Hokage Kakashi vs Tsunade

[MAN OF SIN]

Hokage Kakashi is faster thats it. I hope kakashi becomes the new white fang later. That would be awesome. But atm Granny wins

Tsunade landed a hit on Edo Madara after taking damage from that lightspeed Jutsu.

Kakashi's combat knowladge and analyzing skills are way above Tsunade's. In close combats Kakashi could fool her easily with Lightning clone as he did fool Pein who wields Rinnegan which can see chakra. If Tsunade decides to play Katsuyu card, Kakashi can simply fry it with lightning release. I am no expert at biology but slugs with all mukus and liquid body structure should be weak against lightning.

Katsuyu survived Pain attacks and a small piece of her didn't burn from 6-8tailed Naruto's chakra.

 

[Selan]

Sharinganless Kakashi has no precognition but he is still far faster than Tsunade. He is smarter, more versatile and more skilled as a pure fighter. He dodges her hits, then fools her with a Raiton Kage Bunshin who he makes her hit. She is paralyzed and then he throws a Raikiri kunai to rip his head in pieces, or just decapitates her with Raiden. Katsuyu is basically made of water, he easily fries her with Raiju Tsuiga spam.

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

the 6th takes it med to high diff

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Sharinganless Kakashi has no precognition but he is still far faster than Tsunade. He is smarter, more versatile and more skilled as a pure fighter. He dodges her hits, then fools her with a Raiton Kage Bunshin who he makes her hit. She is paralyzed and then he throws a Raikiri kunai to rip his head in pieces, or just decapitates her with Raiden. Katsuyu is basically made of water, he easily fries her with Raiju Tsuiga spam.

Read the post above you.

 

[Black Wolf]

Yeah, she hit Madara thanks to conveniently being teleported within striking range. It isn't due to her speed that she got there but due to Mabui's technique. That has literally zero bearing on Tsunade's movement speed, which is ranked at a below average 3.5 as of DB3 (alongside the likes of VoTE Sasuke from Part I).

Katsuyu tanking a blunt force attack says nothing on how she'd react to being fried or cut by Raiton. Kakashi took three Shinra Tensei's against Pain, several of which leveled the the surrounding buildings, yet nobody will say Kakashi can take a Chidori to the chest and survive.

Naruto's clothes also survived the Kyuubi chakra.

 

[Team7monaa]

Tsunade distracts him with a Medium sized Katsuyu and jumps in to attack.
She either outlast him and crushes his skull or reconfigures his nerves and destroys his body.
Tsunade Mid-Diff.

 

[Black Wolf]

Because Katsuyu has the speed and combat feats necessary to distract Kakashi.

Katsuyu is casually avoided and / or fried and cut with Raiton. Completely featless slug that's done nothing but lose in a handicap match where it had both Jiraiya and Gamabunta helping it isn't going to be outspeeding or hampering a known speedster.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

I'm one of the biggest Kakashi fans on this site. He needs the sharingan to beat Tsuna.

 

[Black Wolf]

Being a fan of a given character shouldn't really make one's verdict any stronger or weaker, and has absolutely no place being mentioned in a debate thread unless it's for comprised objectivity.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Being a fan of a given character shouldn't really make one's verdict any stronger or weaker, and has absolutely no place being mentioned in a debate thread unless it's for comprised objectivity.

No, it means that I know precisely what his strengths and weaknesses are better than most, so I have a better idea of he he can win against, and who he loses to. By the way, there's this thing called the reply function.

 

[Black Wolf]

Then list those strengths and weaknesses rather than just stating you're the "biggest Kakashi fan on this site" to justify your verdict. Debate threads are objective and shouldn't involve who you like or don't like.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I'm one of the biggest Kakashi fans on this site. He needs the sharingan to beat Tsuna.

What's stopping clone feints from working? Sharingan or not his clone games tricked ppl superior to her.

Then it's business as usual.

I don't see how he loses, and every time this argument is brought up nobody can counter the extremely simple, raiton clone to raiden setup.

Has she been tricked by clones b4? Yes.
Has kakashi tricked ppl superior to her?yes.
Will she survive raiden?no.

It's real simple how he wins, and it's actually in character for him to win that way.

 

[Black Wolf]

Even Chouza flat out said it's status quo for Kakashi to use Kage Bunshin in battle, so its more than just feats that back Kakashi's tendency to use them but also in manga lore.

 

[Team7monaa]

Because Katsuyu has the speed and combat feats necessary to distract Kakashi.

Katsuyu is casually avoided and / or fried and cut with Raiton. Completely featless slug that's done nothing but lose in a handicap match where it had both Jiraiya and Gamabunta helping it isn't going to be outspeeding or hampering a known speedster.

Katsuyu's acid isn't something to be ignored seeing she can cause massive damage.Tsunade then proceeds to engage in CQC with Byakugou released she can easily outlast him and parry his attacks once he's weak enough she delivers the final attack.

 

[Black Wolf]

Katsuyu's acid was only shown once, and the one time it was it was casually dodged by Manda while he was being harassed by Gamabunta as well.

Of course Tsunade can easily outlast him, but the fight will never come down to that. She gets stunned by a Raiton Kage Bunshin or Raiton: Raiju Tsuiga, and then the real Kakashi reveals himself from underground and bisects her / impales her head, and she isn't regenerating from that.

 

[maniaoqan]

Tsunade landed a hit on Edo Madara after taking damage from that lightspeed Jutsu.

Yeah and what damage did her hit delivered Madara ? I remember Lee cutting Madara in half with pure taijutsu, all Tsunade did was pushing Madara back after he blocked Tsunade's hit.

Katsuyu survived Pain attacks and a small piece of her didn't burn from 6-8tailed Naruto's chakra.

Katsuyu's liquid body structure makes her weak against lightning attacks. You can't put A, B, C logic on this.

 

[Power Bottom]

His only chance is with the sharigan.

Tsunade mid diff to high diff maybe

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Debate threads are always going to involve your favorite characters. I agree with being objective and unbiased as possible, but conversely all I'm seeing in this thread is a lot of fanfic and underestimation of Tsuna's abilities.

1. Kakashi's shunshin is fast, but not fast enough to completely outclass and outfox a medic who herself has good speed, reflexes, and striking speed [

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], specializes in evasion tactics, and has a 5/5 in taijutsu in the databook.

2. W/o 3T precog, Kakashi's reaction speed suffers, since he obviously won't have the foresight and insight to perceive attacks anymore. He's also prone to getting countered mid-raikiri.

3. Tsunade's main affinity is the Lightning Release,

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, let alone enough time for Kakashi to use Raiden.

4. Raikiri and raikiri infused weapons are non factors before Tsunade's Byakugō, considering that

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and started fighting him afterwards. Hell, she can even punch the kunais back with

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5. Really, all Tsunade has to do is punch the shit out of the ground if she finds herself being blitzed by Raiden kage bunshins, or jump, and kick the shit out of the ground. Her leaping power is impressive as shown

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, and mind you that was a rusty Tsunade who hadn't fought in 20 years. The

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from her punches,

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, should send the clones back or send them off course, disrupting the lightning cable's flow.

5. Lord have mercy on Kakashi if he tries to sneak underground, because Tsunade has hightened senses, including an acute sense of hearing that'll let her note Kakashi's movements underground before he even surfaces [

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Clearly, he gets dominated in CQC. None of his jutsu are doing anything, nor are going to be of any use at all against someone who was

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. The only jutsu that might even be a factor is Raiden, but that's easily countered. Bunshins here won't provide much of a window for Kakashi, since Tsunade can handle herself pretty well against fast opponents. No relevant genjutsu outside of the sharingan. Furthermore, can Katsuyu serve as both a foothold and support with by shooting acid, that can make clones poof or give Kakashi a hell of a time if he tries blitzing, since he canonically cannot detain himself while moving at high speeds and using short ranged lightning techs w/o the sharingan.

Tsunade wins with medium difficulty.

 

[Black Wolf]

1. Kakashi's shunshin is fast, but not fast enough to completely outclass and outfox a medic who herself has good speed, reflexes, and striking speed [

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], specializes in evasion tactics, and has a 5/5 in taijutsu in the databook.

She has a 3.5 in speed according to DB3 compared to Kakashi's 4.5. Kakashi has blitzed the likes of Obito before the

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She specializes in evasion tactics, yet she got tagged numerous times by Part I Kabuto and was the only Kage who ended up with swords in her gut against Madara.

This is also a strawman as I never mentioned blitzing. I mentioned tactical usage of Kage Bunshin and Dotons, a tactic that worked against the likes of Itachi and Pain.

2. W/o 3T precog, Kakashi's reaction speed suffers, since he obviously won't have the foresight and insight to perceive attacks anymore. He's also prone to getting countered mid-raikiri.

Again, I never suggested that he will attempt blitzing her without incapacitating her first.

The argument that Kakashi cannot use Raikiri without Sharingan is baseless. All Kakashi needs to do to not get tunnel vision is not Shunshin at speeds that were paralleling 6th gate Gai's speed. If he runs at his regular speed, which is still faster than hers, he won't get tunnel vision as Rasengan and kunai users don't get tunnel vision.

3. Tsunade's main affinity is the Lightning Release,

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, let alone enough time for Kakashi to use Raiden.

Tsunade has never shown a single elemental jutsu in the entire manga, so I have no idea where you're getting that she has a Raiton affinity.

The closest thing to a Raiton she's used is her nerve scrambling technique which isn't classified as a Raiton. That is nowhere near enough to magically assume she can diffuse electric attacks from the likes of a top tier Raiton user. She doesn't get to magically get Sasuke's Raiton diffusion techniques.

4. Raikiri and raikiri infused weapons are non factors before Tsunade's Byakugō, considering that

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and started fighting him afterwards. Hell, she can even punch the kunais back with

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through her fists [

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Kakashi has full knowledge here and he has seen Byakugo in action courtesy of Sakura. Kakashi will aim for her head, and she has absolutely no feats to suggest she can regrow her head. She wasn't able to regrow her legs, and Madara with Hashirama's regen technique (which he directly compared to Byakugo) was unable to regroew his arm.

She cannot punch lightning infused kunai away. Your link is of Kabuto throwing a kunai from a building between Tsunade and Orochimaru; she never touched the kunai. And a normal kunai =/= Raikiri infused kunai.

5. Really, all Tsunade has to do is punch the shit out of the ground if she finds herself being blitzed by Raiden kage bunshins, or jump, and kick the shit out of the ground. Her leaping power is impressive as shown

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, and mind you that was a rusty Tsunade who hadn't fought in 20 years. The

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from her punches,

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, should send the clones back or send them off course, disrupting the lightning cable's flow.

Tsunade punches the ground, and Kakashi casually dodges. She isn't fast enough to hit him, and her strikes aren't exactly inconspicuous. Part I Kabuto and sick Orochimaru dodged her "punch the ground" strategy. Tsunade punches the ground, sends rubble all over the place, and Kakashi uses that as cover to camp underground and send a Raiton clone in his place.

Tsunade has no choice but to try and engage in CQC since she has absolutely no ranged techniques. The Raiton clone will humor her for a while, and when she finally lands a hit on it she will be electrified, allow the real Kakashi to nail her with a Raikiri to the skull. She will be incapacitated when this happens, so she will be unable to punch away anything.

5. Lord have mercy on Kakashi if he tries to sneak underground, because Tsunade has hightened senses, including an acute sense of hearing that'll let her note Kakashi's movements underground before he even surfaces [

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Heightened senses that didn't do a thing for her against Madara.

Again, Kakashi has fooled Dojutsu users with his Dotons; people who wield the Sharingan and Rinnegan. Absolutely nothing suggests that the person who has fallen for Bunshin trickery before will somehow recognize a Bunshin trick from one of the best Bunshin tricksters in the manga.

Tsunade wins with medium difficulty.

Still see nothing that suggests this.

Tsunade falls for Bunshin feints as proven in canon, and regeneration has been proven to have its limits in the manga. Kakashi has seen what Byakugo can do with his own eyes, and will go for more lethal head shots rather than chest shots with that knowledge.

 

[Praydara]

I honestly think people will argue anything to see Tsunade lose... Lol