[Discussion] Sasuke?s insanity

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Okay, I will try to elaborate with your comply the best I can. I am not Kishi and I don?t know if what I come up with could be the answer. However, remember how Gaara was in the past before he was changed by Naruto? After his uncle betrayed him he became unstable and decided that he would kill to make his existence known. His victims consisted of Team Shigure because Gaara claimed they looked at him the wrong way.

He critically injured Lee during the Chuunin Exams and then tried to finish him but was stopped by Gai. Dosu became disillusioned after learning that Orochimaru branded the Ten no Juin upon Sasuke and that his team was a simple test for the Uchiha. He tried to kill Gaara so he could be the one to fight and kill Sasuke in the finals but was killed instead by Gaara. Midori/Tsuba pressured Gaara to lose the match against Sasuke and due to feeling offended he killed them both which luckily satisfied his bloodlust as he originally intended to target Shikamaru/Naruto. Gaara and his village agreed to assist Orochimaru in his invasion plan where his role lied in unleashing Shukaku in the center of the village but was unable to by the wound inflicted from Sasuke?s Chidori.

Gaara?s siblings even feared him as evident when Temari covered Kankurou?s mouth to stop him from reminding Gaara about the plan because she feared that as a result, he would kill him. He tried to kill Sasuke/Naruto while he was pursued after fleeing the Exams. Aside from his murderous desires he also had to withstand insomnia due to Shukaku completely taking over his body if he were to fall asleep (the lack of sleep can cause just to name a few symptoms psychosis, hallucinations, death etc.). In which caused him further instability and plunged him further into "darkness" via a burning desire to kill. The reason I used Gaara to help me answer your question is because he is a perfect candidate as Gaara is similar to Sasuke with the darkness/damaged mind due to his past.

Now approaching my point, wasn?t Gaara a serial killer holding no remorse and was later turned as a result to Naruto?s "changing abilities" and was pardoned by his village/even went as far as to becoming the Godaime Kazekage despite his criminal background? He never became a Nukenin unlike Sasuke as he remained in his village. The crimes Gaara committed were far more extensive than the ones Sasuke committed; they mainly consisted of murder but he was still accepted by his village. Konan can be another proper example of this as she was in a criminal organization hence Akatsuki which is only the most wanted group in all of the shinobi world and for being a member she became known as a criminal/Nukenin alike that of Sasuke?s label. After Naruto changed Nagato she chose to follow Nagato?s decision turning as well and became the leader of her village.

In other words her own village pardoned/excepted her much like that of Gaara. So if Konan/Gaara were able to overcome a fate of trial for murder etc. than I think Sasuke should be given the same chance if he is indeed turned by Naruto, ne?

@Poison Ivy if you read this recent post, can you continue to not agree that Sasuke might still have a chance to change just as Gaara/Konan/Nagato indeed were able to?​
I understand where you're coming from...Gaara had a very shady and sad past and was able to come through that. It makes me wonder, Sasuke may have always had this small part of him deep inside of him called insanity. Maybe it even started to die away until he ran into Itachi once more and he made the memory of his parents/clans deaths as clear as the day it happened.

Sasuke was treated with nothing but respect when he entered the academy and progressed just as everyone expected the last remaining Uchiha should. He joined his team and found that he truly cared for them as his own family...And maybe that frightened him. It's hard to keep in mind that these characters of those of Kishi's and that everything they do is because he draws it out and writes in the text. It's hard to believe that Sasuke is completely lost and that he doesn't know what he's doing. He after all, didn't kill Karin. Though, that doesn't say anything at this point.

Sakura and Naruto have searched for him with the hopes of bringing him back to Konoha, because they both love him. Until recently they were both still searching for him to bring him back, and now it has all changed. Something has to change about Sasuke or he will never be able to go back to Konoha. He still has it in his mind that he needs to be an avenger. Something about that needs to change, and maybe Sasuke knows what this whole time. Maybe Madara is just using Sasuke.

Kishi has constantly pushed the idea of never giving up hope in his manga and as hard as it seems, that's what we have to keep doing I guess...Ahh, so much to think over!
 

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for years he has trained to attain power even going as far as subjecting himself with a curse mark. His brother gave him a purpose in life to get strong enough to kill him. He isn't near Itachi's level but Itachi was blind and almost dead so he had to take it as it was and lose to him. Now that his one and only goal is complete (like Kakashi said) He has no drive. He is an avenger and a avenger has to take revenge.

I think Sasuke is losing sight of everything he use to be. He needs big brother to wake him up
When he had a drive to kill Itachi he had a line that he never crossed. He is becoming another Orochimaru. Oro just wanted to master all jutsu but that goal turned into a monstrous plot to do nasty experiments. I also find it ironic that he scolds Oro for losing sight of his true goals but he is going down the same path.

Itachi saw this coming so I'm sure he will stop it.
 
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First off do you two even know what the definition of emo is? I ask because the way you guys label Sasuke is incorrect. Listen, maybe if I define it for you both you will see what I mean. "Emo" is short for emotional and it is a state of mind. From the music with strong emotion and feeling, unlike hard rock as this is more of an alternative way to let their feeling be known. Emo is not only a classification or a type of music it is also taken over the way one expresses themself by dressing. It includes the tighter fitting pants to the dyed-black or dark hair with it covering your face. Emo is more emotional and harder to fake. Yes, some emo people cut themselves but there is more to it. Emo people tend to be hated because they are viewed as suicidal, cry babies or just weak. That's NOT what emo is. It means being comfortable with oneself and is a more direct way of altering the feelings one has without words, just emotion. In other words, "emo people" are usually teenagers, who usually love music, are not all suicidal and they do not always slit their wrists. They may however be very emotional and sensitive. I am not denying that Sasuke has had his own emotional moments but from the start of the series up to current manga he has mainly had a stern visage and seemed to be nonchalant with minor moments where emotion was ever shown. Besides, this term does not fit Sasuke. If there is anybody who is emo at times that would be Naruto with the way he has recently carried himself around due to lack of Sasuke and at least Nagato had the emo appearance going on. Sasuke shouldn?t be classified emo because that is where he lacks but rather under insanity as his mentality had been gradually shattering.​
To expand on that:
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On-topic: I'm of a similar viewpoint to Nanaki. While I agree with you that the mental trauma inflicted upon Sasuke in his troubled childhood has had a huge part in reducing his psyche to its current almost emotionless state, I'm not sure I agree with your inability to label him as "evil". The simple fact is, every villain in both fiction and history, always has, and always will have some sort of past experience, or motivation, that drives them to commit the wrongs that they do. Murderers have a motive, perhaps a cheating partner, or a vengeance killing. Paeodophiles can have had similarly disturbing actions done to them as children. Thieves may be trying to supply a drug addiction, that was born out of a neglectful upbringing, and poor neighbourhood. Genocidal maniacs may have been brain-washed by the war propoganda of a previous generation.

It isn't enough to justify Sasuke's actions. We're able to "understand" him, (a key phrase here, in the very same way Naruto was able to examine Nagato's past and reach a similar conclusion), but that doesn't justify wrong-doings. In truth, there's no such thing as darkness. Only white and grey. Black doesn't really exist.


Personally, I'd still like to see Sasuke die at the end of the manga (preferable at Naruto's hands, but maybe in a sacrifice against Madara). This isn't because I dislike Sasuke, I find him to be fantastically written, but it would be nice to have the message in the manga that sometimes we have to grow up, and be realistic. It doesn't matter how strong a bond of friendship you have, sometimes you have to sacrifice that for a greater good. Even if Naruto loves Sasuke as his own brother, the safety of Konoha and the ninja world, will always have to come before the saviour of his friend. It is in my opinion, an immature and selfish cause that he will eventually come to realise.
Please note that when I say immature and selfish, it isn't as a critique of Naruto's behaviour or intelligence, but rather, me noting that he's only 16, it's a very complicated, adult situation to be in.

And there are fair differences between the situations you referenced for other characters. Gaara was a lot younger when Naruto encountered him. 12, the same as him. He'd been brought up in the same way as Naruto, shunned by the village, with the difference, that sometimes the ninja in Suna would actually attempt to kill him. There was little so suggest he had ever inflicted harm other than in self-defense, until that adult he trusted so deeply, acted against him. Also, at twelve years old, a persons perceptions, and opinions are far more malleable than those of someone on the brink of adulthood (Sasuke). Gaara encountered Naruto and saw that things didn't need to be the way they were. Naruto had gone through a similar childhood, but he wasn't a bad person. He was strong, determined, and loyal to his village.

Suna hadn't really started accepting Gaara until he demonstrated his loyalties to the village, and the effort with which he protected them as Kazekage. It's going to take a lot for Sasuke to do that. Especially if he's planning to destroy Konoha. I can't see that the Hidden Leaf would have been able to forgive Nagato. Naruto was, yes, but the rest of the village? I struggle to believe that.

The thing is, Sasuke has already seen these qualities. Both in Gaara and Naruto. But his stance hasn't changed.

As for Konan, she always struck me as more of a "follower" anyway. I never got the impression that she was anything but a good person, caught up in Nagato and Yahiko's dream. She was just a young girl, sticking close to the only two people that really looked out for her, and one of them became "Pain" after the other's death. She just chose to remain loyal to her friend. And in fairness, there's nothing to suggest that the Hidden Rain had any idea about Akatsuki's involvement in their governing. Konan never comitted any crimes against them. It's difficult to see why they wouldn't accept her.

The difference between Sasuke, and Naruto & Gaara, is that while they were more broken from the beginning, they were built up into heroes. Sasuke, however, was a child prodigy, an Uchiha, a skilled ninja. Bit by bit he's been broken down further and further.
 

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On-topic: I'm of a similar viewpoint to Nanaki. While I agree with you that the mental trauma inflicted upon Sasuke in his troubled childhood has had a huge part in reducing his psyche to its current almost emotionless state, I'm not sure I agree with your inability to label him as "evil". The simple fact is, every villain in both fiction and history, always has, and always will have some sort of past experience, or motivation, that drives them to commit the wrongs that they do. Murderers have a motive, perhaps a cheating partner, or a vengeance killing. Paeodophiles can have had similarly disturbing actions done to them as children. Thieves may be trying to supply a drug addiction, that was born out of a neglectful upbringing, and poor neighbourhood. Genocidal maniacs may have been brain-washed by the war propoganda of a previous generation.
Okay, well maybe you and Nanaki misconstrued what I meant by Sasuke not being "evil". Let me lay it down in a clearer manner. The mental damage he had sustained all of those years ago plus Itachi, Orochimaru and Madara?s influences are what turned him into what he is currently. When someone goes insane they become a danger to themselves and others. In layman's terms, they could harm/kill (which could be considered by many as an "evil" act) themselves and or another person because they aren?t in their right mind any longer.

Although usually a person who goes insane were originally a good person and so where as their negative actions might be bad (or "evil") they did it not with their own consent/intention as the insanity robs them of the right to use their own conscience. Orochimaru/Danzou/Madara/Nagato/Gaara were all respectively insane/committed crimes but were all sane/good at some point in time before they became this way and I?m sorry to Sasuke haters/non-haters but in my opinion Sasuke falls into the same category as them.

It isn't enough to justify Sasuke's actions. We're able to "understand" him, (a key phrase here, in the very same way Naruto was able to examine Nagato's past and reach a similar conclusion), but that doesn't justify wrong-doings. In truth, there's no such thing as darkness. Only white and grey. Black doesn't really exist.
I understand but just how Gaara/Konan are able to live a happy life with everybody excepting them why can?t Sasuke if he is changed by Naruto.

And there are fair differences between the situations you referenced for other characters. Gaara was a lot younger when Naruto encountered him. 12, the same as him. He'd been brought up in the same way as Naruto, shunned by the village, with the difference, that sometimes the ninja in Suna would actually attempt to kill him. There was little so suggest he had ever inflicted harm other than in self-defense, until that adult he trusted so deeply, acted against him. Also, at twelve years old, a persons perceptions, and opinions are far more malleable than those of someone on the brink of adulthood (Sasuke). Gaara encountered Naruto and saw that things didn't need to be the way they were. Naruto had gone through a similar childhood, but he wasn't a bad person. He was strong, determined, and loyal to his village.

Suna hadn't really started accepting Gaara until he demonstrated his loyalties to the village, and the effort with which he protected them as Kazekage. It's going to take a lot for Sasuke to do that. Especially if he's planning to destroy Konoha. I can't see that the Hidden Leaf would have been able to forgive Nagato. Naruto was, yes, but the rest of the village? I struggle to believe that.

The thing is, Sasuke has already seen these qualities. Both in Gaara and Naruto. But his stance hasn't changed.

As for Konan, she always struck me as more of a "follower" anyway. I never got the impression that she was anything but a good person, caught up in Nagato and Yahiko's dream. She was just a young girl, sticking close to the only two people that really looked out for her, and one of them became "Pain" after the other's death. She just chose to remain loyal to her friend. And in fairness, there's nothing to suggest that the Hidden Rain had any idea about Akatsuki's involvement in their governing. Konan never comitted any crimes against them. It's difficult to see why they wouldn't accept her.

The difference between Sasuke, and Naruto & Gaara, is that while they were more broken from the beginning, they were built up into heroes. Sasuke, however, was a child prodigy, an Uchiha, a skilled ninja. Bit by bit he's been broken down further and further.
The reason I chose Gaara was because he lost his mind due to his uncle?s betrayal at a young age and had committed crimes etc. until Naruto turned his life around but that is very similar to what happened with Sasuke. He had mental damage from Itachi/Tsukuyomi at a young age and until Danzou?s fight did he finally become insane completely like how Gaara became as a child. It only took Sasuke years but it happened. I used Konan due to her criminal past. You say that she was good, never committed crimes against her own village and only followed after Nagato but that doesn?t excuse her decisions.

She should have rather been like Naruto who has done everything in his power to change Sasuke rather than "follow" him into a criminal organization that executes murder etc. You say Konan did not commit crimes against her village but who can say she didn?t for Akatsuki? Listen, I understand what you are trying to say as Gaara/Konan had different lives than Sasuke but you say Sasuke?s actions can not be justified but then you say that Gaara/Konan can. They were able to be changed by Naruto so why can?t Sasuke? Sasuke?s more "evil" actions have been out of his insanity much like that of Gaara and yet Gaara was given a second chance and so I believe that Sasuke should as well.

This excludes the fact that he is my favorite character because even if he wasn?t there have been other characters that have been changed and attained a second chance at life so it wouldn?t be illogical if Sasuke receives the same chance if he is indeed turned by Naruto. The only difference I see with Sasuke is that Kishi is taking a longer time to change him and a possible reason could be that he wanted to do something different than what has been done to others (who were changed by Naruto) and decided to have Sasuke resist Naruto and continue down his path to vengeance but eventually I think that Naruto will be able to change him whether it be through his changing ability or through Itachi?s gift, etc.​
 

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Here we have Sasuke laughing to then shouting out at Kakashi bring back everybody like a lunatic. Madara?s intervention caused Sasuke to break and in doing so it gradually led him to lose himself completely.


This is a sample of what Sasuke?s psyche has become after having his complete break down towards the end of the Danzou fight. He could have at least imagine Naruto and Sakura older as he has already seen them, I can understand the rest as he hasn?t seen them in all of these years but nevertheless it can show just how he is currently thinking.



He is so far gone that he believes the entire village is at fault for the Uchiha?s suffering etc. and when he obtained a quarter of revenge it meant everything to him as proven with his statement of receiving a high unlike anything. Sasuke?s deranged mind believes that Konoha has corrupted his clan to the point where it needs to be destroyed and everyone along with it in order to purify/revive.

Based on the fact that he tried to kill Karin/Sakura/Kakashi for no real apparent reason as it would not further his goal only further proves his insanity and why shouldn?t he be changed by Naruto just like Tsunade, Gaara, Nagato, (through changing Nagato Konan was changed as well) were all changed for the better when Gaara/Nagato especially seemed like lost cases?

Sasuke should be changed by Naruto because he has changed others and Sasuke is the one he cares the most for. I have observed people saying that he will not be forgiven by Konoha but if you think about it why would Naruto even bother to go through all he has done to revert Sasuke if there wasn?t a chance that Konoha wouldn?t accept him back? In my opinion, I believe that Naruto will make everyone understand and Kakashi is the current candidate Hokage who understands Sasuke?s situation completely which would mean that Sasuke should have more than a fighting chance if he indeed changed. However, after his plead to stop avenging was to no avail, he gave up all faith and decided to put a stop to Sasuke but Naruto did not allow this to happen as his faith still burned deeply. This is what the people that debate this situation seem to forget. I?m not saying that he shouldn?t atone for what he has done but if you truly think about it Sasuke's worst crimes were committed after Madara confessed. The Kirabi situation was done out of the corruption and intervention on Madara?s part as the half truth caused Sasuke to lose a big part of himself and from then on out he was never the same. When he fought with Deidara/Itachi he was cool, calm, collected and acted like the genius he was. Although, only after the confession did Sasuke's fights from then on (Kirabi/Raikage/Danzou in the beginning of the fight) were fought recklessly/not like his former self and ended up insane (losing himself/conscience).

I did not intend to doublepost but for some reason I cannot edit my thread so I'm going to have to post this extra here.​
 

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Re: Sasuke’s insanity

until manga 485 i shared your opinion Kuroi Honoo, i simply said to myself that his psyche got a little damage.
But after 485, i wondered.
To start from the beginning, i have to say that i never saw sasuke as a natural avenger, for me he wasnt even more hatefull than anyone else, possibly even less. He is a person who controls his emotions, thats why he seems to be cold. His clan was slaughtered, it was shown to him 3 days in a row, and he still managed to start getting over it after 5 or 6 years. everyone else would have completely lost his mind, but sasuke was stronger and even began to resocialize after becoming member of team 7. than he met itachi again, who gave him a second brainwash, oro got the right timing and used sasukes hunger for power, again something given to him by itachi by showing his superiority to sasuke
after that sasuke began to act differently, he seemed to want to fulfill the imagination he had of an avenger. you can see his inner conflict in his 2nd fight against naruto, where he tried to kill him, which would have increased his power enormously, but in the end hesitated and let him alive. so obviously at that point of the story, he wasnt able to fulfill this imagination at any cost.

to get to the heart of what i want to say, for me sasuke always had two sides. the side what he wants to be and how he wants to be seen, and the side what he feels and thinks.

and after 485 i think there are still huge differences between these two sides, even after all his fights in the last few months. i think that that's the case because of his reaction on naruto in the rasengan-chidori-dimension.




here you can see him "public". it's the sasuke we have seen in the last few months, insane, aggressive and completely ruthless. he isnt interested in anything except his justification and insults people who want to talk to him. the mass-murderer.

and now watch him on these sides:


he seems to be calm, self-controlled and not agressive. he is another person, reminding me on the sasuke who fought naruto in the VotE. he let naruto talk, listens to him and gives him a calm and reasonable answer, you could even consider him being sad while he says that it's to late to change him, using the term as if he wanted to be changed, but doesnt think that it's still possible.

so it's possible that sasuke isnt really insane, but acts as if he was because he wants to look like being it because he wants to fulfill a role.
 

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Last chapter Sasuke wasn't psycho when he and naruto were traped in there regansan, chidori collision. Seems he has some respect for Naruto seeing as he didn't say how bad he wanted to kill him like he did with kakashi.
 

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until manga 485 i shared your opinion Kuroi Honoo, i simply said to myself that his psyche got a little damage.
But after 485, i wondered.
To start from the beginning, i have to say that i never saw sasuke as a natural avenger, for me he wasnt even more hatefull than anyone else, possibly even less. He is a person who controls his emotions, thats why he seems to be cold. His clan was slaughtered, it was shown to him 3 days in a row, and he still managed to start getting over it after 5 or 6 years. everyone else would have completely lost his mind, but sasuke was stronger and even began to resocialize after becoming member of team 7. than he met itachi again, who gave him a second brainwash, oro got the right timing and used sasukes hunger for power, again something given to him by itachi by showing his superiority to sasuke
after that sasuke began to act differently, he seemed to want to fulfill the imagination he had of an avenger. you can see his inner conflict in his 2nd fight against naruto, where he tried to kill him, which would have increased his power enormously, but in the end hesitated and let him alive. so obviously at that point of the story, he wasnt able to fulfill this imagination at any cost.

to get to the heart of what i want to say, for me sasuke always had two sides. the side what he wants to be and how he wants to be seen, and the side what he feels and thinks.

and after 485 i think there are still huge differences between these two sides, even after all his fights in the last few months. i think that that's the case because of his reaction on naruto in the rasengan-chidori-dimension.




here you can see him "public". it's the sasuke we have seen in the last few months, insane, aggressive and completely ruthless. he isnt interested in anything except his justification and insults people who want to talk to him. the mass-murderer.

and now watch him on these sides:


he seems to be calm, self-controlled and not agressive. he is another person, reminding me on the sasuke who fought naruto in the VotE. he let naruto talk, listens to him and gives him a calm and reasonable answer, you could even consider him being sad while he says that it's to late to change him, using the term as if he wanted to be changed, but doesnt think that it's still possible.

so it's possible that sasuke isnt really insane, but acts as if he was because he wants to look like being it because he wants to fulfill a role.
Sumimasen (excuse me) for responding back to you this late -_- Well, I can definitely see your point of view on the matter and I can agree it could be a possibility that he might not be insane. In my opinion, if not insane then there could lye the possibility that his nefarious actions have been due to his hatred. I too will keep my mind open as there are other probabilities out there ^.^​
 

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He is ****ed up in the head some way or another. He wanted to kill Kakashi and that is pointless. Kakashi is like the only person who could have taught him with the sharingan. I was hoping his character would be completely different more like Kakashi like naruto is like jiriaya.
 

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Wow you guys write ALOT!
i agree with kuroi AND nanaki. Madara/sasuke/ and Nagato's plots were definitely insane but like nanaki stated the THOUGHT they are doing good. Just like kuroi said a sane person would NOT do that. I think that is because a sane (normal) ninja would overlook these things and decide they are wrong. But these other characters are driven by their emotions, they have been traumatized in life and probably scarred forever. But deep in their heart they want what they think is "right" (other than madara i think his plans are really selfish mostly...... )
Sasuke just wants his version of "justice" for his clan. His version is obviously sort of twisted but seriously there is no "right" way to bring justice. Some people would be like just leave it alone and move on with your life. But then no one will be punished for what happened. But also on the other hand you can't go killing every person ,even the innocent, to obtain this "justice" i just dont think there really is a way to make it right unless someone revives them all which obviously wont happen.

In nagato's situation his parents were killed so he deeply wants his version of "peace" (see the resemblance) but like i said before there is no real "peace" See if nagato goes and kills millions of innocent people that is NOT peace. But if you just leave it be then they will continue to fight. Obviously for real peace then there would be no money, ninjas, work or anything. Everyone would be "equal" and that isn't going to happen soon because if just one person isn't EXACTLY the same as another then people get jealous and fighting begins. This way might be wrong but you get the point it is nearly impossible for real peace.

So i think Nagato and Sasuke Have TWISTED and INSANE plots but they have good reasons and definetely have their own reasons.
 

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He is ****ed up in the head some way or another. He wanted to kill Kakashi and that is pointless. Kakashi is like the only person who could have taught him with the sharingan. I was hoping his character would be completely different more like Kakashi like naruto is like jiriaya.
I dont think his reaction to kakashi was genuine, sasuke was apparently stressed when he confronted him and knowing that kakashi is a potential object in his path of revenge, he uttered rubbish!
 

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Here we have Sasuke laughing to then shouting out at Kakashi bring back everybody like a lunatic. Madara?s intervention caused Sasuke to break and in doing so it gradually led him to lose himself completely.


This is a sample of what Sasuke?s psyche has become after having his complete break down towards the end of the Danzou fight. He could have at least imagine Naruto and Sakura older as he has already seen them, I can understand the rest as he hasn?t seen them in all of these years but nevertheless it can show just how he is currently thinking.



He is so far gone that he believes the entire village is at fault for the Uchiha?s suffering etc. and when he obtained a quarter of revenge it meant everything to him as proven with his statement of receiving a high unlike anything. Sasuke?s deranged mind believes that Konoha has corrupted his clan to the point where it needs to be destroyed and everyone along with it in order to purify/revive.

Based on the fact that he tried to kill Karin/Sakura/Kakashi for no real apparent reason as it would not further his goal only further proves his insanity and why shouldn?t he be changed by Naruto just like Tsunade, Gaara, Nagato, (through changing Nagato Konan was changed as well) were all changed for the better when Gaara/Nagato especially seemed like lost cases?

Sasuke should be changed by Naruto because he has changed others and Sasuke is the one he cares the most for. I have observed people saying that he will not be forgiven by Konoha but if you think about it why would Naruto even bother to go through all he has done to revert Sasuke if there wasn?t a chance that Konoha wouldn?t accept him back? In my opinion, I believe that Naruto will make everyone understand and Kakashi is the current candidate Hokage who understands Sasuke?s situation completely which would mean that Sasuke should have more than a fighting chance if he indeed changed. However, after his plead to stop avenging was to no avail, he gave up all faith and decided to put a stop to Sasuke but Naruto did not allow this to happen as his faith still burned deeply. This is what the people that debate this situation seem to forget. I?m not saying that he shouldn?t atone for what he has done but if you truly think about it Sasuke's worst crimes were committed after Madara confessed. The Kirabi situation was done out of the corruption and intervention on Madara?s part as the half truth caused Sasuke to lose a big part of himself and from then on out he was never the same. When he fought with Deidara/Itachi he was cool, calm, collected and acted like the genius he was. Although, only after the confession did Sasuke's fights from then on (Kirabi/Raikage/Danzou in the beginning of the fight) were fought recklessly/not like his former self and ended up insane (losing himself/conscience).

I did not intend to doublepost but for some reason I cannot edit my thread so I'm going to have to post this extra here.​
I definitely agree that in all of sasuke's suffering he has become insane. I think he should have a chance to be changed but since Naruto thinks of him as a brother it might be easier AND harder at the same time

Easier: they know each other and if anyone can change sasuke's mind its his best friend (naruto)

Harder: in all other situations naruto defeats the people he changes first but with sasuke he might be more hesitant to defeat him
 
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