[Theory] Connection between Obito and Madara

[yondaimeminato]

I know how some of you strongly feel that Madara is not using Obito's body. I respect that and I don't plan on making you change your point of view because anything is possible in Naruto. But just hear me out because I have strong theories as well and who knows it could be possible. Unless there is not a definite answer that breaks the connection of Obito with madara I wont stop.

What we know about Obito:

We know almost nothing about Obito. From kakashi gaiden we were able to find out that Obito was not well looked up among his clan. We also know that Obito struggle to get notice. We also know that Obito was a person similar to naruto in a way. He was playful and joyful. He was a person who had fear and didn't trust himself. He was a person who actually shut up kakashi. He actually had a way with words.

What we don't know about Obito:

we don't know about obito's parents. We don't know whether Obito was without parents while he was alive. We don't know what happened after he died. All we get after he died is a big rock with names of all the ppl that sacrificed their lives during the war and Obito's name was among them. We don't know what happened to his corpse.

About Madara:

We all know that Madara had his big long hair when he helped itachi kill his entire clan. You can see him clearly on naruto shippuden 141. But what I find very unusual that Madara's hair was black and his skin was young as if time didn't past for him. I mean by the time Madara was talking to Itachi, he should have had white hair but he didn't. Also when he was talking to Itachi he had skin showing in his hands, neck and some other places which he doesn't show now.

The hair style. We know that the hair style is like their identity. It doesn't change. We can differ minato from naruto because of their hair style. It's somewhat different. Their hair style does not change. It's something that helps us identify them. Madara's head style change somewhere between when he first talked itachi to the time where madara appear with short hair and a different look.

Madara's mask. Madara's mask is different to the one he has now. The mask describes the power he uses somewhat. It wasn't the case when he talked to itachi. Madara's mask did not had that pattern in his mask at that time.

Madara's skin was not as covered as it was when he talked to itachi.

All of these unusual changes in madara are not madara's style. Something must have happened between the time when he talk to itachi to the time he appeared with a totally different look in the manga.

Now this is where I make a connection with Obito.

Theory Begins

My theory is that what happened is that Madara changed bodies.

The only body that would be compatible for Madara was Obito's body. Madara must have switched to Obito's body.

To explain why I believe Obito's body was compatible for Madara, I would have to go back to the story of Madara's brother.

About Izuna Uchiha:

Izuna uchiha was the name of Madara's brother. It was said that he gave away his eyes to madara in order to give new light to madara so he can lead the clan. From this, I was able to get a lot about Izuna. He wasn't anything like Madara. He was less obsessive than madara. The fact that he didn't lose his eye sight proves this. Madara lost his eye sight, because he was obsessed with defeating Hashirama Senju and getting his clan to be known as the strongest clan. I think Izuna wasn't like that or did not have the same beliefs. He was just felt obligated to follow his older brother footsteps. Madara is known to be a brain washer. He did it with Nagato and sasuke. I am sure he use his persuasive approaches with his younger brother. Madara probably brainwashed Izuna to give up his eyes to madara. Madara probably told Izuna that by giving him his eyes he would awaken a new power that would end with the endless fights they were having with the senju clan. Izuna was probably getting tired of fighting and seeing so many people die. So he gave out his eyes to his older brother in order to give him a new power to save their people. Izuna was a person who would sacrifice himself for the welfare of everyone.

Resemblance/connection Obito-Izuna

This brings me back to Obito. As I recall Obito did somewhat similar thing. He sacrificed himself to save/give kakashi a new eye. He only care for the well being of kakashi and Rin. I think Obito is related to Izuna. Obito's MS is somewhat similar to Izuna's MS. We don't know what power Izuna's MS had but I believe that he had the powers of Obito. The power to send things to another dimension.

The way Madara uses Obito's MS powers.

Explanation to why Madara's powers are similar to Obito's


Since madara's EMS was a combination with the MS of his younger brother then he must have also had Izuna's MS powers. Madara seems to have this power too. He only uses it in another level because he knows the real way to use it unlike kakashi. The only reason Madara would know the right way to use Kakashi's MS is if he had seen his brother use it. We have seen that Kakashi's MS can be quick. When sasuke shot a bolt to kakashi, he was able to sent it to another place with his MS. It was quick so kakashi must had used his MS power fast. This kind of power in the hands of madara could be really frightening.

Madara can excute kakashi's MS with his own body making him able to teleport to different directions. His mask itself describes the power he uses. It's the power of OBITO'S MS.

The body of Obito could have easily been restore by Zetsu. Besides he likes to collect bodies. He could have collected obito's body.

Kisame addressed madara as the mizukage once but if he really was the mizukage in Obito's body. There was enough time to become the mizukage from the time when madara talked with itachi to the time when he appeared in a different appearance. Kisame calling madara the mizukage does not really proves anything.

conclusion

All in all, Madara seems to use Obito's eye ability very well. The ability of his eye connects him to Obito


I will be happy to debate with anyone.

I don't know how my tittle tag is on "Spoilers", it's suppose to be on theory or discussion, sorry. If some Mod would change that, it would be awesome

 

[ReLax -]

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by the way Madaras Bro name was Izuna not Idoshen

 

[yondaimeminato]

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by the way Madaras Bro name was Izuna not Idoshen

Ye, I was unsure about madara's bro name :S

Thanks

 

[ReLax -]

Ye, I was unsure about madara's bro name :S

Thanks

Np

Nice theory i do think madara has something to do wit obito i mean his and kakashi tech. looks the same jus madara can teleport there wit or witout ppl and kakashi can jus take ppl there

 

[NipponIchi]

firstly i know you guys arnt really pointing out obito is madara but for the future replys in the data book it states under tobi's character description that his uchiha madara but goes by the name of tobi and secondly about madara and kakashi tech, not sure whether its kind of the same thing because we dont know whether madara's teleportation shit is a jutsu or he can do it out of his will without having to use chakra which sounds crazy but i dunno

 

[lifesamirage]

It seems that Obito had a great impact on the Naruto fans that theories like this pop up almost every day and as always contains about 5% facts.
Although this is a well thought out theory i want to ask smth: WHY OBITO WHY HIM? Out of all the Uchihas in history why him? Why was he more special than others? And dont give me that crap about Obito MS=Madara MS cuz i bet a million dollars that there had to be atleast 1 Uchiha in history whos powers were compatible with Madaras. Also why a very damaged body? Or should i say WHY A DAMAGED CHILDS BODY? Theres just no reason for that!!! And Obito died way before Madara aproached Itachi but Madara can just put Obitos body in the freezer ofc.
Just let Obito rest in peace instead create a theory how can Jiraya could come back cuz thats more important IMO.
Oh and dont creat theorys on the looks of characters it never works

 

[StealthShinobi]

About Madara:

We all know that Madara had his big long hair when he helped itachi kill his entire clan. You can see him clearly on naruto shippuden 141. But what I find very unusual that Madara's hair was black and his skin was young as if time didn't past for him. I mean by the time Madara was talking to Itachi, he should have had white hair but he didn't. Also when he was talking to Itachi he had skin showing in his hands, neck and some other places which he doesn't show now.

The hair style. We know that the hair style is like their identity. It doesn't change. We can differ minato from naruto because of their hair style. It's somewhat different. Their hair style does not change. It's something that helps us identify them. Madara's head style change somewhere between when he first talked itachi to the time where madara appear with short hair and a different look.

Madara's mask. Madara's mask is different to the one he has now. The mask describes the power he uses somewhat. It wasn't the case when he talked to itachi. Madara's mask did not had that pattern in his mask at that time.

Madara's skin was not as covered as it was when he talked to itachi.

All of these unusual changes in madara are not madara's style. Something must have happened between the time when he talk to itachi to the time he appeared with a totally different look in the manga.

Now this is where I make a connection with Obito.

Theory Begins

My theory is that what happened is that Madara changed bodies.

The only body that would be compatible for Madara was Obito's body. Madara must have switched to Obito's body.

1st well lets see....if madara is using obito's body that means obito is dead there for a dead body cant grow.

2nd even if it did grow he should be about 26 to 29 years old just like kakashi so does this look like a 26 years old dudes face

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3rd why didint madara get a body of someone more powerful than obito cuz if u havent noticed at the time obito wasnt the strongest uchiha around ow and why didint madara take someone with 2 sharingans instead of one???

NOUGH SAID

 

[Akаsh]

well i did'nt read everything but i dont think that Madara actually switched bodies cuz its been so many years like u said but by the time the dead body's skin would rotten and the bones would have been broken and the organs must have been destroyed.

and above that his body was crushed

+ Madara has no medical Ninja Companion where he could have never healed that body

I think that the EMS has some immortality power or something (like u said any thing can happen )

so i say no to this theory....but good job though
repped ya

 

[Pervyy]

Madara is Madara, tobi is dead thats what the gaiden was there to show, and how could Tobi Know so much about madara unless he was madara?

 

[Caliburn]

Changed the prefix to theory.

Well most theories go about Obito being Madara as in Obito is saying he's Madara. Madara being in Obito's body is a less common theory (though similar things have been suggested before).

It's possible, but I highely doubt it especially because there are a lot of flaws in the timeline. It's way to complicated to start counting it all as you need to count Yagura's, Zabuza's, Madara's, Obito's/Kakashi's, Itachi's age and maybe some others too. You should start making the timeline to see what happend when and if it's actually possible, but that's way to complicated.

Though there's one thing that you can say: Obito is older than Itachi. At the time Madara talked to Itachi, he was like 13-14 years old or something and Madara was still "normal". But at the time that happend Obito was already dead. Obito died at the age of 13 (same age as Kakashi at the time). Itachi killed his family at the age of 13-14, which means 5 years max before part I and 8 years before Shippuden. Though it's a bit rough, Obito was already dead for some years when Madara and Itachi talked to each other.

Also when Kisame said Mizukage to Madara it's very well possible it was meant in some kind of irony. When the Mizukage was talking at the kage-summit she said something about the previous Mizukage being controlled by someone, in which case the "controller" is actually the one who's Mizukage as he's the one who has the power, even though he doesn't wield the title of Mizukage.

It seems that Obito had a great impact on the Naruto fans that theories like this pop up almost every day and as always contains about 5% facts.
Although this is a well thought out theory i want to ask smth: WHY OBITO WHY HIM? Out of all the Uchihas in history why him? Why was he more special than others? And dont give me that crap about Obito MS=Madara MS cuz i bet a million dollars that there had to be atleast 1 Uchiha in history whos powers were compatible with Madaras. Also why a very damaged body? Or should i say WHY A DAMAGED CHILDS BODY? Theres just no reason for that!!! And Obito died way before Madara aproached Itachi but Madara can just put Obitos body in the freezer ofc.
Just let Obito rest in peace instead create a theory how can Jiraya could come back cuz thats more important IMO.
Oh and dont creat theorys on the looks of characters it never works

The reason why people keep saying Obito is because Obito and the current Madara have similar looks. Also we ony have seen Madara's right eye so far as they think the left eye is now Kakashi's eye.
But Obito's right side was completely crushed and that's an argument they still haven't been able to invalidate.

 

[yondaimeminato]

It seems that Obito had a great impact on the Naruto fans that theories like this pop up almost every day and as always contains about 5% facts.
Although this is a well thought out theory i want to ask smth: WHY OBITO WHY HIM? Out of all the Uchihas in history why him? Why was he more special than others? And dont give me that crap about Obito MS=Madara MS cuz i bet a million dollars that there had to be atleast 1 Uchiha in history whos powers were compatible with Madaras. Also why a very damaged body? Or should i say WHY A DAMAGED CHILDS BODY? Theres just no reason for that!!! And Obito died way before Madara aproached Itachi but Madara can just put Obitos body in the freezer ofc.
Just let Obito rest in peace instead create a theory how can Jiraya could come back cuz thats more important IMO.
Oh and dont creat theorys on the looks of characters it never works

Well, I am thinking that Obito is related to Izuna. This is why, Madara would choose Obito's body out of everyone. I don't think madara would switch just to any body. If Obito is related to Izuna that would give enough reason for Madara to switch to Obito's body. I mean there has only been four people that awaken the MS. If Obito were to be alive he could have awaken the MS. So the uchiha that awaken the MS are Itachi, Sasuke, Madara and Obito. I remember Madara or itachi saying that only few people would be able to awaken MS.

 

[zagubus]

right, obito was crushed so his body would be too damaged. it's not like tobi has any way of regrowing body parts or anything.. oh wait

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well, anyway, it's not like people in the narutoverse go around switching bodies or anything, that would be silly... oh, wait...

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ummm well... why wouldn't madara take a healthy body? why obito who was crushed and only had one eye. he had a whole clan to choose from right? oh, well, i guess there was this...

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after being beaten he was weak, even presumed dead, probably didn't have the strength to take a healthy Uchiha... so a young dead one would do.

oh wait! maybe if we take the theory that madara was really weak after the battle and his body couldn't recover (

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)+ that zetsu like plant thing that apparently grows body parts (

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) + the obvious body snatching that seems pretty common in the narutoverse (

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) + the fact that nobody can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it's impossible that madara hasn't taken obito's body and nobody has seen tobi's face... guess we'll just have to consider it a reasonable possibility.

Thanks for thinking outside the box and having the guts to post a theory that is, for the most part, pretty unpopular on this forum.

 

[yondaimeminato]

1st well lets see....if madara is using obito's body that means obito is dead there for a dead body cant grow.

2nd even if it did grow he should be about 26 to 29 years old just like kakashi so does this look like a 26 years old dudes face

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3rd why didint madara get a body of someone more powerful than obito cuz if u havent noticed at the time obito wasnt the strongest uchiha around ow and why didint madara take someone with 2 sharingans instead of one???

NOUGH SAID

1. If Obito were to be rescue by zetsu then I don't think Obito is even dead yet.

2. Well, his right side portion of Obito's body was crashed so I would understand that it didn't heal well. This is why it would look like he has wrinkles. But if he were to be in the same body then why is his hair still shown as black. He had to switch body somehow.

3. Well we didn't get to see enough of Obito. He might have been shown as a weakling in kakashi gaiden but he did changed and awakened his sharingan. If he were to be alive, I believe he could have been one of the most powerful uchiha around. The fact that kakashi was able to awaken obito's MS, shows that obito could have been able to awaken it as well. And like you said why not get a person with two sharingans instead of one. I mean he was the one who helped slaughter the uchiha clan. He had plenty of other options.

 

[yondaimeminato]

right, obito was crushed so his body would be too damaged. it's not like tobi has any way of regrowing body parts or anything.. oh wait

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well, anyway, it's not like people in the narutoverse go around switching bodies or anything, that would be silly... oh, wait...

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,

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ummm well... why wouldn't madara take a healthy body? why obito who was crushed and only had one eye. he had a whole clan to choose from right? oh, well, i guess there was this...

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after being beaten he was weak, even presumed dead, probably didn't have the strength to take a healthy Uchiha... so a young dead one would do.

oh wait! maybe if we take the theory that madara was really weak after the battle and his body couldn't recover (

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)+ that zetsu like plant thing that apparently grows body parts (

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) + the obvious body snatching that seems pretty common in the narutoverse (

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,

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) + the fact that nobody can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it's impossible that madara hasn't taken obito's body and nobody has seen tobi's face... guess we'll just have to consider it a reasonable possibility.

Thanks for thinking outside the box and having the guts to post a theory that is, for the most part, pretty unpopular on this forum.

We all ask the question, why is it that kishi is still hiding Madara's face even if we know almost eveyone in naruto manga knows that the person behind the mask is madara. Kishi knows that we "audience" know how obito looks so this is would explain why kishi is not showing madara's face yet.

 

[Vergil..]

I liked this theory since it had moe thinking and research done then most Obito-Madara ones.

Well there are now new ways that couldbring back obito's body into play(but i doubt that this will happen ) and that is the thing that looked like Zetzu's plant part that regenerated Madara's arm in some way.

Using this, some remains plus zetsu's body copy power and perhaps Obito's body could have came back, but this would mean that body is just a part of zetsu so having less power's.

 

[jovardo]

if madara was using obito's body it would only has,one eye the half total crushed obito said it himself. i dont see how he would use obito's body. and that doesnt even make sense because obito died before itachi was born sooo by then his dead body would have already deteriorate by the time he spoke to itachi. and at the end of kakashi's gaiden we saw his grave which means his body would supposingly be in the ground. and to top it off the anbu of a village would collect the dead bodies of its ninja because it holds secret to its nation/clan or village. the forth was even there at that time sooo i dont know know zetsu or madara would be able to get obito's body which is under the piles of rock without the forth or kakashi noticing. and why take a crushed body while he could have taken a proper body from the time itachi killed his clan. saying madara using obito's body id saying that madara has a soul transfer jutsu........stop jumping to silly assumptions that doesnt make any sense at all. this is a pathetic thread and your points/theories doesnt are not argumentative enough.

 

[StealthShinobi]

1. If Obito were to be rescue by zetsu then I don't think Obito is even dead yet.

2. Well, his right side portion of Obito's body was crashed so I would understand that it didn't heal well. This is why it would look like he has wrinkles. But if he were to be in the same body then why is his hair still shown as black. He had to switch body somehow.

3. Well we didn't get to see enough of Obito. He might have been shown as a weakling in kakashi gaiden but he did changed and awakened his sharingan. If he were to be alive, I believe he could have been one of the most powerful uchiha around. The fact that kakashi was able to awaken obito's MS, shows that obito could have been able to awaken it as well. And like you said why not get a person with two sharingans instead of one. I mean he was the one who helped slaughter the uchiha clan. He had plenty of other options.

1st with rocks falling on obito with that speed zetsu couldnt have made it in time to save him(we've all seen zetsu teleporting before and i gotta say that he's not fast enough to pull that off)

2-u've just said it ur self it got crushed...so even if zetsu somehow managed to heal his body he could never creat his sharingan cuz it was crushed too(and as for his hair he must've dyed it just like danzo...the guy is 70 years old and still has black hair).

3rd i was talking about him back then not that what he might have become..i dont think that zetsu and madara were able to see what obito might become in the future.

 

[zagubus]

if madara was using obito's body it would only has,one eye the half total crushed obito said it himself. i dont see how he would use obito's body. and that doesnt even make sense because obito died before itachi was born sooo by then his dead body would have already deteriorate by the time he spoke to itachi. and at the end of kakashi's gaiden we saw his grave which means his body would supposingly be in the ground. and to top it off the anbu of a village would collect the dead bodies of its ninja because it holds secret to its nation/clan or village. the forth was even there at that time sooo i dont know know zetsu or madara would be able to get obito's body which is under the piles of rock without the forth or kakashi noticing. and why take a crushed body while he could have taken a proper body from the time itachi killed his clan. saying madara using obito's body id saying that madara has a soul transfer jutsu........stop jumping to silly assumptions that doesnt make any sense at all. this is a pathetic thread and your points/theories doesnt are not argumentative enough.

how about this. you stop being a little prick and try to open your mind to other possibilities or at least respect others theories. has yondaimeminato ever called one of your theories "pathetic"? what is your problem? how old are you? 12? 13??? don't go around insulting other peoples' ideas just because you don't agree with them. the fact is nobody knows what tobi's face looks like. so until kishi shows it to us this is a reasonable theory whether you like it or not.

 

[yondaimeminato]

if madara was using obito's body it would only has,one eye the half total crushed obito said it himself. i dont see how he would use obito's body. and that doesnt even make sense because obito died before itachi was born sooo by then his dead body would have already deteriorate by the time he spoke to itachi. and at the end of kakashi's gaiden we saw his grave which means his body would supposingly be in the ground. and to top it off the anbu of a village would collect the dead bodies of its ninja because it holds secret to its nation/clan or village. the forth was even there at that time sooo i dont know know zetsu or madara would be able to get obito's body which is under the piles of rock without the forth or kakashi noticing. and why take a crushed body while he could have taken a proper body from the time itachi killed his clan. saying madara using obito's body id saying that madara has a soul transfer jutsu........stop jumping to silly assumptions that doesnt make any sense at all. this is a pathetic thread and your points/theories doesnt are not argumentative enough.

Itachi was around when Obito was there. Itachi witnessed war that's why itachi was a person who only thought of peace.

It was a stone with the names of the most important people that gave away their lives in the war.

As far as I know it was on another country place. The anbu would not have taken the risk to try to look for Obito's body.

Sharingan needs a body were it will work it's best. Kakashi gets tired to quick because he doesn't have the body of an uchiha. There aren't any uchiha around other than madara and sasuke so a soul transfer jutsu would fail here. And he would not just need to soul transfer because then he would have to transfer his sharingan

You would understand why someone like madara choose a body like obito's if you would read my previous comments

 

[Dean-Winchester]

how about this. you stop being a little prick and try to open your mind to other possibilities or at least respect others theories. has yondaimeminato ever called one of your theories "pathetic"? what is your problem? how old are you? 12? 13??? don't go around insulting other peoples' ideas just because you don't agree with them. the fact is nobody knows what tobi's face looks like. so until kishi shows it to us this is a reasonable theory whether you like it or not.

kinda has a point
just because MAdara says he is madara doenst really mean he is madara
i only think tobi is madra for one reason he knew about jubi and the sage of six paths history

Spoiler

but also by luck obito probably didn't die in the naruto universe there are supernatural forces big time
and also the 3rd tsuchikage onoki was still alive @ the time the only one with experince fighting madara & also he did not seem 2 b surprised about the space time ninjutsu but it was stated during the kage meeting he used akatsuki the most so something is a lil fishy about the kages except garaa raikage & kinda mizukage

on that other note
KISAme stated madara was mizukage
but MEi
the 5th mizukage did not reveal any info

now 2 new uchia candidates appear kagami
& shisui

i doubt tobi is shisui but Ao recognized the chakra from danzos eye that
controlled the 3 tailed jinchiru and 4th mizukage Yagura
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all i can say If tobi is madara then y is he hiding his face we all know what he looks like