Discussion: Naruto/Hashirama being Ashura's reincarnations..

[Transcendence]

Why are people talking about rinnegan naruto?? lol.





Naruto was born with huge chakras (about a month of practice or so, already tied with a genius who was practicing for years)... simply didn't have anyone to give him instructions. He wasn't rock lee. Wait why are people talking about rinegan Naruto??!


Eh, i can't see NAruto with the rinnegan. I think its better he became the Tailed beasts guy, instead of the rinnegan user.

Mokuton = body of the juubi

Rinnegan = eyes of the juubi

Tailed beasts = chakra of the juubi

^^ i think that fits well with those 3, instead of Naruto having rinnegan.



Only real "goku" in naruto-verse would be the shodaime.. and Naruto is his successor.

I meant that if he was Rikudou's reincarnation, the Rin'negan is inevitable.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Nah Ashura was good, but Kishi should have given more Rikodou fuin jutsu to Naruto because any of the Senju/Uchiha transmigrants can use bijuu as weapons with their own jutsu :eww: Not complaining though, Naruto with SM alone is pretty OP

 

[Conspirator.]

It makes no sense for him to be Hagaromo's transmigrant.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Well, Hashirama seems more parallel to ashura than rikudou. Naruto on the other hand i felt that was a retcon.

 

[chaos control]

Idk if its just me... but i sure would've perferred it if Hashirama and Naruto were rikudou's reincarnations or w.e, instead of Ashura's. Why? Because I just don't find Ashura to be that special and that significant as far as the impact goes, except he was just a genetic donor who started that bloodline. But thats it. His power isn't hyped, they never represented the epitome of that bloodline and so on.. so its like ehhh.. And compared to Naruto and Hashirama and what they worked towards peace.. Ashura is pretty uh.. low.


The way I see it:

Rikudou = Rinnegan

Hashirama = Mokuton

Naruto = Tailed beasts


All 3 of them = Senjutsu


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Rikudou = starts shinobi sect

Hashirama = organizes it and brings it closer to unity

Naruto = brings out the fruits of the work of the previous and develops on it.





So in my humble opinion, I believe Naruto/Hashirama would've had a better parallel if they were reincarnations of Rikudou, instead of Ashura.

Anyone else ever thought that?

I see your point. That is well thought out, but I disagree with some points.

1.You mention Ashura not being hyped. You must remember however, that Indra wasn't hyped by modern shinobi either. Additionally, Ashura was actually hyper during his era because Hagoromo stated that he obtained large amounts of followers. Clearly he had some fame. Besides, even Hagoromo (who was more famous than both of his sons) faded into being seen as a myth. If Hagoromo's hype died down, then what makes you think that Ashura's hype would last to the modern era?

2. You said that Ashura was not the epitome of the bloodline. I disagree. First of all, you mention Hagoromo, Hashirama and Naruto all having senjutsu as if Ashura didn't have it, but you forget that Ashura got a powerup from Hagoromo that gave him a battle avatar reminiscent of Naruto's six armed 3 headed senjutsu of the six paths Kurama avatar. Furthermore, Ashura's avatar was seen holding what were most likely truth seeking balls. All of Ashura's powers that I just listed require both rikudou chakara (something Hashirama doesn't have) and senjutsu. Having said that, Ashura is one of the most powerful shinobis to have ever lived (much stronger than Hashirama). We know that with the Ōtsutsuki clan their power was genetically passed down through their bloodlines. No Senju up to Naruto (if you count Uzumaki as Senju) came close to Ashura's power. Therefore Ashura is the epitome.

3. You are right that Ashura didn't bring about peace, but he was impactful in that he and his brother started a centuries long war.

4. Finally, if Hashirama and Naruto were Hagoromo's transmigrants then what would become of Madara and Sasuke? Hamura didn't really start any of the world's problems and he wasn't really relevant so it wouldn't make sense for them to be Hamura's transmigrants. If they stayed Indra's transmigrants, well Hagoromo vs Indra is not balanced. A rivalry of destiny is supposed to be between two people of equal status (brother vs brother), not one higher power and his son

 

[KingHashirama]

I meant that if he was Rikudou's reincarnation, the Rin'negan is inevitable.

Not really, None of Ashura's reincarnations had his power.

I see your point. That is well thought out, but I disagree with some points.

1.You mention Ashura not being hyped. You must remember however, that Indra wasn't hyped by modern shinobi either. Additionally, Ashura was actually hyper during his era because Hagoromo stated that he obtained large amounts of followers. Clearly he had some fame. Besides, even Hagoromo (who was more famous than both of his sons) faded into being seen as a myth. If Hagoromo's hype died down, then what makes you think that Ashura's hype would last to the modern era?

2. You said that Ashura was not the epitome of the bloodline. I disagree. First of all, you mention Hagoromo, Hashirama and Naruto all having senjutsu as if Ashura didn't have it, but you forget that Ashura got a powerup from Hagoromo that gave him a battle avatar reminiscent of Naruto's six armed 3 headed senjutsu of the six paths Kurama avatar. Furthermore, Ashura's avatar was seen holding what were most likely truth seeking balls. All of Ashura's powers that I just listed require both rikudou chakara (something Hashirama doesn't have) and senjutsu. Having said that, Ashura is one of the most powerful shinobis to have ever lived (much stronger than Hashirama). We know that with the Ōtsutsuki clan their power was genetically passed down through their bloodlines. No Senju up to Naruto (if you count Uzumaki as Senju) came close to Ashura's power. Therefore Ashura is the epitome.

3. You are right that Ashura didn't bring about peace, but he was impactful in that he and his brother started a centuries long war.

4. Finally, if Hashirama and Naruto were Hagoromo's transmigrants then what would become of Madara and Sasuke? Hamura didn't really start any of the world's problems and he wasn't really relevant so it wouldn't make sense for them to be Hamura's transmigrants. If they stayed Indra's transmigrants, well Hagoromo vs Indra is not balanced. A rivalry of destiny is supposed to be between two people of equal status (brother vs brother), not one higher power and his son

1. Rikudou was hailed as the creator.. he was a myth, he considered superior to Hashirama.. lol . His hype didn't die down man. Those from Hashirama's clan or Madara's knew of their existance. Thats why Hashirama knew the rinne tensei was rikudou's jutsu or w.e

2. No, that battle avatar is Ashura's own power, just like Naruto's is Tailed beasts and Hashirama's is Mokuton.. he hasn't displayed Senjutsu.. can't give him what he doesn't have. Notice that Naruto's senjutsu is called "RIKUDOU's Senjutsu" not Ashura's. And also, we don't know if those are truth seeking balls or just tbbs. so can't make that judgement either. And no, they really don't require rikudou's chakra.. because Ashura's own powers were never displayed by anyone but himself. And also, you do realize Hashirama had the power of Mokuton.. and Mokuton is as close you can go to "body". Mokuton is the substance that makes up the juubi... it is the power of the Juubi itself... so I don't see how Ashura is the epitome of this.

3. Yea but so what? a war his brother started.. nothing compared to Hashirama/Rikudou/Naruto..

4. Madara and Sasuke still could've been Hamura's transmigrants.. and i should've posted this in the OP, I'm actually talking about before the whole "older son, younger son" thing was introduced.. And at that time, we didn't know how it all started, we just knew they were destined to battle. And it could've played as Sasuke inheriting evil or something like that. OR maybe Hamura was the uchiha like figure that believed peace comes through power, but he also loved his brother and gave his life for him and so on. So there are many ways that could've turned out. There really wasn't any need for "brother vs brother" or "higher power vs his son"..

It wouldn't make sense if they were "Hagoromoo incarnate."

As Ashura incarnates you're suppose to awaken rikudou sagemode.

While Indra's are suppose to have rikudou's chakra.

Ashura's being Hagoromoo incarnate will skew the concept of naturally gifted ocular powerful chakra.

Because Indra needs to have some part of Hagoromoo.

@Bold... uh no.


@underline, thats not true either bro.


And no, if Naruto/Hashirama were Hagoromo's transmigrants, that simply means the "indra vs Ashura" would've been no longer there. And instead Sasuke/Madara would've had a new back story that made them clash with the senju.

Well, Hashirama seems more parallel to ashura than rikudou. Naruto on the other hand i felt that was a retcon.

- Unites clans through understanding

- Many tailed beasts under his control

- Most feared man alive

- God of shinobi (only person after Rikudou)

- possessed the power of Juubi's body itself.. aka mokuton

- father of the modern ninja world

- from seeing the manga hints.. he was pretty much the only one (except Naruto later on of course), who looked at the world, instead of brother vs brother.

 

[DroGGz0r]

Not really, None of Ashura's reincarnations had his power.

You're speaking nonsense.That's because Ashura's reincarnations represents only half of his power. :|

 

[KingHashirama]

You're speaking nonsense.That's because Ashura's reincarnations represents only half of his power. :|

coming from the one who is making a statement without any manga proof?

 

[DroGGz0r]

coming from the one who is making a statement without any manga proof?

Manga proof for what ? Any pleb around here knows Indra + Ashura = Hags, therefore the Rinnegan.

Next time when you're adressing me, make sure to expand a little on your facts, otherwise I won't even bother anymore to hold an argument with you.

 

[KingHashirama]

Manga proof for what ? Any pleb around here knows Indra + Ashura = Hags, therefore the Rinnegan.

Next time when you're adressing me, make sure to expand a little on your facts, otherwise I won't even bother anymore to hold an argument with you.

1 issue, "hags" would merk both of them.... and no they don't equal Hagoromo in power.. thats a dumb claim. Both are quite inferior to the Rikudou.

So where is the manga proof... because your plebs who know that must be idiots..

Rinnegan is yes attained by mixture of Ashura and Indra's chakra.. you are right about that. But that doesn't mean in a transmigrant form Naruto would automatically have the rinnegan. Transmigrants have their own powers..

 

[DroGGz0r]

1 issue, "hags" would merk both of them.... and no they don't equal Hagoromo in power.. thats a dumb claim. Both are quite inferior to the Rikudou.

So where is the manga proof... because your plebs who know that must be idiots..

Rinnegan is yes attained by mixture of Ashura and Indra's chakra.. you are right about that. But that doesn't mean in a transmigrant form Naruto would automatically have the rinnegan. Transmigrants have their own powers..

That's better...

So what exactly do you understand by a "transmigrant" ? Because when I think about transmigration, I think about the chakra of the respective person (in this case Hagoromo) moving to another body (in this case Nardo). In which case, Naruto should theoretically have the Rinnegan, considering Indra chakra + Ashura chakra = Hagoromo chakra = Rinnegan.

If you're trying to say that a transmigrant doesn't have the original chakra, but rather a modified version/incomplete one, then I think it could be possible what you say, but that would just be an assumption that doesn't lead to any concrete answer.

 

[KingHashirama]

That's better...

So what exactly do you understand by a "transmigrant" ? Because when I think about transmigration, I think about the chakra of the respective person (in this case Hagoromo) moving to another body (in this case Nardo). In which case, Naruto should theoretically have the Rinnegan, considering Indra chakra + Ashura chakra = Hagoromo chakra = Rinnegan.

If you're trying to say that a transmigrant doesn't have the original chakra, but rather a modified version/incomplete one, then I think it could be possible what you say, but that would just be an assumption that doesn't lead to any concrete answer.

Nope. The transmigrant his/her own chakra. The original's chakra just goes into the transmigrant. . That is all. There is really 0 proof of naruto and hashirama being affected bt ashura.. seeing as none of them have ashura's powers.

But point here is.. compared to naRuto and hashirama... ashura isnt that special in what he did.


Naruto and hago has all tailed beasts under them.. hashirama had 6 or 7. And list goes on and on