Why do people say the tenseigan and Toneri are weak?

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While it is true that Naruto owned Toneri, you still have to remember that Naruto is a rikudou level opponent who would be able to match another rikudou level opponent such as Toneri. (rikudou level is just what I call characters who are anywhere from just slightly below juubi jinchuuriki level all the way to Kaguya level). Tenseigan chakara mode is not much different from rikudou sage mode in that it grants a chakara shroud, flight and truth seeking balls. By the time of The Last however, Naruto had already long possessed senjutsu, kcm, BM, BSM, RSM and experience against multiple users of the afforementioned powers that the tenseigan grants (the flight and truth seeking balls).

Therefore Naruto already knew the weaknesses of these powers from experience and he has had these powers himself for 2 years at the point of the movie. Meanwhile, Toneri has only had these powers for about a few minutes to an hour (he actually awakens the tenseigan on screen late in the movie). Basically, it was Naruto (an experienced veteran) vs. a novice! It makes sense that Naruto was able to beat Toneri without too much trouble.

You may argue that the tenseigan also grants gravitational powers, but Naruto has fought that too! Therefore he is still experienced in this field. You may also argue that Naruto didn't even go full rikudou mode, but here is the thing:

It wasn't needed. I don't know why, but for some reason you people act like it was just absolutely impossible for Naruto to train and get stronger to the point where he didn't need to use it very often after the war. No, it is always either, Toneri is fodder or Naruto lost RSM with a lot of you guys. You just refuse to acknowledge that he simply got stronger.

Additionally, Naruto doesn't actually have to be fully in rikudou mode to use rikudou power. Remember when he kicked Madara's truth seeking ball, blitzed Madara and then used lava style rasenshuriken? During that time, he only had RSM eyes activated (which are the same eyes as BSM, the mode he was in during the movie). If Naruto could use rikudou power in base mode (with just the eyes), then who is to say that he wasn't using rikudou power while in BSM (which has the same eyes)? He was flying after all, which would lend credibility to this conjecture. What I am getting at here is that Naruto may have actually been using more power than we think he was against Toneri. Even if Naruto wasn't using rikudou power against Toneri, BSM alone was already enough to give a juubi jinchuuriki (Obito) trouble even before meeting Hagoromo (and a juubi jinchuuriki would be stronger than a tenseigan chakara mode user). It makes sense then that Naruto was able to beat Toneri with relative ease. Therefore Toneri/Tenseigan are not weak. Naruto is just very strong and more experienced!

Also, name someone that was alive after the war (besides Naruto and Sasuke) that could beat Toneri. Keep in mind that (as I said before) tenseigan chakara mode ≈ rikudou sage mode. Toneri was even blew to bring down the moon and cut it in half. Who else besides rikudou level people could beat that?

Summary: Naruto was an experienced veteran with rikudou power while Toneri was a novice that had just awakened it and only had it for an hour or so. Even with such little experience, he was still able to accomplish feats such as knocking Naruto out for 3 days, bringing down the moon and cutting it in half.


Naruto was possibly using rikudou power against Toneri and even if he wasn't, BSM (combined with Naruto's training over 2 years) had a perfectly feasible amount of power for Naruto to beat Toneri in the way that he did.

Tenseigan and Toneri are not fodder nor are they filler.
 

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He got one shot by kcm Naruto.

Which Raikage could fodderize 7 out of 10 times lmao.

This ***** weak. Trained experienced KCM or not he still weak.

EDIT: Naruto weak as well having fought Kaguya, Madara, and Sasuke .. then to struggle with this fodder is pathetic.
 

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Because they are mad Byakugan surpassed Sharingan.

He got one shot by kcm Naruto.

Which Raikage could fodderize 7 out of 10 times lmao.

This ***** weak. Trained experienced KCM or not he still weak.

Wasn't KCM Naruo at all. Seems like you didn't even read the OP.
 

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Naruto beat him using the power of love, durrrr. He said so and was very explicit about it.
 

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The Tenseigan is a powerful dojustu, theres no denying it. Its just that Toneri is nothing but some weak fodder unicorn :|. Got solo'd by base Naruto BSM punch.
 
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Who cares it's filler.
 

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wait i overhyped him
he got fodderized by KCSM Naruto
 

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Tenseigan isn't weak.

Toneri made it look weak.
 

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Because they are mad Byakugan surpassed Sharingan.



Wasn't KCM Naruo at all. Seems like you didn't even read the OP.

I didn't :3

Doesn't matter though it wasn't his strongest form. Also there's really no difference to what he's done from late kcm to bm to bsm. He changed in RM though, got stronger.
 

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Too much to read, I'll just answer your title.

I haven't seen the movie yet but I've come across many spoilers and I think its because Naruto didn't use his Jubi Mode. If Toneri can cut the Moon in half then hes not weak and nothing more needs to be said. Anyone who says otherwise is a hater.
 

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He got one shot by kcm Naruto.

EDIT: Naruto weak as well having fought Kaguya, Madara, and Sasuke .. then to struggle with this fodder is pathetic.
He didnt struggle, he had problems with the Tenseigan hax abilities like Moon busting sword and chakra draining techs. PLus he didnt go all out.
 

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No one cares about that filler movie.

And that fodder Toneri got oneshot by Naruto.
 

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Don't listen to the haters, toneri isn't weak, he is just not as strong as maddy and kaguya.
 

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Got rekt by BSM Naruto

He got one shot by kcm Naruto.

Which Raikage could fodderize 7 out of 10 times lmao.

This ***** weak. Trained experienced KCM or not he still weak.

EDIT: Naruto weak as well having fought Kaguya, Madara, and Sasuke .. then to struggle with this fodder is pathetic.

There you go

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I didn't :3

Doesn't matter though it wasn't his strongest form. Also there's really no difference to what he's done from late kcm to bm to bsm. He changed in RM though, got stronger.

Nu-uh. Naruto was using Kurama's chakra, Hagoromo's , and Nature chakra. You forget that Naruto can access his Rikudo abilities w/o being in Six Path Sage mode [when he saved gai and engaged Madara in abttle w/ Lava RasenShuriken, he was using powers of Rikudo Sage mode, yet he was in base], and seeing as how we saw him flying in the movie, it's clear he WAS in fact using his Rikudo powers, and going off his + sign eyes, was also using Sage mode and Kurama's chakra.

Naruto in BSM was already fighting Juubito fairly well, so Toneri losing to a more experienced Naruto who is using all 3 of his chakras isn't something disgraceful.
 

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Don't listen to the haters, toneri isn't weak, he is just not as strong as maddy and kaguya.

People call him fodder becoz he was introduced after Kaguya and Maddy but it was Naruto who got nerfed to fight him and still solo'd him
 

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Nu-uh. Naruto was using Kurama's chakra, Hagoromo's , and Nature chakra. You forget that Naruto can access his Rikudo abilities w/o being in Six Path Sage mode [when he saved gai and engaged Madara in abttle w/ Lava RasenShuriken, he was using powers of Rikudo Sage mode, yet he was in base], and seeing as how we saw him flying in the movie, it's clear he WAS in fact using his Rikudo powers, and going off his + sign eyes, was also using Sage mode and Kurama's chakra.

Naruto in BSM was already fighting Juubito fairly well, so Toneri losing to a more experienced Naruto who is using all 3 of his chakras isn't something disgraceful.



Naruto didn't even use any of his one shit jutsus
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You want toneri to look strong but Manga naruto > some movie naruto :leaf:

Pls show me confirmation of him using Rikoudo mode
 

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Naruto didn't even use any of his one shit jutsus
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You want toneri to look strong but Manga naruto > some movie naruto :leaf:

Pls show me confirmation of him using Rikoudo mode

Adding Naruto was using regular SM[as he had SM marks below his eyes] not Rikudo SM
 
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