[Discussion] What difficulty would you place the Zoro vs Pica fight at?

[Peace Maker]

Lol mid dif, it doesnt even deserve a low dif

 

[Anduril]

Mid diff, because pica would not turn around and fight >_>

 

[OG sama]

Hell no that fight wasn't high diff. I mean seriously, saying that fight was high diff sounds like the biggest Zoro downplay ever. The guy got hit once and was never hurt throughout the entirety of the fight. It was a completely one sided fight and Zoro was never in any danger.

Anyone who thinks this was high diff needs to slap themselves and have been reading this fight up side down. No offense to anyone one but this would be mid diff. And even that's being generous because Pica kept running away.

Neither the seats nor Vergo are giving Zoro a tough time. High diff sounds like something I would give Vergo over Pica or vice versa. No way that fight was high diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Hell no that fight wasn't high diff. I mean seriously, saying that fight was high diff sounds like the biggest Zoro downplay ever. The guy got hit once and was never hurt throughout the entirety of the fight. It was a completely one sided fight and Zoro was never in any danger.

Anyone who thinks this was high diff needs to slap themselves and have been reading this fight up side down. No offense to anyone one but this would be mid diff. And even that's being generous because Pica kept running away.

If you wanna look at it in terms of purely physical, no it wasn't high diff. But that's only if you leave out the fact that Zoro's main test in this was not physical, but mentally. Fights aren't always just who's slugging harder or moving faster pal.

Pica's main goal was to delay fighters from getting to Doflamingo, including Zoro, and he was doing just that, and execute Riku, which he failed to do. Ironically, Pica isn't the brawler type, he uses his power intelligently to get what he wants. He just happened to fight someone who, this time, has the intelligence and brawn prowess to best him, with the help of some allies.

 

[OG sama]

If you wanna look at it in terms of purely physical, no it wasn't high diff. But that's only if you leave out the fact that Zoro's main test in this was not physical, but mentally. Fights aren't always just who's slugging harder or moving faster pal.

Pica's main goal was to delay fighters from getting to Doflamingo, including Zoro, and he was doing just that, and execute Riku, which he failed to do. Ironically, Pica isn't the brawler type, he uses his power intelligently to get what he wants. He just happened to fight someone who, this time, has the intelligence and brawn prowess to best him, with the help of some allies.

What was Zoro struggling with mentally? If anything this went all according to his plan. And what the hell? What do you think a fight is? If Pica needs to run away and Pick on someone else because he knows he's outmatched, that should already tell you the difficulty.

If someone gets there ass whooped, or needs to pick up a gun because they no they can't win otherwise, would you call that a fight? Zoro was spot on when he called Pica a coward or a **** or whatever. Because all he did was spend his time playing hide and seek and getting nothing done and picking on people who were weakened when he had somebody to fight. None of that should have changed the difficulty of ZORO VS PICA.

Because technically if you got to run away, its not a fight.

 

[Anduril]

Also the best person to do a mental battle among the strawhats is Sanji, Luffy and Zoro would naturally fail any kind of mental challenge. They barely get people's names right lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

What was Zoro struggling with mentally? If anything this went all according to his plan. And what the hell? What do you think a fight is? If Pica needs to run away and Pick on someone else because he knows he's outmatched, that should already tell you the difficulty.

If someone gets there ass whooped, or needs to pick up a gun because they no they can't win otherwise, would you call that a fight? Zoro was spot on when he called Pica a coward or a **** or whatever. Because all he did was spend his time playing hide and seek and getting nothing done and picking on people who were weakened when he had somebody to fight. None of that should have changed the outcome of ZORO VS PICA.

I think a fight consists of two parts: Mental and physical prowess. When you fight, the two are pitted against each other for both sides. There are times when a much weaker character can make the fight difficult for a much stronger character because of their mental prowess. Best example is Luffy vs Usopp, the latter being much weaker than the former but being able to damage him a lot because of his intelligence. There are times when the less intelligent character can overcome the other using brute strength, as seen with Luffy. Hell, even Luffy has battle intelligence(he's a fighting genius) that greatly contributes to his fights.

Because of the way Pica fights, you need to use both effectively. Before, when Zoro was just hacking and slicing away using just physical prowess, he was getting nowhere, just wasting time and energy. Why do you think that right before Zoro landed his first successful strike on Pica after fighting for a short while was preceded by ¨Okay, I think I figured it out.¨? Because Zoro had to use his brain. He had to use his brain to formulate a good attack pattern to avoid wasting time and energy unnecessarily and strike Pica effectively. That's why Oda bothered to show Zoro coming up with four different possible tactics, and showing Zoro analyzing them and discarding them when he figured out why they wouldn't work. That's why Oda bothered to show Zoro thinking even while he was cutting Pica and analyzing the situation. Intelligence and analysis are key in defeating Pica; take that away and Zoro would have failed in stopping him from murdering everyone on the plateau and he'd still be carving up rock randomly and getting nowhere. Zoro was not pushed physically, but physical effort isn't the only factor in play. He was pushed to high diff because intelligence and analysis was an equal factor to brute strength in this fight in terms of importance, but was stressed and used much more.

It doesn't matter if Zoro and Pica with no one around for 100 miles would have ended in mid-diff. It doesn't matter if Zoro vs Pica in a place with no stone would have ended with no-diff as Zoro cakewalks Pica into a curbstomp. The question was what difficulty was this fight specifically, and the factors and events that made up this fight caused it be high diff.

 

[Anduril]

Also the best person to do a mental battle among the strawhats is Sanji, Luffy and Zoro would naturally fail any kind of mental challenge. They barely get people's names right lol

I think a fight consists of two parts: Mental and physical prowess. When you fight, the two are pitted against each other for both sides. There are times when a much weaker character can make the fight difficult for a much stronger character because of their mental prowess. Best example is Luffy vs Usopp, the latter being much weaker than the former but being able to damage him a lot because of his intelligence. There are times when the less intelligent character can overcome the other using brute strength, as seen with Luffy. Hell, even Luffy has battle intelligence(he's a fighting genius) that greatly contributes to his fights.

Because of the way Pica fights, you need to use both effectively. Before, when Zoro was just hacking and slicing away using just physical prowess, he was getting nowhere, just wasting time and energy. Why do you think that right before Zoro landed his first successful strike on Pica after fighting for a short while was preceded by ¨Okay, I think I figured it out.¨? Because Zoro had to use his brain. He had to use his brain to formulate a good attack pattern to avoid wasting time and energy unnecessarily and strike Pica effectively. That's why Oda bothered to show Zoro coming up with four different possible tactics, and showing Zoro analyzing them and discarding them when he figured out why they wouldn't work. That's why Oda bothered to show Zoro thinking even while he was cutting Pica and analyzing the situation. Intelligence and analysis are key in defeating Pica; take that away and Zoro would have failed in stopping him from murdering everyone on the plateau and he'd still be carving up rock randomly and getting nowhere. Zoro was not pushed physically, but physical effort isn't the only factor in play. He was pushed to high diff because intelligence and analysis was an equal factor to brute strength in this fight in terms of importance, but was stressed and used much more.

It doesn't matter if Zoro and Pica with no one around for 100 miles would have ended in mid-diff. It doesn't matter if Zoro vs Pica in a place with no stone would have ended with no-diff as Zoro cakewalks Pica into a curbstomp. The question was what difficulty was this fight specifically, and the factors and events that made up this fight caused it be high diff.

Read the quote above, about the mental battle part. You cannot expect someone like Luffy or Zoro to win a mental battle in no way.

So even against a weak opponent with a DF they are going to have trouble, and it will be a difficult fight. But even if we consider the mental challenge I think zoro did really well.

Just tell me how would this fight have gone low diff? I mean tell me how could zoro have beaten pica?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Read the quote above, about the mental battle part. You cannot expect someone like Luffy or Zoro to win a mental battle in no way.

So even against a weak opponent with a DF they are going to have trouble, and it will be a difficult fight. But even if we consider the mental challenge I think zoro did really well.

Just tell me how would this fight have gone low diff? I mean tell me how could zoro have beaten pica?

Almost stopped reading at the first sentence because Zoro literally just did that. You just ignored every instance of Zoro clearly analyzing the surroundings, Pica's abilities, and 5 different possible scenarios and their outcomes

I'm too lazy atm to go get scans, but if Pica had no stone at all, the entire fight would have just been where they used Haki and would have truly been a one-shot.

 

[OG sama]

I think a fight consists of two parts: Mental and physical prowess. When you fight, the two are pitted against each other for both sides. There are times when a much weaker character can make the fight difficult for a much stronger character because of their mental prowess. Best example is Luffy vs Usopp, the latter being much weaker than the former but being able to damage him a lot because of his intelligence. There are times when the less intelligent character can overcome the other using brute strength, as seen with Luffy. Hell, even Luffy has battle intelligence(he's a fighting genius) that greatly contributes to his fights.

Because of the way Pica fights, you need to use both effectively. Before, when Zoro was just hacking and slicing away using just physical prowess, he was getting nowhere, just wasting time and energy. Why do you think that right before Zoro landed his first successful strike on Pica after fighting for a short while was preceded by ¨Okay, I think I figured it out.¨? Because Zoro had to use his brain. He had to use his brain to formulate a good attack pattern to avoid wasting time and energy unnecessarily and strike Pica effectively. That's why Oda bothered to show Zoro coming up with four different possible tactics, and showing Zoro analyzing them and discarding them when he figured out why they wouldn't work. That's why Oda bothered to show Zoro thinking even while he was cutting Pica and analyzing the situation. Intelligence and analysis are key in defeating Pica; take that away and Zoro would have failed in stopping him from murdering everyone on the plateau and he'd still be carving up rock randomly and getting nowhere. Zoro was not pushed physically, but physical effort isn't the only factor in play. He was pushed to high diff because intelligence and analysis was an equal factor to brute strength in this fight in terms of importance, but was stressed and used much more.

It doesn't matter if Zoro and Pica with no one around for 100 miles would have ended in mid-diff. It doesn't matter if Zoro vs Pica in a place with no stone would have ended with no-diff as Zoro cakewalks Pica into a curbstomp. The question was what difficulty was this fight specifically, and the factors and events that made up this fight caused it be high diff.

Ok now I see where your coming from. In fact the best example of this would kind of be Law vs Doffy wouldn't you think? DD was completely not expecting that Law was a D. And just went fighting recklessly, it happens.

And I usually don't like to put that many variables into a fight. But thats kind of how a fight starts. I think I finally understand.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ok now I see where your coming from. In fact the best example of this would kind of be Law vs Doffy wouldn't you think? DD was completely not expecting that Law was a D. And just went fighting recklessly, it happens.

And I usually don't like to put that many variables into a fight. But thats kind of how a fight starts. I think I finally understand.

Yeah man, don't get me wrong, if at least half of the factors of this fight weren't there, this fight wouldn't be anywhere near high diff.

 

[OG sama]

Yeah man, don't get me wrong, if at least half of the factors of this fight weren't there, this fight wouldn't be anywhere near high diff.

Once again you have changed my views. Sadly I still can't rep you. And I still owe you from last time Lol.

I guess you could say I'm one of the more reasonable ones on this base. I seem to always admit when I have lost.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Once again you have changed my views. Sadly I still can't rep you. And I still owe you from last time Lol.

I guess you could say I'm one of the more reasonable ones on this base. I seem to always admit when I have lost.

Nah man, don't think like that. You did well, you actually listened and you weren't intolerant. That's pretty much all you need to do, so in my book you didn't even ¨lose¨"or anything.

 

[Anduril]

Almost stopped reading at the first sentence because Zoro literally just did that. You just ignored every instance of Zoro clearly analyzing the surroundings, Pica's abilities, and 5 different possible scenarios and their outcomes

I'm too lazy atm to go get scans, but if Pica had no stone at all, the entire fight would have just been where they used Haki and would have truly been a one-shot.

So you actually came to the same conclusion that Zoro did, to leave no stone for pica? Obviously that took time for zoro because he is a brute.

And that's why the fight is High diff? that makes the fight mid - diff. No way in hell that goes High diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So you actually came to the same conclusion that Zoro did, to leave no stone for pica? Obviously that took time for zoro because he is a brute.

And that's why the fight is High diff? that makes the fight mid - diff. No way in hell that goes High diff.

Yeah, which is why I made it high diff.

The fight was 50/50 mental:brute in terms of importance to the defeat, but was far more mental than brute in amount, hence why it plays a larger part to the overall diff. The mental amount overshadows the physical amount, making it high diff to me.

 

[Anduril]

Yeah, which is why I made it high diff.

The fight was 50/50 mental:brute in terms of importance to the defeat, but was far more mental than brute in amount, hence why it plays a larger part to the overall diff. The mental amount overshadows the physical amount, making it high diff to me.

Well I think Zoro made up the Mental part with his brute part, considering none of those strategies eventually worked.
I still think it would be mid-diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well I think Zoro made up the Mental part with his brute part, considering none of those strategies eventually worked.
I still think it would be mid-diff.

But the fact that so much time and emphasis was spent on him forming the strategies in the first place is why it overshadowed his brute strength in the first place.

 

[Anduril]

But the fact that so much time and emphasis was spent on him forming the strategies in the first place is why it overshadowed his brute strength in the first place.

I agree with the emphasis part, but you do realise that it only happened for around 10 minutes max, right? Zoro forming those strategies and all?

 

[Punk Hazard]

I agree with the emphasis part, but you do realise that it only happened for around 10 minutes max, right? Zoro forming those strategies and all?

Irrelevant to me since he spent less time actually making attacks.

 

[A v i]

Given the amount of time it took for Zoro to beat him and the level of attacks Zoro used. It was a mid dif fight.

Yeah, which is why I made it high diff.

The fight was 50/50 mental:brute in terms of importance to the defeat, but was far more mental than brute in amount, hence why it plays a larger part to the overall diff. The mental amount overshadows the physical amount, making it high diff to me.

You can't say that a fight is high dif purely because of the amount time it took to beat him.Not when Pica was running away from him for the most of time with out actually fighting him.Even a fodder like Luffy escaped from Mihawk at Marineford that doesn't mean that it was a mid dif fight for Mihawk.