Discussion: Naruto/Hashirama being Ashura's reincarnations..

[KingHashirama]

Idk if its just me... but i sure would've perferred it if Hashirama and Naruto were rikudou's reincarnations or w.e, instead of Ashura's. Why? Because I just don't find Ashura to be that special and that significant as far as the impact goes, except he was just a genetic donor who started that bloodline. But thats it. His power isn't hyped, they never represented the epitome of that bloodline and so on.. so its like ehhh.. And compared to Naruto and Hashirama and what they worked towards peace.. Ashura is pretty uh.. low.


The way I see it:

Rikudou = Rinnegan

Hashirama = Mokuton

Naruto = Tailed beasts


All 3 of them = Senjutsu


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Rikudou = starts shinobi sect

Hashirama = organizes it and brings it closer to unity

Naruto = brings out the fruits of the work of the previous and develops on it.





So in my humble opinion, I believe Naruto/Hashirama would've had a better parallel if they were reincarnations of Rikudou, instead of Ashura.

Anyone else ever thought that?

 

[~Ethereal~]

Not really, but I respect your point of view.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

madara stomps either way so its w/e.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I rather Naruto stay a Goku recarnation than a Vegeta recarnation.

 

[Dantee]

That would've been worse. Kishi had to make the reincarnation a-pull as believable as possible.

 

[Transcendence]

I always sort of wanted Naruto to get the Rin'negan as well since I saw him as Rikudou for the longest while. And in comparison, I saw Sasuke as sort of the "Ultimate evil". They would both sort of dissect power wise. But Naruto would do what you said. That isn't the way it happened though, so it's fruitless to talk about it though.

 

[KingHashirama]

That would've been worse. Kishi had to make the reincarnation a-pull as believable as possible.

Him being the reincarnations of a guy who started the system wouldve been worse than being the reincarnation s of a guy who did nothing to furthee the shinobi sect?

 

[Xlad]

I actually rejoiced that Naruto wasn't Hagoromo's transmigrant. Even more so after seeing Ashura started as a good-for-nothing who with cooperation and hard work, he became more powerful.

And at all honesty, I prefer RSM Naruto over Rinnegan Naruto. It seems to suit his style much more than ocular powers.

 

[V h o]

Naruto was somewhat already parallel to Hagoromo, Kaguya always viewed hagoromo inside Naruto and Hamura inside Sasuke. Not to mention Hagoromo favored Ashura's point of view of cooperation which is what Hashirama and Naruto represent.

 

[KingHashirama]

Why are people talking about rinnegan naruto?? lol.

I actually rejoiced that Naruto wasn't Hagoromo's transmigrant. Even more so after seeing Ashura started as a good-for-nothing who with cooperation and hard work, he became more powerful.

And at all honesty, I prefer RSM Naruto over Rinnegan Naruto. It seems to suit his style much more than ocular powers.

Naruto was born with huge chakras (about a month of practice or so, already tied with a genius who was practicing for years)... simply didn't have anyone to give him instructions. He wasn't rock lee. Wait why are people talking about rinegan Naruto??!

I always sort of wanted Naruto to get the Rin'negan as well since I saw him as Rikudou for the longest while. And in comparison, I saw Sasuke as sort of the "Ultimate evil". They would both sort of dissect power wise. But Naruto would do what you said. That isn't the way it happened though, so it's fruitless to talk about it though.

Eh, i can't see NAruto with the rinnegan. I think its better he became the Tailed beasts guy, instead of the rinnegan user.

Mokuton = body of the juubi

Rinnegan = eyes of the juubi

Tailed beasts = chakra of the juubi

^^ i think that fits well with those 3, instead of Naruto having rinnegan.

I rather Naruto stay a Goku recarnation than a Vegeta recarnation.

Only real "goku" in naruto-verse would be the shodaime.. and Naruto is his successor.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

I guess indra didn't have that big an impact either so sasuke must be hamura's transmigrant to compensate? Naruto and sasuke have always been shown as parallels, if Naruto was the transmigrant of hagoromo, what sense would that make? To be the transmigrant of someone like him but not show his godly feats. Naruto having ocular abilities is disgusting, I've never imagined a rinnegan Naruto because he'd just be a nagato imitation the only thing that could disgust me more is a RSM sasuke, that'd look awkward. Naruto performing shines tensei....the thought is just...ugh. Ashira did nothing to contribute??? Lol what? Ashura is the one that started this whole "will of fire" concept,, he's the one that influenced the sage to a new possibility of splitting the bijuu, and setting them free. Ashura was actually very influential as Naruto and hashirama are basically just reincarnations of ashura. Naruto being ashura and sasuke being indra is an amazing parallel as in Japanese lore the ashura's and the indra's are constantly at war with each other, which is pretty neat that kishi incorporated it into the story. I can't believe people still care that Naruto isn't hagoromo's transmigrant

 

[KingHashirama]

I guess indra didn't have that big an impact either so sasuke must be hamura's transmigrant to compensate? Naruto and sasuke have always been shown as parallels, if Naruto was the transmigrant of hagoromo, what sense would that make? To be the transmigrant of someone like him but not show his godly feats. Naruto having ocular abilities is disgusting, I've never imagined a rinnegan Naruto because he'd just be a nagato imitation the only thing that could disgust me more is a RSM sasuke, that'd look awkward. Naruto performing shines tensei....the thought is just...ugh. Ashira did nothing to contribute??? Lol what? Ashura is the one that started this whole "will of fire" concept,, he's the one that influenced the sage to a new possibility of splitting the bijuu, and setting them free. Ashura was actually very influential as Naruto and hashirama are basically just reincarnations of ashura. Naruto being ashura and sasuke being indra is an amazing parallel as in Japanese lore the ashura's and the indra's are constantly at war with each other, which is pretty neat that kishi incorporated it into the story. I can't believe people still care that Naruto isn't hagoromo's transmigrant

@Bold, not in Kishimoto's manga.

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"will of fire" is Hashirama's belief.. you know the guy who made the village system.. and the only one after Rikudou to think about the "entire world"


And I don't see how Naruto being Rikudou's reincarnation = him having the rinnegan..

No Ashura's chakra simply went inside those bodies.. they themselves aren't ashura.. And what did Ashura do? You can't give achievements of Hashirama and Naruto to Ashura.. thats dumb.



And dude, this is just normal discussing.. no one is hurt that he isn't Hagoromo's reincarnation..

 

[DroGGz0r]

I guess indra didn't have that big an impact either so sasuke must be hamura's transmigrant to compensate? Naruto and sasuke have always been shown as parallels, if Naruto was the transmigrant of hagoromo, what sense would that make? To be the transmigrant of someone like him but not show his godly feats. Naruto having ocular abilities is disgusting, I've never imagined a rinnegan Naruto because he'd just be a nagato imitation the only thing that could disgust me more is a RSM sasuke, that'd look awkward. Naruto performing shines tensei....the thought is just...ugh. Ashira did nothing to contribute??? Lol what? Ashura is the one that started this whole "will of fire" concept,, he's the one that influenced the sage to a new possibility of splitting the bijuu, and setting them free. Ashura was actually very influential as Naruto and hashirama are basically just reincarnations of ashura. Naruto being ashura and sasuke being indra is an amazing parallel as in Japanese lore the ashura's and the indra's are constantly at war with each other, which is pretty neat that kishi incorporated it into the story. I can't believe people still care that Naruto isn't hagoromo's transmigrant

This !!! Disgusting, abominable, outrageous, repugnant, distasteful, gross and last but not least, absolutely hideous !!!

Think I got carried away a little, but seriously, would not fit him at all :yeah:

 

[KingHashirama]

This !!! Disgusting, abominable, outrageous, repugnant, distasteful, gross and last but not least, absolutely hideous !!!

Think I got carried away a little, but seriously, would not fit him at all :yeah:

The thread never said Naruto gets the rinnegan..

Hashirama ahd Mokuton, Ashura didn't have mokuton

Naruto had the 9-tails, Ashura didn't have the 9-tails

So idk why him being Rikudou's reincarnation translates into him having the rinnegan..

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

@Bold, not in Kishimoto's manga.

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"will of fire" is Hashirama's belief.. you know the guy who made the village system.. and the only one after Rikudou to think about the "entire world"


And I don't see how Naruto being Rikudou's reincarnation = him having the rinnegan..

No Ashura's chakra simply went inside those bodies.. they themselves aren't ashura.. And what did Ashura do? You can't give achievements of Hashirama and Naruto to Ashura.. thats dumb.



And dude, this is just normal discussing.. no one is hurt that he isn't Hagoromo's reincarnation..

Not that, I meant ashura set the precipice for it, as Apperently only through ashura's love for peace and he said love is the way to peace and was one that truly knew the value of comrades showed the sage a new way. A way that ultimately developed into the "will of fire", if indra sparked the "cursed hatred" in the Uchiha, then why can't ashura spark the "will of fire"? If anything that's pretty close minded and bias. I'm not saying everything Naruto and hashirama did is because of ashira I'm just saying that ashira did have some influence just as indra has influence on his transmigrants to walk a lone wolf path, even adult sasuke is lone wolfing and he has a family. It's kind of like how your patents have an influence on you but that doesn't mean they deserve the credit for all you do.


2. Sorry but the rinnegan Naruto theories were atrocious and only existed because the possibility of Naruto being hagoromo's transmigrant, plus being a transmigrant kind of goes like that at times, or the Naruto will take sasuke's eyes theories, such laughable fanfics :leaf:

3.FALSE! People before hashirama to think of the whole world were indra and ashura as someone had to be the sage's successor in ninshu and lead the world (or try) to peace. That's why he asked his sons which way to peace was best. Let's also not forget that hashi didn't do this on his own and it was really madara.....if I remember correctly wasn't it madara's idea to build a shinobi system....? I'd need a scan but I may be wrong in chill if I'm wrong just a saying.

4.well yeah you got me there, his chakra did go in them not being ashira himself.

5.i never said people were hurt, I said people caring, you seemed pretty disappointed which is synonymous to hurt that Naruto wasn't Ashura's desendant but if this is just critical analysis then I'm sorry if I gave the connotation of you being hurt

 

[maniaoqan]

In my opinion a couple of chapters about Indra/Ashura flashbacks which explains their backgrounds properly would be better.
I mean they're supposed to be important characters, beginnig of this ''Brother Feud'' which Naruto wanted to end. I would like to see that feud myself, considering we got to see bunch of sappy moments.

 

[Angelic.]

needs moar parallels!

 

[iNotorious]

I always wanted that, naruto to be the reincarnation of Hagoromo and Sasuke the reincarnation of Hamura but i do get your point. Nice thread by the way.

 

[KingHashirama]

Uhhh dude the love thing was not limited to the senju...

And no... the will of fire came because hashirama made a village that became the becon to the new shinobi era.. loll

Ashura didnt do anything major for the world... only 3 people have changed the world through understanding.. hashirama hagoromo and naruto... ashura isnt even in there at all..

What ashura brought was something the sage of 6 paths already understood... hence why ninshu was started.the whole peace through love.. sage of 6 paths already saw And was following itn

2.why are you mentioning the rinnegan ... when I never mentioned it in the op?

3. Sadly you are the false one here... indra and ashura never led the world... ashura had a small group supporting him... and those were the followers of ninshuu... thats it.. he continued what the sage started... hell we dont even know if he continued it or not.. uhh no it was hashiramas idea.. read the flashbacks.

5. Yea I was dissappointed.. dont mean im hurt.. if I was hurt I wouldve bashed indra and ashura like crazy... rofl. Come on dude.


For gods sake they have 0 hype in their own bloodlines..

 

[VongolaX]

It wouldn't make sense if they were "Hagoromoo incarnate."

As Ashura incarnates you're suppose to awaken rikudou sagemode.

While Indra's are suppose to have rikudou's chakra.

Ashura's being Hagoromoo incarnate will skew the concept of naturally gifted ocular powerful chakra.

Because Indra needs to have some part of Hagoromoo.