After each session, naruto falls of from the backlash) So even if his stamina and grumpy foxy bonus helps for recovering, enduring that for days and saying it's not hard work is hypocrisy.

 

[take it easy]

@Radon87000

How Kyuubi made 50% of work against Pain if he couldn't beat/damaged even one body ?

 

[Shruikan]

@Radon87000

How Kyuubi made 50% of work against Pain if he couldn't beat/damaged even one body ?

The Deva Path was the REAL deal amongst the six.The others could be stopped fairly easily as Kakashi,Jiraiya and Konohamaru had shown to handle 3 paths.

Deva Path after getting serious had actually defeated Naruto.The only reason he won was because Kurama took over softened up Deva Path by getting him to use every technique including Almighty Devastation and after he was softened up Naruto took him out with ease.
The most difficult Path which made Pain he villain he is was technically taken out by Kurama

 

[Shruikan]

You have forgotten that using clone training put an extreme pressure on the mind and the body. ( After each session, naruto falls of from the backlash) So even if his stamina and grumpy foxy bonus helps for recovering, enduring that for days and saying it's not hard work is hypocrisy.

Uh no.Still not as much as MS does.And he is an Uzumaki meaning he already enjoys the ability of being healed and getting back into training withoiut much damage

Anyways,I have always said that Naruto and Sasuke are equals.Both of them did training,suffered setbacks and acheived everything through different means.

 

[Dockinabix]

Uh no.Still not as much as MS does.And he is an Uzumaki meaning he already enjoys the ability of being healed and getting back into training withoiut much damage

Whoa ... He unlocked the MS without much damage ( he was in bed recovering from his fight with Itachi, not from unlocking it.) Moreover he unlocked when he saw tobi sharingan, ( thanks to Itachi security "program") , the pain shown was just the usual pain of using it.

It's over using MS who damaged his eyes. For EMS the recovering was just the usual after surgery recover and accoutumance.

Anyways,I have always said that Naruto and Sasuke are equals.Both of them did training,suffered setbacks and acheived everything through different means.

In part 1, I agree, we have training pages and sayings. In part 2 it's not the case. As I say in my previous post, after leaving oro, Sasuke was never shown training, all his powerups came from lineage plot eases, on the contrary of the MC who even with lineage "bonus", was shown training.

 

[lndra]

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So because the MS techniques are stressful it accounts to training? I guess V1, V2, V3 cloaks of Kyuubi chakra accounts to Naruto then too Lol

The fact is, MS Sasuke never trained in Part 2 at all. No manga scans of him actually trying to perfect something, he always did it perfectly. EMS Sasuke is a joke because all the techniques he did not train for, became spammable.

Which is not a bad thing considering that he is an Indra transmigrate. He was supposed to be a genius anyway. Comparing him to Ashura who had to train WAY more, is just making you guys look like total fapboys. Bringing Lee here when we are talking about Naruto and Sasuke. K

 

[Shruikan]

So because the MS techniques are stressful it accounts to training? I guess V1, V2, V3 cloaks of Kyuubi chakra accounts to Naruto then too Lol
The fact is, MS Sasuke never trained in Part 2 at all. No manga scans of him actually trying to perfect something, he always did it perfectly. EMS Sasuke is a joke because all the techniques he did not train for, became spammable.

I think this argument is turning into us moving in circles.I already said its not training above except both Naruto and Sasuke had to go through a great deal to reach where they are but both did it in different ways

Naruto had the kyuubi,his chakra reserves and longetivity going for him.Sasuke had the Sharingan and the Cursed seal going for him.Both are equals as I stated above
Naruto did hard work in controlling the rare gift he already had.Sasuke too in first unlocking the MS.But both of them were talented due to which they got where they are.

Bringing Lee here when we are talking about Naruto and Sasuke. K

This topic is about hard work.Lee is the one who is the true character in that regard

 

[Narutohokage324]

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IMO

Naruto
Trained for Kage bunshins
trained for rasengan
trained for summoning jutsu
Trained during the time skip
Trained for the rasenshuriken
trained for sage mode
beat Kurama with the help of his mother and a bit of help with Bee
by gaining the trust of kirama for his hardworks and determination, he gained BM
Gained the trust of the bijuus by freeing them
Having his hard works coming to fruition, he gained the power of Ashura from the Sage

Sasuke
Had emotional breakdown to awaken his sharingan
trianed for chidori
trained to reach Lee's speed
Was bitten in the neck for curse mark
Took a pill for curse mark v2
Trained during the time skip
Awakened ms after he heard the truth about itachi
masked tobi to give him Itachi's eyes
received Kurama's chakra
received Hashirama cells
received the rinnegan from sage of six paths

 

[Shruikan]

IMO

Naruto
Trained for Kage bunshins
trained for rasengan
trained for summoning jutsu
Trained during the time skip
Trained for the rasenshuriken
trained for sage mode
beat Kurama with the help of his mother and a bit of help with Bee
by gaining the trust of kirama for his hardworks and determination, he gained BM
Gained the trust of the bijuus by freeing them
Having his hard works coming to fruition, he gained the power of Ashura from the Sage

Sasuke
Had emotional breakdown to awaken his sharingan
trianed for chidori
trained to reach Lee's speed
Was bitten in the neck for curse mark
Took a pill for curse mark v2
Trained during the time skip
Awakened ms after he heard the truth about itachi
masked tobi to give him Itachi's eyes
received Kurama's chakra
received the rinnegan from sage of six paths

This is a completely biased N Fanboy view.I disagree but its once again turning into the Naruto vs Sasuke thread awit hsame arguments again and again.Anyways I already made my point that both are equals and Kishimoto portrayed them as such in the manga.

 

[Avani]

i know some of you want to cry foul immediately but im going to explain why naruto isnt a hardworker or an underdog and NEVER WAS.

people think he is simply because it was told to them.. over and over and over and over again to the point that they were indoctrinated into thinking it was true. naruto isnt either of those things. ill list then explain why 1. body of the sage 2. asura incarnation/host 3. kyuubi 4. tailed beasts 5. genius parents 6. genius teachers 7. free power ups.

now ill get thre pre time skip stuff out of the way where the BULK of the hard working nonsense is that was later prooved to be simply not true.

little kid naruto: he had a rough life no one liked him and the like however this doesnt equate to being the underdog or hardworking. all he needed to do was prove he wasnt the bad person they thought he was (which he does later) instead he wasted his time pranking and vandalizing things giving people a valid reason not to like him. yes he lost sparring fights to sasuke however this naruto never really trained so ofcourse hed lose to the sauce man and in either case they are barely older than toddlers his body hasnt developed yet enough to be a failure or success.

genin naruto: this is probably one of the third biggest hypocrite version of him. this is the one that old konohamaru that theres no short cuts yet was the same one who basically stole a scroll full of cheat codes so he could become a genin. yes he learned things and he learned them fast however thats a testimate to his naturally powerful body, good genes, and great teachers. nothing was hard for him except when someone ELSE made it hard for him example. when he tried to learn water walking it was only tough because the seal messing up his chakra when it was removed he mastered it instantly. another example when he tried learning summoning it wasnt hard jiraiya was just making him try to summon with almost no chakra. this guy was chunin level and able to fight kage level people like gaara (albeit kazekage level)

early time skip naruto: he didnt have to work for anything he just needed to get mad and daddy kurama would take care of EVERYTHING for him. the only thing he worked for was wind style rasengan which again he got fairly easily because of his body it only took what was supposed to take years a few days. true he was weaker than sasuke but then again this naruto was already jonin level easily

sage mode naruto: this one is supposedly supposed to be the pinnacle of his hard work. however it was pretty much literally said that if you dont have high chakra reserves and a strong body you cant master this.. and guess what naruto was born with more than anyone else? chakra and a strong body.. he had 4 times more chakra than kakashi as a kid if im not mistaken no telling how much it increased when he turned into a teenager especially when you count kurama. he also mastered this in less than a week it had nothing to do with hard work when u have a god body that can handle it. heck even madara mastered sm in an instant with his god body this guy is kage level

kcm-bsm: no need to really go into detail. his mom and killer bee pretty much saved his ass and helped him "beat" kurama for a power up that he also pretty much instantly mastered. there was only one instance of him "not having full control over it" and that was when he blitzed kisame and his foot got stuck that only happened simply because he didnt know how fast he was with his new power. after that every form of this was instant mastered. heck he even had zero trouble balancing his chakra, spirit energy, senjutsu, and kuramas full power once kurama let him use sm. this one is high kage level

rsm: need i really explain this one? die and become a freaking godly god slayer stronger than all the other sky gods? his power level still doesnt make to much sense if he had the sun and moon seals on his own hands im almost 100% certain he couldve beaten both madara and kaguya in 1v1 fights.

in the end naruto is not really a hardworker he just wants you to believe it.

No he was the ugly duckling which became a swan. :|

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Ironically, almost every training Naruto had was depicted... How far some people go just because they hate a fictional character is appalling.

True. Funny thing is that people don't really appreciate hard work that much anyway as they claim while trying to put others down. What they want are still big flashy techs and variations. Otherwise Sakura wouldn't be called useless and Uchiha techs won't be so alluring.

Naruto has to work hard because he understands things better using trial and error method to get the right combo instead of understanding by theories behind it. If he would work less he would be average.

 

[Narutohokage324]

This is a completely biased N Fanboy view.I disagree but its once again turning into the Naruto vs Sasuke thread awit hsame arguments again and again.Anyways I already made my point that both are equals and Kishimoto portrayed them as such in the manga.

What does training hard have to do with being equal? Naruto, the Ashura counterpart obviously trained harder than Sasuke did off panel, and in panel. Saying such words makes me think you are either trolling, or pretending to be stupid.

Sasuke, the fast learner, the Genius.
Naruto, the slow but hard worker, the Failure.

 

[Shruikan]

What does training hard have to do with being equal?

This topic is about hard work.Training is a part of hard work.Sasuke didnt train as much as Naruto but he got where he was through a different type of hard work.

 

[Narutohokage324]

This topic is about hard work.Training is a part of hard work.Sasuke didnt train as much as Naruto but he got where he was through a different type of hard work.

Sasuke got to where he was now through hard work and being skilled (genius).
Naruto got to where he was now through hard work, determination, and never giving up (because he was not as skilled).

It is freaking obvious who had to train harder to catch up to the other. Why are you guys arguing about something so basic? (Not naming names)

 

[Dockinabix]

Naruto did hard work in controlling the rare gift he already had.Sasuke too in first unlocking the MS.But both of them were talented due to which they got where they are.

Hard work for MS yes...

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And after the explanations and crying for the lost brother. No training shown or said for MS

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Sorry but part 2 sasuke was never shown or said training for MS and what followed, he received it.

And the genius stuff doesn't apply for this simply because in part 1, even genius do training. They just get stronger faster than someone normal. They don't get f*cked up power ups from nowhere.

 

[lndra]

Hard work for MS yes...

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And after the explanations and crying for the lost brother. No training shown or said for MS

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Sorry but part 2 sasuke was never shown or said training for MS, he received it.

Part Two Training (Going by manga feats)

Naruto (Trained) - FRS, Frog Kata, Sage Mode, and KCM (You think taming Kurama was easy. He still needed help, he pulled Kurama's chakra out, and he was the one who sealed him ultimately in the end which mimicked Rikudou)

Naruto (Not trained) - BM, BSM, and RSM.

Sasuke (Trained) - N/A

Sasuke (Not Trained) - Amaterasu, Kagutschi, V1, V2, V3, V4, PS, and Rinnegan techniques (the ones shown in the manga).

 

[take it easy]

The Deva Path was the REAL deal amongst the six.The others could be stopped fairly easily as Kakashi,Jiraiya and Konohamaru had shown to handle 3 paths.

Agree

Deva Path after getting serious had actually defeated Naruto.

Deva path could defeat Naruto only after he lost SM.

The only reason he won was because Kurama took over softened up Deva Path by getting him to use every technique including Almighty Devastation and after he was softened up Naruto took him out with ease.

The only reason he won was his own strategy against Tendo.

The most difficult Path which made Pain he villain he is was technically taken out by Kurama

Technically, the most difficult Path was taken out by Kakashi's intel.

This is a completely biased N Fanboy view.I disagree but its once again turning into the Naruto vs Sasuke thread awit hsame arguments again and again.Anyways I already made my point that both are equals and Kishimoto portrayed them as such in the manga.

Kishi portrays them as a rivals which never will be equals in the same time.

 

[Dockinabix]

Part Two Training (Going by manga feats)

Naruto (Trained) - FRS, Frog Kata, Sage Mode, and KCM (You think taming Kurama was easy. He still needed help, he pulled Kurama's chakra out, and he was the one who sealed him ultimately in the end which mimicked Rikudou)

Naruto (Not trained) - BM, BSM, and RSM.

Sasuke (Trained) - N/A

Sasuke (Not Trained) - Amaterasu, Kagutschi, V1, V2, V3, V4, PS, and Rinnegan techniques (the ones shown in the manga).

You forgot bijuu-bomb training (even though it's kurama who finished it, he trained for it before ^^), but that's a good resume.

 

[Shruikan]

Deva path could defeat Naruto only after he lost SM.

Still beat him fair and square.Even when Naruto was in Sage Mode,Deva Path didn't use his full potential which could be seen when fighting Kurama

The only reason he won was his own strategy against Tendo.

Had Kurama not weakened Deva Path,he wouldn't have been able to formulate it in the first place

Technically, the most difficult Path was taken out by Kakashi's intel.

Again it could be used because Deva was banged up by Kurama in the first place

Without the Kyuubi Naruto had as good as lost the fight.

Kishi portrays them as a rivals which never will be equals in the same time.

I will be honest ,in all the fights they were equal.rivals are also equals competing for top spot.Hence the last fight was a draw