[Discussion] Sanji Vs Vergo (All things considered READ OP)

[Tomato God]

Look at the condition of sanji when he fought vergo

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Befor they evven clashed he was tired and on his last leg a hit from nami was all it took to put him down. Really sanji was at most 10% when he fought vergo, tired and already beaten.
He was still fast enough to Soru+Geppu Vergo in the face

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Then got beat up some more
AND THEN GOT HIS LEG CRACKED
But still was fighting on equal footing.

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Vergo didnt even manage to hit him back once.

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Only at 10% But he still managed to fight on equal footing land two solid blows. Break his leg. Still not get hit And Save a guy/
If sanji was at 100% what do you think the outcome of that fight would have been

 

[Punk Hazard]

At full power, Sanji would have still lost. Vergo didn't use any Koka, Rokushiki, or his bamboo. Vergo doesn't even specialize in kicking like Sanji does.

Vergo didn't even hit Sanji back? He cracked Sanji's leg, what hits did Sanji get in?

 

[Complex]

Sanji would have lost

 

[Complex]

At full power, Sanji would have still lost. Vergo didn't use any Koka, Rokushiki, or his bamboo. Vergo doesn't even specialize in kicking like Sanji does.

Vergo didn't even hit Sanji back? He cracked Sanji's leg, what hits did Sanji get in?

Thread already solo'd

 

[Bogard]

Befor they evven clashed he was tired and on his last leg a hit from nami was all it took to put him down. Really sanji was at most 10% when he fought vergo, tired and already beaten.
He was still fast enough to Soru+Geppu Vergo in the face

Only at 10% But he still managed to fight on equal footing land two solid blows. Break his leg. Still not get hit And Save a guy/
If sanji was at 100% what do you think the outcome of that fight would have been

Okay :| You realise that Usopp was in the range of the same explosion that hit Sanji's body right? And he seemed relatively fine. Unless you think Usopp has better durability than Sanji now after the timeskip, what you're saying is ridiculous. Not to mention, what Rikerslade said

 

[Tomato God]

At full power, Sanji would have still lost. Vergo didn't use any Koka, Rokushiki, or his bamboo. Vergo doesn't even specialize in kicking like Sanji does.

Vergo didn't even hit Sanji back? He cracked Sanji's leg, what hits did Sanji get in?

Vergo Cracked sanji's leg because sanji blocked a kick. Then sanji proceded to dodge every attack Vergo had. Plus sanji is faster than as proved by when he flew in and kicked him in the face.
Plus sanji can dodge every attack like he did with every attack but the block.
And he managed to dodge every attack with a broken leg! Even if Vergo used koka and his bamboo and Roshiku he wouldn't be able to hit Sanji as demonstrated.

 

[-immortal-]

At full power, Sanji would have still lost. Vergo didn't use any Koka, Rokushiki, or his bamboo. Vergo doesn't even specialize in kicking like Sanji does.

Vergo didn't even hit Sanji back? He cracked Sanji's leg, what hits did Sanji get in?

That was quick

 

[Tomato God]

Okay :| You realise that Usopp was in the range of the same explosion that hit Sanji's body right? And he seemed relatively fine. Unless you think Usopp has better durability than Sanji now after the timeskip, what you're saying is ridiculous. Not to mention, what Rikerslade said

First of all Sanji was bleeding and bruised. He had blood coming out of his face bro?
And ontop of that Usopp wasnt doing anything but running he could have been in worse shape. we havent seen what he was like
Thats why nami could put him down with a punch.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Vergo Cracked sanji's leg because sanji blocked a kick. Then sanji proceded to dodge every attack Vergo had. Plus sanji is faster than as proved by when he flew in and kicked him in the face.
Plus sanji can dodge every attack like he did with every attack but the block.
And he managed to dodge every attack with a broken leg! Even if Vergo used koka and his bamboo and Roshiku he wouldn't be able to hit Sanji as demonstrated.

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This panel, with Vergo using Koka, would have lead to Sanji's defeat, full strength or not. There's no ¨Oh Sanji was dodging everything¨ when there's a panel clearly showing the two striking each other's legs, meaning there were moments of impact, moments that would have broken Sanji if Vergo had bothered to use Koka.

 

[Tomato God]

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This panel, with Vergo using Koka, would have lead to Sanji's defeat, full strenght or not.

All I see in that panel is Vergo being stalemated by weak one leg broken sanji.

 

[Bogard]

First of all Sanji was bleeding and bruised. He had blood coming out of his face bro?
And ontop of that Usopp wasnt doing anything but running he could have been in worse shape. we havent seen what he was like
Thats why nami could put him down with a punch.

Usopp had enough strength to fight some marines alongside Zoro later on in the arc, but it doesn't really matter. The fact remain that someone like Usopp, that Oda depicted to represent a normal human, survived that explosion with minor bruises and enough strength to jump and run over the place like nothing. So for someone like Sanji who is supposed to possess superhuman strength, these minor things shouldn't even handicap him at all, unless he either grew old after the timeskip or Usopp is the one who got a greater body development

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

If this was all things considered Sanji would have gotten WRECKED

 

[Punk Hazard]

All I see in that panel is Vergo being stalemated by weak one leg broken sanji.

Add full body-Koka and Oni Take to that panel, rather than Vergo holding back while fighting in an area he doesn't even specialize in.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

It all comes down to CoA. If Sanji's CoA is as bad as Zoro's CoO, which I expect to be the case, then he has no chance of defeating him. Sanji was also so overmatched by Vergo's kick, which wasn't coated with haki, and Vergo isn't even a kicking specialist. What Sanji needs to do is improve his CoA, and focus more on dodging attacks rather than blocking. Oda hasn't been utilizing Sanji's speed as well as he could. Sanji wouldn't have a hcance against Vergo, nor would he against Pica. While Sanji would've definitely been able to pinpoint the actual body quicker, I don't think his techniques are powerful enough to dislodge Pica. but even if he could the way Zoro did, I don't see any way Sanji would be able to beat his FBH.

tl;dr Sanji needs to work on his CoA desperately before he can really start being successful.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

At full power, Sanji would have still lost. Vergo didn't use any Koka, Rokushiki, or his bamboo. Vergo doesn't even specialize in kicking like Sanji does.

Vergo didn't even hit Sanji back? He cracked Sanji's leg, what hits did Sanji get in?

sanji didn't use his haki neither did he use both legs diable jambe

OT:great thread ,excatly what i wanted people to know

 

[Tomato God]

Add full body-Koka and Oni Take to that panel, rather than Vergo holding back while fighting in an area he doesn't even specialize in.

Add A fully preped and Healthy sanji and none of that matters. Sanji wasn't using HM or DJ in that pannel or Haki.

So for all intents and purposes Sanji with a broken leg is strong enough to go toe to toe with Vergo

AND THEN STILL USE GEPPU.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Usopp had enough strength to fight some marines alongside Zoro later on in the arc, but it doesn't really matter. The fact remain that someone like Usopp, that Oda depicted to represent a normal human, survived that explosion with minor bruises and enough strength to jump and run over the place like nothing. So for someone like Sanji who is supposed to possess superhuman strength, these minor things shouldn't even handicap him at all, unless he either grew old after the timeskip or Usopp is the one who got a greater body development

You're actually underestimating ussop's durability,he's one of the most durable fighters in the straw hats,and no oda never represented him as an normal human specifically

EDIT:based on the current feats I would say they're tie or vergo would win extreme diff

 

[Punk Hazard]

sanji didn't use his haki neither did he use both legs diable jambe

OT:great thread ,excatly what i wanted people to know

Add A fully preped and Healthy sanji and none of that matters. Sanji wasn't using HM or DJ in that pannel or Haki.

So for all intents and purposes Sanji with a broken leg is strong enough to go toe to toe with Vergo

AND THEN STILL USE GEPPU.

We don't even know how strong Sanji's Haki is or if he can even use Koka.
When Sanji used Diable Jambe on Vergo, it did nothing to him because of Tekkai. By portrayal, Haki>Tekkai, so a Haki-clad Vergo would have handled he Diable Jambe just as well. Hell Memories would do some minor damage, nothing major.

Sanji with a cracked leg was able to clash with Vergo who wasn't using his best ability, his main weapon/fighting style or Rokushiki. Vergo was held back far more than Sanji was.

 

[Tomato God]

We don't even know how strong Sanji's Haki is or if he can even use Koka.
When Sanji used Diable Jambe on Vergo, it did nothing to him because of Tekkai. By portrayal, Haki>Tekkai, so a Haki-clad Vergo would have handled he Diable Jambe just as well. Hell Memories would do some minor damage, nothing major.

Sanji with a cracked leg was able to clash with Vergo who wasn't using his best ability, his main weapon/fighting style or Rokushiki. Vergo was held back far more than Sanji was.

Sanji at less tahn his best was = Vergo at less than his best so why is this such an obvious win for vergo?

And sanji has to be able to use Koka Cause luffy said he was one of the three straw hats who could use it.

When Sanji used DJ on Vergo it put him through a wall and busted his face all types of up. He felt it and made it clear he felt it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sanji at less tahn his best was = Vergo at less than his best so why is this such an obvious win for vergo?

And sanji has to be able to use Koka Cause luffy said he was one of the three straw hats who could use it.

When Sanji used DJ on Vergo it put him through a wall and busted his face all types of up. He felt it and made it clear he felt it.

Because all you can add for Sanji is some more energy and Hell Memories, while Vergo still has his upper body, Haki, Koka, full-body Koka and his bamboo. Vergo was far more restricted.

Actually, we've seen attacks someone to spit up blood and it being described as superfluous. Law's Counter Shock busted up Vergo's face, and this is what he had to say about it

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Doffy spit up blood with Red Hawk, but it meant nothing to him. Garp's face was bleeding from Luffy's punch even more than Vergo's was from Sanji's kick. Was pre-skip Luffy pretty close to Garp then.

We know he can use Busoshoku, but to what extent is completely unknown, therefore it's a non-factor.