Why Naruto became (the most) powerful.

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So you're afraid. That's it. At least you don't try to pretend like it's anything else. Most people do.

That if you consider fear and anxiety to be synonymous.

Just because you are born that way doesnt mean every one is same. Most kids include me and you have gone through thing in life that make us feel uncomfortable when some one is staring at you while you are working.
But i know many kids that love to corporate with other and feels being them self when they are talking in the middle of the crowd.

Never said others were like me. I know many people who are very sociable too. I just like being serious and sticking to the task at hand more than I do idle chatter, even if it's fun.
 
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Naruto became the strongest ninja because he trained hard. He trained for everything unlike other dumb characters who get skills on plate. Yeah i am talking about sasuke.

Yeah, it's not like Nardo got power from the Sage, or some Kurama at birth.

That's some hell of an intellect you possess there, mate.
 

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He's the most powerful because of the fact that crack is wack.
 

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It's just that I like to think to myself while I'm doing something and when people stare I kind of feel like my personal (mental) space is violated, lol. It's also sort of a trauma from the times when I studied (when the teachers/mentors watch you and you're afraid of any misstep because you'll be yelled at).

And it's not like I'm isolated or anything (I work with people after all), I just need less social activity than others.

I can understand that. But you still need acknowledgment of others. It's self-fulfilling so you can excel even better at what you're doing regardless of doing it alone or with someone.

It really depends on what I'm doing. I usually don't bother giving it my all if it's something I'm good at. I'm only serious if I'm about to fail because of pride.

Btw. I've heard "arrogant" people are more successful in life. It's those with ambition, drive, self confidence and ego who generally succeed in in life.

"Arrogant" isn't a synonym to ambition, drive or self-confidence. It's the bad description of ego and pride.

Everyone is different, to look at everything so one dimensionally to say all humans work better together is a misnomer, a lot of humans work better when they are alone, there are pros and cons to working alone and working together. Albeit working together is more beneficial, that isn't to say it's absolute rule that all humans must work together, some people are so fast paced by themselves that having to rely on others just brings them down, for most people they work alone not because they want to but because others are not as fast paced as them or they don't share their dream. Imo it works hand in hand, you have to work alone first THEN you work together with others at least from an entreprenual stance.

Naruto is incredibly strong due to creating bonds with others and sasuke became strong by working with others, people say he worked alone but for the most part he hasn't really. I can't say for sure if Naruto is the strongest as there are many instances in Naruto when another character clearly looks stronger than another but the "stronger" character loses. Like against pein, pein manhandled Jiraya, you wouldn't even think Naruto oils even have that huge if a chance, however he managed to do pretty decently despite being at a huge disadvantage in sage mode. Sasuke and itachi evenmanaged to subdue DSM kabuto despite the latter being physically leauges above them. Looks can be deceiving but there is no doubt of Naruto being Demi god level, the only one that can best naruto is the coolest guy himself

You can't really feel emotional success when you're alone. We're not built like that. No matter how cold or alone you think you are or think you like it, you'll eventually want to have a wife, someone with whom you'll share your life. Even Sasuke succumbed to it later.

Sasuke and Itachi achieved power alone because they were born as Geniuses. However, because of their nature and circumstances, they couldn't reach the epitome or pedestal of power. Itachi even admitted that he failed because he tried to do everything alone. Naruto, who was a failure, the worst shinobi at one point, managed to rise up to be the strongest. Why? Because of the way he behaved, his attitude.
 
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I can understand that. But you still need acknowledgment of others. It's self-fulfilling so you can excel even better at what you're doing regardless of doing it alone or with someone.

As someone with a creative job, I mostly rely on my own vision anyway. Pretty selfish, but I can't help it. I do like making people happy, but it is also rooted in egoism if you think of it :rolleyes:

"Arrogant" isn't a synonym to ambition, drive or self-confidence. It's the bad description of ego and pride.

Unfortunately, IRL many people succeed by stomping on others.
 

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As someone with a creative job, I mostly rely on my own vision anyway. Pretty selfish, but I can't help it. I do like making people happy, but it is also rooted in egoism if you think of it :rolleyes:



Unfortunately, IRL many people succeed by stomping on others.

It is, but you agree that you feel better when someone compliments you on your work, right?

There are many ways we can interpret that. Socially, an arrogant person won't come very far as others will push that away. As far as succeeding at jobs or careers, it could be useful, but not in the manner of interacting with other people verbally in such a way.
 

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Still nowhere near LB's level

"Byakugan>MS" Lol

Ms is stronger but downside is you go blind after few time
Byakugan seem weaker but you can spam if you have enough mana
Byakugan can tell when their opponent cast spell. They can easily dodge the genjutsu by seeing when the enemy focus chakra in their eyes, so if they missed they loose alot of chakra.
But then ms user can uses other tech too.
You can say ms stronger for short durability while byakugan stronger for long period.
 

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Ms is stronger but downside is you go blind after few time
Byakugan seem weaker but you can spam if you have enough mana
Byakugan can tell when their opponent cast spell. They can easily dodge the genjutsu by seeing when the enemy focus chakra in their eyes, so if they missed they loose alot of chakra.
But then ms user can uses other tech too.
You can say ms stronger for short durability while byakugan stronger for long period.

How does any of it matter when Sasuke could wipe out the Byakugan users with one swipe of his susanoo?Sasuke must have spammed the Susano ocountless times for nearly a day without any aftershocks Lol EVen normal sharingan with 3T is enough to take on Byakugan
 

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Interesting i also found it interesting when others needed to remind naruto what was really important

Itachi hinata jiraiya orochimaru kabuto sasuke Yamato


Besides I work best on my own
 

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Interesting i also found it interesting when others needed to remind naruto what was really important

Itachi hinata jiraiya orochimaru kabuto sasuke Yamato

Better to remind him, which he accepted right off the bat, than to TnJ him to which his response would be the revolution.
 

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It is, but you agree that you feel better when someone compliments you on your work, right?

There are many ways we can interpret that. Socially, an arrogant person won't come very far as others will push that away. As far as succeeding at jobs or careers, it could be useful, but not in the manner of interacting with other people verbally in such a way.

Eh, I don't really want to go deeper into it, but I'm not a big fan of compliments since they are often insincere. On the other hand, when I see their happiness in their eyes and faces, that's what feels the best.

I guess when a person is openly arrogant than yeah. But there can always be manipulative, charismatic people who would be more subtle with their "stomping". Heck, in real life, I think most people have some experience with using others for their success, in big or small things. Naruto, being a fictional work, is idealized in that regard (which is fine).
 

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Eh, I don't really want to go deeper into it, but I'm not a big fan of compliments since they are often insincere. On the other hand, when I see their happiness in their eyes and faces, that's what feels the best.

I guess when a person is openly arrogant than yeah. But there can always be manipulative, charismatic people who would be more subtle with their "stomping". Heck, in real life, I think most people have some experience with using others for their success, in big or small things. Naruto, being a fictional work, is idealized in that regard (which is fine).

Well, that's also a form of acknowledgment.

I wouldn't label that as arrogant. Manipulative and smart, yeah, but I don't think that has much to do with the fact of being self-fulfilled if you have connections with other people. A person who is manipulative to certain people can also have a connection to some people he cares about. But yeah, we kinda dug a bit too much into it.
 

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That or you could just say its because he's the MC Lol

I am going with this:|

I don't really think that things in manga work the same irl. IRL a lot of times u have to make sacrifices. U can't always get your way, u get depressed, u lose your way, and to excel sometimes you have to think of yourself rather than friends or others.
 

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I will do what ever the hell I want.

lol by all means, was just giving you a tip to help your image. :leaf:

But if unreasonable Hinata wanking is your thing then that's fine, albeit quite sad.
 

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How does any of it matter when Sasuke could wipe out the Byakugan users with one swipe of his susanoo?Sasuke must have spammed the Susano ocountless times for nearly a day without any aftershocks Lol EVen normal sharingan with 3T is enough to take on Byakugan

Well we are talking about ms vs byakugan. Because ms has down side to it so it still count as weakness.
Saying ms sasuke could wipe out byakugan users with one swipe of his susanoo is just too much hype fanfic with no manga fact.
If manga fact that rotation can block most attack, it still counts. Byakugan user ability is to see through the target, whenever the enemy mold up chakra for certain spell and they can easily dodge it.
This is ninja not child play where you tank everything and see if you can stay alive or not.
Evasive, dodge, speed, strength..... Everything is count.
The byakugan user may not defeat ms user right away but they can stay alive until they see opportunity to strike.
Ms user is indeed far stronger but their durability is short. When some time battle field is more than days.
 

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The byakugan user may not defeat ms user right away but they can stay alive until they see opportunity to strike.
Nope.Too underpowered.Sasuke tanked the third Raikages Liger Bomb and later on a combined attack from Darui,Temari,Gaara and Kankuro at he same time.Rotation cannot defend against most MS techs.



Ms user is indeed far stronger but their durability is short. When some time battle field is more than days.
I was talking of a one on one or a fight with limited users,not war

It seems most your argument is based on limited time for which MS can be used which can be avoided by a skilled and planned usage of MS
 

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Nope.Too underpowered.Sasuke tanked the third Raikages Liger Bomb and later on a combined attack from Darui,Temari,Gaara and Kankuro at he same time.Rotation cannot defend against most MS techs.




I was talking of a one on one or a fight with limited users,not war

It seems most your argument is based on limited time for which MS can be used which can be avoided by a skilled and planned usage of MS
Well i just point out the fact that byakugan can stay alive until they have oportunity to strike. Ms is not everything. Even one on one, if the weaker has less effective attack, they will be force to dodge and tank what is necessary. The fight btw sasori and sakura after chiba sama fall is the example for your arguement. The gentle fist style is also perfect example because they dont strike by strength.
Sasuke tank has nothin to do with this fight as gentle fist is not working like that
 
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