[Discussion] Sanji Vs Vergo (All things considered READ OP)

[Tomato God]

Because all you can add for Sanji is some more energy and Hell Memories, while Vergo still has his upper body, Haki, Koka, full-body Koka and his bamboo. Vergo was far more restricted.

Actually, we've seen attacks someone to spit up blood and it being described as superfluous. Law's Counter Shock busted up Vergo's face, and this is what he had to say about it

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Doffy spit up blood with Red Hawk, but it meant nothing to him. Garp's face was bleeding from Luffy's punch even more than Vergo's was from Sanji's kick. Was pre-skip Luffy pretty close to Garp then.

We know he can use Busoshoku, but to what extent is completely unknown, therefore it's a non-factor.

We know Vergo gets stronger if he uses his upper body but to what extent is completely unknown, therefore it's a non-factor.


Look the same apply's for all that.
Sanji With both his legs and haki and HM VS All out Vergo is debatable
And from the outcome of that first fight
Vergo (The aggressor) And Sanji (The Defendant) Sanji clearly was the winner. Sanji managed to save everyone vergo was trying to kill meaning that A Crippled sanji Can get his job done better than a Half assed vergo
So Why Can't a full strength sanji beat an all out vergo

 

[Venomous Cobra]

We don't even know how strong Sanji's Haki is or if he can even use Koka.
When Sanji used Diable Jambe on Vergo, it did nothing to him because of Tekkai. By portrayal, Haki>Tekkai, so a Haki-clad Vergo would have handled he Diable Jambe just as well. Hell Memories would do some minor damage, nothing major.

Sanji with a cracked leg was able to clash with Vergo who wasn't using his best ability, his main weapon/fighting style or Rokushiki. Vergo was held back far more than Sanji was.

do you have a prove that tekkai>haki?besdies sanji's diable jambe burned tekkai

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and actually the blood came out of vergo'd mouth when sanji kicked ,not to mention it left a mark on him

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The diable jambe kicks were obviously doing damaged which is why vergo got serious afterwards
anti matter kick with daible jambe and haki would heavenly damage verggo if not break his bones
this kick was able to deflect oz bazooka and I'm pretty sure that's storng enough to land some damage,also vergo got blitzed by sky walk so I don't really think thqt he can react to its speed

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[ultraChalk]

Tie. Or Vergo, with very high diff. I think Sanji is being underrated here though.

I would like to remind you all that even after fighting Law, Mingo commended Sanji for his casual dash kick and said 'ah... FINALLY, a tough one'. And he even said that his attack was 'powerful stuff' later on.

I think that Sanji can dodge most, if not all of his attacks.
I think that they're either even in terms of firepower, or Vergo has the edge. Whatever the case I don't think the gap is huge, or at least as big as everyone itt is making it to be.
But, Vergos bamboo adds to his versatility... By a lot.
I believe that Vergo is more durable.

 

[OG sama]

They both werent going all out. But Vergo should definitely get the win, FBH + bamboo that should be enough. Law had to resort to his strongest slash yet to cut the man in half.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

They both werent going all out. But Vergo should definitely get the win, FBH + bamboo that should be enough. Law had to resort to his strongest slash yet to cut the man in half.

If you mean the strongest slash that he used so far then i agree but definitely not his strongest,law's potential is still far more amazing

 

[OG sama]

If you mean the strongest slash that he used so far then i agree but definitely not his strongest,law's potential is still far more amazing

Yeah I meant that we have seen. Imagine EOS Law, he could probably make birdcage sized rooms. Lord that would be OP.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Alright, before either of you come with this ¨Sanji marked/bloodied Vergo's face, so obviously he can be a good match for Vergo at full strength¨ bullshit, a weakened, beaten-up, tired pre-skip Luffy did this to a 100% Garp's face.

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We know Vergo gets stronger if he uses his upper body but to what extent is completely unknown, therefore it's a non-factor.


Look the same apply's for all that.
Sanji With both his legs and haki and HM VS All out Vergo is debatable
And from the outcome of that first fight
Vergo (The aggressor) And Sanji (The Defendant) Sanji clearly was the winner. Sanji managed to save everyone vergo was trying to kill meaning that A Crippled sanji Can get his job done better than a Half assed vergo
So Why Can't a full strength sanji beat an all out vergo

Sorry, doesn't work that way. We've seen Vergo's physical ability with his upper body, therefore, it is a factor. We've seen nothing of Sanji's Busoshoku. I could say he has no Koka. I could say his Koka would get shattered by Vergo's. And there's nothing proving it false, or correct. That's why it's a nonfactor.

They were both being offensive. I don't see how Sanji was completely on the defensive when he initiated the battle, and they were both attacking and defending. All we can give Sanji is some more energy, some more durability, and Hell Memories. We already saw that Diable Jambe didn't work on Vergo's Tekkai, and his Koka is even stronger than that as Haki is portrayed to be a stronger ability than Tekkai. There was no winner, Vergo got word that Law was getting into the SAD room, which was his main priority, so he was able to just leave and Sanji could do nothing to stop it. Vergo left with no lasting damage(the blood and bruises on his face were completely gone) while Sanji had trouble standing on his leg. If there was a winner, it was Vergo.

Vergo wins because all Sanji held back was Hell Memories, while Vergo held back Rokushiki, his main weapon, his strongest ability and fought in a style he doesn't specialize in, meaning that wasn't even gonna be his best performance. Vergo had much more to add to the equation than Sanji did, which is why Vergo is above him.

do you have a prove that tekkai>haki?besdies sanji's diable jambe burned tekkai

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and actually the blood came out of vergo'd mouth when sanji kicked ,not to mention it left a mark on him

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The diable jambe kicks were obviously doing damaged which is why vergo got serious afterwards
anti matter kick with daible jambe and haki would heavenly damage verggo if not break his bones
this kick was able to deflect oz bazooka and I'm pretty sure that's storng enough to land some damage,also vergo got blitzed by sky walk so I don't really think thqt he can react to its speed

Vergo allowed Sanji's Sky Walk kick to strike him because he knew he could tank it. Vergo had sufficient reaction time to keep up with Law's Shambles, you're underestimating Vergo entirely.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Alright, before either of you come with this ¨Sanji marked/bloodied Vergo's face, so obviously he can be a good match for Vergo at full strength¨ bullshit, a weakened, beaten-up, tired pre-skip Luffy did this to a 100% Garp's face.

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Sorry, doesn't work that way. We've seen Vergo's physical ability with his upper body, therefore, it is a factor. We've seen nothing of Sanji's Busoshoku. I could say he has no Koka. I could say his Koka would get shattered by Vergo's. And there's nothing proving it false, or correct. That's why it's a nonfactor.

They were both being offensive. I don't see how Sanji was completely on the defensive when he initiated the battle, and they were both attacking and defending. All we can give Sanji is some more energy, some more durability, and Hell Memories. We already saw that Diable Jambe didn't work on Vergo's Tekkai, and his Koka is even stronger than that as Haki is portrayed to be a stronger ability than Tekkai. There was no winner, Vergo got word that Law was getting into the SAD room, which was his main priority, so he was able to just leave and Sanji could do nothing to stop it. Vergo left with no lasting damage(the blood and bruises on his face were completely gone) while Sanji had trouble standing on his leg. If there was a winner, it was Vergo.

Vergo wins because all Sanji held back was Hell Memories, while Vergo held back Rokushiki, his main weapon, his strongest ability and fought in a style he doesn't specialize in, meaning that wasn't even gonna be his best performance. Vergo had much more to add to the equation than Sanji did, which is why Vergo is above him.


Vergo allowed Sanji's Sky Walk kick to strike him because he knew he could tank it. Vergo had sufficient reaction time to keep up with Law's Shambles, you're underestimating Vergo entirely.

Its because law was focusing on his heart which is why he got distracted and got hti.and unlike vergo garb allowed luffy to do that even sengoku know but in this case you used an assumption that vergo knew that he could block it and that's why he didn't but obviously you have no prove for that claim,am i wrong?

and actually ivankov brought back luffy's strengh to 100% with the hormone thing


and again sanji held back his haki and double diable jambe

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Yeah I meant that we have seen. Imagine EOS Law, he could probably make birdcage sized rooms. Lord that would be OP.

law's ability is quit invincible ,it can only be countered by speed

 

[Punk Hazard]

Its because law was focusing on his heart which is why he got distracted and got hti.and unlike vergo garb allowed luffy to do that even sengoku know but in this case you used an assumption that vergo knew that he could block it and that's why he didn't but obviously you have no prove for that claim,am i wrong?


and again sanji held back his haki and double diable jambe

One Diable Jambe did nothing to Vergo. 2x0 is still 0.

Doesn't matter if Garp let Luffy do it. He can't make his skin less tough or more tough unless he uses Haki, which he obviously didn't. The point is, a bloody face does not equal can defeat.

Nope, we've seen Vergo just taking attacks he could have avoided, including Sanji's kicks, Smoker's punches, and Counter Shock.

Even if Law was focused on his heart, it's not that Vergo had the ability to strike Law that fast really, but that he was able to process everything fast enough to allow him to realize the heart had been teleported, where it was going, and make the conscience decision to move in that direction all before the teleportation was complete.

 

[ministerC4]

That kick soloes.
All Sanji needs is a sword tbh.

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

Vergo would win. Give him that Bamboo and have him go all out with haki and the CP9 iron body I don't see how Sanji stands a chance.

 

[A v i]

Riker and Bogard pretty much killed this thread.

 

[Tomato God]

Vergo would win. Give him that Bamboo and have him go all out with haki and the CP9 iron body I don't see how Sanji stands a chance.

He was using Iron mass.

 

[Qazim]

Sanji is shit
Vergo is a beast
Vergo wins

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

He was using Iron mass.

And Sanji didn't do much damage when he did it. With the haki too Sanji would do little to no damage.

 

[Hexuze]

Vergo still wins, what is this lol? He got outclassed pretty easily and he ate up his DJ like it's nothing. Vergo was clashing with him no problem and fractured his leg without using CoA. Sanji needs better defenses & CoA feats. Sanji pushes him to mid-diff.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

-Sanji was already injured before hand
-Sanji didn't use CoA
-Sanji didn't use double diable jambe or hell memories
-Sanji got his leg fractured because he didn't expect Vergo's kick to be so strong
-Sanji, even with a weak body and fractured leg, matched Vergo's kicks, dodged some of his moves, landed a clean hit to Vergo's gut and didn't get hit once.

-Vergo didn't use CoA
-Vergo didn't use his bamboo stick

I don't know but all this is saying Sanji>Vergo....

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Not even zoro or luffy would be able to beat vergo 1v1 only reason law beat him is because of his DF....you can't beat vergo with brute strength because he is too fast and he is basically a walking tank

 

[Tomato God]

And Sanji didn't do much damage when he did it. With the haki too Sanji would do little to no damage.

Sanji broke his iron mass with his opening DJ. Thats why vergo was bleeding.