[VS] Jiraiya vs. Kakuzu

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Location: Amegakure Tower
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Starting distance: 50 m

Scenario 2: SM Jiraiya vs. Kakuzu and Deidara

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dat art... too glorious...losing consciousness...*thud*
 

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Kakuzu wins medium difficulty against base

Could go either way in Sage Mode of course my bias leans towards Kakuzu i'd put an argument against one for SM J man
 

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- vs. Kakuzu

Jiraiya wins with medium difficulty. The only monster that has shown the ability to fly is the wind mask, and even that has to come down to fuse with the fire mask to use the combo, since it probably can't support both its own weight, and the weight of the fire mask. Yomi Numa traps Kakuzu and at least 2 of his 3 masks, forcing Kakuzu to use Gian to counter the swamp. Shadow clones can be made to counter other masks' attacks if need be. During this time, Jiraiya either douses Kakuzu's general area with oil and incinerates them with katon, or leaps up and crushes the hearts with Food Cart Destroyer. Should Kakuzu survive, a simple Rasengan ends him.

Thank you #Based copy and paste, drop points if you wish. I'm not going to debate Sage Jiraiya against Kakuzu.
 

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Jiraiya beats Kakuzu w/ ease, and he takes out Deidara and Kakuzu mid-high diff as long as he can make it into Sage Mode. If not, he loses.
 

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Base Jiraiya beats Kakuzu.
SM beats Kakuzu and Deidara.
 

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What does Jiraiya have on C4 though? Sure he can sense it but he doesn't have any Minato speed. (possibly Needle Jizo, but those things are really tiny so I'm not sure)
 

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Jiraiya wins with medium difficulty. The only monster that has shown the ability to fly is the wind mask, and even that has to come down to fuse with the fire mask to use the combo,

It had no need to glide at all during its fight? As its jutsu height encompasses a pretty high vertical (Dont forget those trees are ginormous) Also the flame mask has at least been shown to glide - They take off and last for two whole pages in the air (You can see them in the middle panel in the air as well curving and then ultimately changing directions as the last panel is going in a different direction which is evident that they can do more then fly) So if something that can definitely fly attaches to something that can glide... I don't see how it would make any difference here even if it can't fly as fast or as high its jutsu's range clearly makes up for that dis advantage if there is one.

since it probably can't support both its own weight, and the weight of the fire mask. Yomi Numa traps Kakuzu and at least 2 of his 3 masks, forcing Kakuzu to use Gian to counter the swamp.

Why does he need to use gian? His katon would suffice not to mention again they've all been shown to go aerial for a good amount of time, so its doubtful that he'll trap more then one thing at a time especially since they'll spread out here. J man is a sannin Kakuzu won't merely be trying to obtain a heart here like he was against team ten and Kakashi. Katon would harden the mud thus allowing him to break free with domu

Shadow clones can be made to counter other masks' attacks if need be. During this time, Jiraiya either douses Kakuzu's general area with oil and incinerates them with katon,

The grand total of one shadow clone he's shown to make my man? It would get pawned by gian upon creation.

Domu takes any and all of J mans katons. Oil merely hastens the spread of a flame does it not perhaps adding a bit more force to the eruption of the flames, however wind fuels it gives it more oxygen making the flames more potent along with giving it added combustion force I don't see how it could even stalemate Kakuzu's not to mention over power it. So yeah that can counter if needed

or leaps up and crushes the hearts with Food Cart Destroyer. Should Kakuzu survive, a simple Rasengan ends him.

Ah so you're smart enough to know that he needs to be above I see im impressed most do not, I mean Kakuzu's domu can tank. It would be extremely unpleasant for a toad to have solid carbon inserting itself into its backside. If for some reason he can't feel Kakuzu well he'd get up and Kakuzu would be free either way thats not the way to go, nor would it damage masks as they've already shown to tank an extreme force Nah crushing force isn't the way to go against a guy who's threads can alter shape and form to cushion and take the force of almost any impact.

As for rasengan well, its not a move that can cause damage to ones heart, again the threads from Kakuzu's insides could even creep out and halt the rotation of it even if it comes into contact with Kakuzu rendering it useless. Either way it may throw Kakuzu back a bit but its not doing any internal damge to his one and only organ.. the heart


Thank you #Based copy and paste, drop points if you wish. I'm not going to debate Sage Jiraiya against Kakuzu.

Pitty as I have official debating experience with SM J-Man base is mere childs play
 

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What does Jiraiya have on C4 though? Sure he can sense it but he doesn't have any Minato speed. (possibly Needle Jizo, but those things are really tiny so I'm not sure)

Fukasaku(or Shima) can destroy them with futon, or Bunta/Jiraiya with oil/fire combo.

And if you're wondering what's holding off Kakuzu during this, Shima summoning the toad army would keep Kakuzu busy for long enough to beat Deidara.

I question if Jiraiya can take Kakuzu in base..I do think he could get to SM vs Kakuzu though..but if you were to restrict SM altogether and make it base Jiraiya vs Kakuzu, then it becomes interesting.

Without SM restricted, both scenarios are relatively easy wins for Jiraiya.
 

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Fukasaku(or Shima) can destroy them with futon, or Bunta/Jiraiya with oil/fire combo.

And if you're wondering what's holding off Kakuzu during this, Shima summoning the toad army would keep Kakuzu busy for long enough to beat Deidara.

I question if Jiraiya can take Kakuzu in base..I do think he could get to SM vs Kakuzu though..but if you were to restrict SM altogether and make it base Jiraiya vs Kakuzu, then it becomes interesting.

Without SM restricted, both scenarios are relatively easy wins for Jiraiya.

@Bold
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@Bold
You should elaborate.

Because then they're actually in the same general skill level. SM Jiraiya is leaps and bounds above Kakuzu in power. Gama Rinsho, Gama Hyoro, Kawazu Naki, rasengan variants, Shima summoning the toad army, frog kata, stamina for days, ninjutsu that not only matches but surpasses Kakuzu's...

When you take that away from Jiraiya, he loses the toad army(given most people won't grant him the ability to summon all 3 toads, although I don't see why he wouldn't be able to..maybe not all at once like Shima, but separately), so he's stuck with one which would likely be Bunta. Kakuzu regains the strength/CQC advantage. No end game genjutsu from Gama Rinsho. No paralyzation from kawazu naki. He would still be able to use Gama Hyoro, but Kakuzu would likely only lose a mask from that, given I wouldn't expect him to send his self in to the trap, so that only helps so much. No frog kata(which feeds in to Kakuzu regaining the hand to hand or CQC advantage). Non-senpou enhanced ninjutsu feats are limited. Gamayu Endan would overwhelm any of Kakuzu's ninjutsu, but it wouldn't kill Kakuzu himself.

Kakuzu's threads can combat Jiraiya's hair in base as well.

It just becomes much closer overall when you restrict SM for Jiraiya. Cause in SM, he blows Kakuzu away.
 

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Base Jiraiya ain't shit. Kakuzu wins mid-high diff.

SM Jiraiya wins mid diff.
 

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Eh only thing that I can see giving SM Jiraiya the advantage is his two toad companions, other then that they're not too far off as well my man
 

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Eh only thing that I can see giving SM Jiraiya the advantage is his two toad companions, other then that they're not too far off as well my man

Well, yeah, those two toad companions give him one of the greatest genjutsus in the manga, extra ninjutsu to go on top of his katon/doton abilities, Shima can summon the entire toad army, they have the ability to paralyze opponents, Shima's version of Zessen can shoot out acid, Fukasaku's can cut through just about anything..

The difference between SM Jiraiya and base Jiraiya is more or less those two toads(granted he gets physical upgrades too, but that isn't the significant difference in his abilities), so that's pretty much saying what I just said.
 

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Well, yeah, those two toad companions give him one of the greatest genjutsus in the manga, extra ninjutsu to go on top of his katon/doton abilities, Shima can summon the entire toad army, they have the ability to paralyze opponents, Shima's version of Zessen can shoot out acid, Fukasaku's can cut through just about anything..

The difference between SM Jiraiya and base Jiraiya is more or less those two toads(granted he gets physical upgrades too, but that isn't the significant difference in his abilities), so that's pretty much saying what I just said.

The gejutsu isn't a problem although summoning is a bit trollish but toads can be taken care of. Its merely their quick slicing jutsu that cause Kakuzu problems, acid and tongue two things that would **** Kakuzu's day up everything else SM has is relatively easy to counter for Kakuzu ( Ok not easy pretty damn hard) But those two things just match up wise suck for kakuzu

Oh and maybe CORasengan as well although its debatable
 

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Jiraiya wins first scenario. Potentially loses second.
 

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The gejutsu isn't a problem although summoning is a bit trollish but toads can be taken care of. Its merely their quick slicing jutsu that cause Kakuzu problems, acid and tongue two things that would **** Kakuzu's day up everything else SM has is relatively easy to counter for Kakuzu ( Ok not easy pretty damn hard) But those two things just match up wise suck for kakuzu

Oh and maybe CORasengan as well although its debatable


Unless my memory is incorrect on how those hearts operate, genjutsu is most definitely a problem. If the genjutsu hits Kakuzu, it completely paralyzes his mind and body, and he's no longer able to control the hearts, so they'd be paralyzed too. Even if you want to argue they can move without Kakuzu being able to do anything/control them, it becomes a lot easier for Jiraiya/Fukasaku/Shima to cut them down without Kakuzu getting in the way, and that genjutsu lasts on the opponent until Fukasaku/Shima decide to lift it, so that's not a worry.

Saying the "toads can be taken care of" as if they're an after thought is a bit foolish. Gamahiro doesn't really have any significant abilities to worry about but he's decent with his swords. Gamaken is monster in CQC. Bunta is ridiculously fast for his size and has elemental abilities of his own. You could also grant Gamakichi in full size to this fight, but I'll assume for the sake of the argument that SM Jiraiya is only granted the toads that would have been usable when he was alive. While none of them by themselves present much of an issue to Kakuzu, all 3 together with SM Jiraiya most certainly do. The masks having to worry about being struck by Hiro/Gen/Bunta or shot down by Bunta's oil or suiton is a big factor.

And it being trollish isn't something I'll argue, but I didn't give her the ability to do it. That's Kishi for you.
 
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