[Predictions] Naruto Manga 488 Discussion and 489 Predictions

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my predictions:

kakashi becomes leader of ANBU root since Sai did suggest this.

Tsunade retains hokage title

naruto will master the power itachi gave him
you make a good point kakashi may be given the opportunity to become leader of AMBU since he was former AMBU and he knows alot about them. Also he is well respected by the elders and the hokage(tsunade). So he could he offered that position.

As for naruto and itachis gift it isn't certain what the give was we just see one of itachis crows go down narutos throat and itachi says that he hopes naruto never has to use that power(meaning the gift). I think it would be something like itachis chakra will fly out of naruto and take itachis form and itachi will talk to sasuke or something of that sort.
 

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I think you give Sasuke an unreasonable amount of credit. I don't care if Sasuke is like a blood brother to Naruto, it is plainly nonsensical that Naruto still cares for him after the fact that he tried to kill Sakura, Kakashi, tried to kill him without remorse, and pledged to destroy all the innocent people of the Leaf Village. That is an offense that only in this manga would be overlooked. Even friendship has a limit, and Sasuke has gone over it too many times. It seems as though your sharingan isn't as good as mine, foolish little brother...
I totally understand that this is your opinion but I don?t necessarily agree with it. Naruto himself stated that he could have easily been in Sasuke?s position, which meant that if certain factors played out differently he himself would have been out for Konohagakure?s destruction. Iruka was there for Naruto and provided him with a shoulder to lean on during the times of crisis he had during his childhood. Naruto is merely trying to do what Iruka did for him with Sasuke ? change all of his hate into something else. Gaara also tried to kill Sakura and plotted with his village to bring destruction to Konohagakure and Naruto may have been angry/hated him at the time but I believe if Naruto personally knew him then he would have attempted to help/change him. Sasuke is an entirely different case for Naruto ? he sees him as a brother and he was also his first real ?bond?. If you had a brother who was confused and angry your country and acted out on irrational decisions would you stop caring for him/abandon him? Naruto is playing the compassionate brother role and I don?t see how it is so ?nonsensical?. Just as you see things from your side there are others who view things from an opposite standpoint.

You missed the point. He insulted people from the Western Hemisphere just because of their opinion. That was quite a racist statement when you think about it. I think he needs some anti-hate pills. Are you from the West? I was defending you! What does being from the west have to do with an opinion on manga? I think people should learn to think before they say things that might offend others...
I?m a westerner and I didn?t consider his statement an insult. Again, it is a matter of personal interpretation and doesn?t necessarily mean he intended it as such.

After careful consideration I would have to agree with his standpoint as this forum is a prime example of how people overdramatically take the power-up issue. If People can?t handle or simply don?t approve of it then I personally believe that they would be better off not even reading them in the first place as practically half of the shounen manga in general are based off of power-ups.

i.e. Dragonball Z, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Bleach etc.

This part of my post is directed at the People who believe Sasuke?s Eien no Mangekyou made him instantly godly.

The Sharingan is the Uchiha clan?s Kekkei Genkai respectfully and it so happens that they are able to further advance them through combat/killing a close friend - relative, emotional pain and or stealing/receiving another member's eyes.

If Sasuke did in fact receive Eien no Mangekyou it isn't like he would be instantly godly with it and know every single detail about it, he would be good but only through battling/training could he perfectly perfect its usage. The Uchiha alongside the Senju clan obviously trained to master their skills whether it was through actual training or through battle so it wasn't like they just received their power and didn?t ever need to train. The two clans both held the top tier status by perfecting their skills meaning that they must have practiced a lot, no? I do admit the Uchiha are granted extremely powerful Doujutsu but they must pay a price which is having to kill one another or go through emotional stress. Everyone else has to go through hard labor to receive their skills but you should keep in mind that only through actual labor are the Uchiha then able to master theirs as well.
 

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489: Difficult decisions

Naruto is eating at Ichiruku Ramen while the cook watches with pride. Naruto notices and stops to look at him. The cook sees next to Naruto the image of Naruto as a small boy sitting on the stool having ramen. The cook then smiles as the image vanishes.
Cook: "I was just thinking back to when you were a small boy first coming here to have ramen for the first time."
Naruto: "Yeah those were good times."
Shikimaru then walks over and pulls up a seat next to Naruto.
Shikimaru: "The others are still shocked by what you said about Sasuke. Do you really think that he is that unbeatable."
The cook smiles and brings over some food for Shikimaru. Naruto looks down but then puts his food asside and turns to face Shikimaru.
Naruto: "Have you ever truly had to kill a friend or partner Shikimaru?"
Shikimaru: "Sasuke is no longer your friend or partner Naruto."
Naruto: "You dodged the question. Have you ever truly had to kill a friend or partner?"
Shikimaru thinking: "Where is he going with this?"
Naruto: "You haven't because like it or not you never have had to make that decision. Sakura was put to that same test as was Kakashi but in both cases they could not do it."
Shikimaru: "So you are saying that if it came down to killing Sasuke I would not be able to do it?"
Naruto: "You would hesitate like everyone else because like it or not you still are not able to put asside your respect for everyone else. Thus if you had to kill anyone else here you would hesitate just like Sakura did."
Shikimaru: "And when I hesitate Sasuke would kill me. I get what you are saying now. If any of us try to fight him we will only stop ourselves and try to take him alive. That is why Sasuke would have an advantage over us."
Naruto nods his head, takes a drink, and then looks at Shikimaru.
Shikimaru: "But what makes you so sure that you can do what we can not?"
Naruto: "Sasuke and I have always been rivals. Always on a competeing level to see who is better. I get strong and Sasuke gets stronger. When we fight we fight until there is almost nothing left to hold us back. We are both equal and in many ways the same so odds are that if and when we do fight again we will fight until neither of us is able to fight back which means either one of has killed the other or probably both of us are dead."
Shikimaru's eyes widen as he realizes what Naruto is implying.
Shikimaru: "I understand now. I wish I did not understand now but now I see the burden you carry. I will try to stop the others. If what you suggest is true than we would only be a burden to you when that time comes."
Naruto starts to eat Ramen again while Shikimaru looks at Naruto.
Shikimaru thinking: "Damn now I feel stupid. This is such a drag."

Kakashi is visiting Tsunade as she lays on her bed in her room. Tsunade looks up at Kakashi as he enters. Tsunade sits up while kakashi leans against the wall.
Tsunade: "Hokage?"
Kakashi: "I wouldn't have expected it to happen myself but it seems that is what everyone is leaning towards. The others villages agree on it. The other jonin think it is for the best. Even the elders are convinced. Whether I like it or not I am the next hokage."
Tsunade: "But do you think you can handle it?"
Kakashi: "There are larger problems for me to be concerned about than mere titles."
Tsunade: "Its Naruto isn't it? What happened?"
Kakashi sits down next to Tsunade and looks her straight in the face.
Kakashi: "It seems that history is repeating iself with the Sanin."
Tsunade: "So Sasuke has sunk that low huh?"
Kakashi: "There is no bringing him back any more. The only solution I can see as an end to this conflict is for Sasuke to die."
Tsunade: "And with Naruto being similar to Jiraiya, he is determined to face Sasuke to the end just as Jiraiya was willing to only that final conflict never happened."
Kakashi: "I just don't know if I can think of any way to stop it."
Tsunade flashes back to Jiraiya as a young boy as they were getting a picture taken altogether.
Tsunade: "Im sure you will think of something Hokage-sama. Now if you do not mind I need to get some rest. Im still recovering from the fight with pain."
Kakashi slowly leaves while Tsunade lays back down in her bed. As Tsunade falls assleep one last thought goes through her head as she flashes back to Jiraiya as she last saw him.
Tsunade thinking: "Oh if only you were here Jiraiya. You would know what to do."

Naruto is wandering through Konoha at night when he suddenly sees a distant looming shadow seem to reach out at him from a distance away. Suddenly snakes move all around him and restraining him as he sees Kabuto moving towards him from the distance. Naruto struggles to reach for his kunai. Kabuto waves his finger at him.
Kabuto: "Relax Naruto. I am not here to kill you. I come to you now as an ally seeking to offer you a deal in exchange for a favor."
Naruto: "What will this favor cost me exactly?"
Kabuto: "Removal of the bounty placed on my head by Konoha.
Naruto: "And in return what do I get?"
Kabuto: "The one weapon Orochimaru was gonna use if the power of the Uchiha was too great to eliminate by physical means."
Kabuto reveals a vial containing a purple fluid. Kabuto stands face to face with Naruto only an inch or two away from his face.
Kabuto: "A specificly designed genetic virus to do one thing and one thing only, rob the uchiha of the greatest weapon, their eyes."
Naruto reaches his kunai but suddenly he finds himself all alone on the street with no one in sight.
Kabuto: "That is my offer. I will await your decision."

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-Tsunade?s Recovery

(The scene starts off in Konoha? Naruto and Iruka are enjoying bowls of Ramen at Ichiraku.)

Iruka: As always, as of late, we haven?t had much time to talk to together (Iruka smiles).

Naruto: Oh, uh, sorry, it?s just I?ve been really busy?

Iruka: That?s fine. (Iruka puts his hand on Naruto?s shoulder.) I?m proud of you. Saving the village from the likes of Pain, if Jiraiya was here, I?m certain he?d feel the same way that I, as well as the villagers feel? (Naruto shrugs off.) Is something wrong Naruto?

Naruto: Well, that?s not how Shikamaru, Kiba, Neji, and the others feel.

Iruka: Hmm?

Naruto: I mean about Sasuke? I know in my heart that what I?m doing is right, but-(Naruto gets cut off).

Iruka: You?ll pull through, you always do?

Naruto: Iruka sensei?

Naruto (in thought): It?s more than just wanting to stop Sasuke from harming the village and be able to know that I did? I need the power to do so, but at this moment, I?m just not-(Iruka starts talking.)

Iruka: Your ramen will get cold if you don?t eat up?

Naruto: Oh, uh, yeah? Thanks? (Naruto starts to chow down. Immediately, Sakura appears behind Iruka and Naruto, and is ready to tell them of something important.)

Sakura: Iruka sensei! Naruto! HURRY, YOU GUYS HAVE TO COME WITH ME! (Naruto turns his head to face Sakura.)

Naruto: What is it? Can?t it wait? I?ll get to it when I?m done eating? (While Sakura grunts, Naruto turns around and stuffs his face with more ramen, immediately Sakura knocks Naruto upside the head, which causes him to start to choke on his food?) AWWK! AWWK!

Iruka: *Sigh.*

Sakura: It?s Tsunade Sama, I?ve heard that she?s awaken? (Naruto and Iruka turn around to face Sakura? They both have an amazed and shocked look on their faces. The scene switches over to a forested area. The unnamed Konoha shinobi that went to break up Kakashi?s appointment, the two unnamed Anbu, Kakashi, Homura, and Koharu are rushing from the Fire Capital to Konoha.)

Koharu: Hatake, was it really necessary for you to leave the Capital?

Kakashi: Is asking such a question even necessary? This is Tsunade we?re talking about.

Homura: Kohura and I, as advisors, will be enough to inform the lady of her terms. All you need to do is await appointment?

Unnamed shinobi (in thought): Those elders don?t in the least bit sound happy about the Lady?s recovery.

Homura (in thought): So, the Slug Queen awakens? This will put our political climate in quite the predicament. Hopefully, Koharu has my back on this one. (Homura glances over at Koharu, she nods her head as to suggest that an agreement between them is valid.)

Kakashi (in thought): I see, so that?s how things are. Those two, what could they be planning?

(The scene switches back over to Konoha. The scene is outside Tsunade?s cabin. There is a huge crowd gathered outside. Naruto, Sakura, and Iruka make it to the location.)

Sakura: SEE! I told you Naruto! Because of you we have to push our way through!

Naruto: SORRY! I was on a full stomach! (Naruto and Sakura are walking forward, however, the two of them are taken off guard when they picked up on that Iruka is just standing behind them.)

Hey! Aren?t you coming to see granny too!

Iruka: Nahh, I?ll pass? Don?t worry, I?d be kinda off not to see her, but I?ll wait until the crowd dies down. Don?t let me slow you two down.

Naruto: Uh, ok! (Sakrua pulls Naruto by his hand and drags him through the crowd.)

Sakura: Naruto let?s go!

Naruto: Ok, ok, ok! Just don?t grip my hand so tightly!

(Through the crowd, people are glad to see Naruto.)

Some kid: Hey mama, it?s Naruto!

Some man: Naruto, how ya doin man?

Some woman: Hey, over here! You?ve come to see Lady Tsunade too!

(While continuously being dragged through the crowd, Naruto still tries to wave back.)

Naruto: Oh umm? Hi ALL! (Sakura squeezes his arm tighter.) OUCH!

Sakura: There?s no time for this Naruto! (While being pulled through the crowd by Sakura, the rookies can be seen among the crowd standing with their clansmen with the exception of Shikamaru. Both Naruto and Sakrua notices that Kotetsu and Izumo [they don?t notice Naruto and Sakura arriving though] are there standing guard in front of the door? )

Izumo: I think my vocals are going to give out? Can you handle this one?

Kotetsu: Fine? LISTEN UP EVERYONE! LADY TSUNADE NEEDS HER REST! WILL YOU ALL QUIET DOWN!

(As Naruto and Sakura reaches the door, she let?s Naruto go, and Naruto falls to the ground?)

Naruto: Sakrua, jeesh!

Sakura: C?mon, you have to let us see Tsuande Sama?

Kotetsu: Ahh, if it isn?t Naruto?

Izumo: Actually, the Lady has been waiting for you two.

(Sakrua tears up.)

Sakrua: Really? LET?s GO NARUTO! (She grabs Naruto?s arm again.)

Naruto (in thought): Not again? (Dragging Naruto, Sakura bursts into the door. Shizune, Shikamaru, and the unnamed medical ninja are present.)

Shikamaru: Gosh you?re late? Don?t bother running her ears off, I already told her everything that?s going on.

(Sakura starts to cry, she starts wiping her face.)

Sakura: Master, I, I?

Naruto: Granny? (Slight tear up.)

Tsunade: Going by your faces, you two make it seem like I?m still in a coma. (Sakura looks really pathetic, snot running from her nose, tears flowing like a river, and she?s biting her lip to stop herself from moaning.)

Sakrua: *Sob.*

(Shizune has a rest assured face on? Shikamaru looks annoyed yet looks somewhat joyful?)

Next Time: How will the Hokageship go down?

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Naruto chap. 489: A Frightful Reunion!

(Daimyo scene)
Daimyo: So tsunade's awaken from her coma,at last!
Kakashi: If Tsunade-Sama is out of her coma,shouldn't be re-assigned to the Hokage post?
Homura: But Tsunade wasn't able to protect the village from Akatsuki's infiltration,she is of no use as Hokage.
(Kakashi looks at Homura with a distressed look)
Daimyo: True,Tsunade didn't fulfill her job as a Hokage when she was needed the most,so I hereby appoint you,Hatake Kakashi as Hokage!
(Kakashi looks down)
Kakashi: Fine,I accept!
Daimyo: This meeting is hereby adjourned.Return to Konoha to prepare for war at once!
Kakashi: Right.

(Naruto scene)
Naruto: Aaaaah,haven't had a nice meal like this in a long time.
(Naruto hears some villagers talking while running)
Villager #1: Did you hear?Tsunade-Sama's finally awoke!
Villager #2: Really!?Let's hurry over then!
(Naruto's face warms up and starts smiling)
Naruto: So granny woke up,eh.Let's go see her.

(Kakashi scene)
(Kakashi is outside Tsunade's tent.He enters the tent,and finds Tsunade lying down with her eyes closed)
Kakashi: She must be sleeping.I'll come back later.
(Kakashi is about to exit the tent)
Tsunade: I slept enough,come in,i'am awake.
Kakashi: I came to tell you something Tsuande.
Tsunade: What is it!?
Kakashi: The Fire country appointed me as Hokage.
Tsunade: Congratulations!
Kakashi: But i didn't want to take your seat without your permission.
Tsunade: Don't worry about it.I was getting tired of that boring paperwork anyway.
Kakashi: I'am glad your okay with it.I should let you have some rest.
(Kakashi walks out)
(Tsunade in thought) : So i'am finally free.

(Sasuke scene)
(Sasuke's eyes are fully red,with Itachi's Mangekyou in the middle)
Sasuke: Madara!
Madara: What is it!?
Sasuke: I'am going to fight Naruto now!
Madara: Hold on sasuke,now's not the time.Itachi's eyes have just been transplanted to.....
(Madara is cut off)
Sasuke: I SAID NOW!I can kill him now!
Madara: Fine,just don't blame me if you find yourself losing.
Sasuke: I won't lose!
(Zetsu looks at Madara with a worried look on his face)
(Madara grabs Sasuke and warps)

The End

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Sasuke is laying in bed with his bandages wrapped around his head covering his eyes..
Sasuke:you surpassed me once... (flashback of naruto fighting gaara at the chunin exams protecting him and sakura) you shall never surpass me again

Madara walks into the room
Madara:talking to yourself i see.. hehehehe... your going crazy
Sasuke:shut up and leave me alone i still need time to heal
Madarak as you wish... madara walks out the room thinking to himself
The shinobi world shall bare witness to the destiny of light & darkness, senju vs uchiha, naruto vs sasuke..... hehehehe.. fools a fight to the death... i might have to stop sasuke to save naruto... i need him to syncwith gedo mazo but i can't replace a bijuu...

switch scence to sand village
Gaara:temari i want you to put together a team and head out for the hidden leaf village and guard naruto
Temari:yes sir

switch scence to the hidden mist village

Mizukage:Ao im sending you and your squad to help assit in the protection of their jinchuriki
Ao:are u crazy but the hyuuga(he gets interupted)
Mizukage:im well aware of that but even so we must protect that boy at all cost but if something were to go wrong do what u must and come back here to the village
Ao:understood

switch scence to konoha
Tsunade:naruto i have already been informed of whats been happening and if what shika maru tells me is true you'll all need to prepare and train and become stronger we don't have much time..shizune bring the forbidden scrolls and givr them to kakashi..kakashi and yamato i'll leave the rest up to you
Kakashi:i promise we wont fail you(kakashi notice the serious look on naruto's face)
Naruto:i will do this on one condition
Tsundae:what is it?
Naruto:konohamaru is to accompany me for trainning
Kakashi:no he'll just get in the way
naruto:no he(iterupted by tsunade)
Tsunade:so be it konohamaru is also going

switch scence to konoha jail cell

Sakura:has sasuke ever talked about us? its been so long and he seems so different? and did he really kill his brother?...
Karin:not really.. he's changed so much i sensed dark entity controllong him.... sasuke once told me he could never forgive himself for killing his brother but said he finally understands why his brother wanted to die by his hands...
Sakura:why was that
Karin:to make him strong.. sasuke said after he avenges his clan he wishes to die by the hand of friend to prove to prove to him he's strong enough to rid this world of his pain and hatred and become HOKAGE!!!!
(Sakura with a shocked expression on her face)

switch scence to sasuke

as a dark entity stands in sasukes shadow sasuke begins to remove his bandages slowly open his eyes they start 2 glow bright red with blood lust as the era of vengence begins

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Naruto 489: The Slug Princess

(The scene is the Daimyo meeting)

Daimyo: Ah, well erm we can't have two hokages, can we?

Homura: Even if she's awake she can't be in any condition to lead us into war.

Daimyo: That is a good point.

Kakashi: Um, may I point out that we don't know what condition she's in, she is Tsunade after all.

Scene change to Tsunade

Shizune (crying): Tsunade-sama!!!! I never thought...

Sakura runs in.

Sakura (crying) : Sensei! I just heard. We , we thought you'd never wake up.

Tsunade: Well, I guess you were wrong. Now tell me what I've missed.

Sakura and Shizune try to talk to Tsunade by they keep bursting into tears.

Tsunade (thinking) : I guess better get Kakashi.

All of a sudden there's a commotion. Naruto barges in, he's pissed.

Naruto: Tsunade-ba, I heard you were awake! Make this weirdo stop following me!

Sakura punches Naruto.

Sakura: Be more sensetive!

Tsunade: No, its alright, Naruto I wanted to see you. Thank you, for saving the village.

Naruto: Its no problem, I'll do it anytime.

Tsunade: Jirayia would have been so proud.

Naruto: Yeah, and my father too.

Tsunade: Your... father?

Naruto: Yeah, I'll tell you about it later. First, get this crazy person away from me.

Tsunade: Who are you talking about?

A voice: Hey, let go of me!
Shikamaru walks in, he's holding Karin.

Shikamaru: Should you be spying on the hokage?

Karin: I wasn't... I was just trying to find out...

Naruto (pointing at Karin) : Its her! Stop following me!

Tsunade: Who is she?

Sakura: She was traveling with Sasuke, she left him and came back to Konoha with us, Sensei?

Tsunade seems to have gone white. She has a flashback.

Tsunade wakes up in the tent, its night and no one seems to be around.

Tsunade: What happened?

A voice: So she awakes...

Tsunade: Who is it!?

The voice laughs.

Tsunade: I know that laugh, but how, is it you Oro-?

Kabuto steps into view.

Kabuto: I guess you're still a bit addled.

Tsunade: You! I thought I sent someone to kill you.

Kabuto: Tsk, tsk you should be more polite to the person whose giving you life.

Tsunade: Giving me..

Kabuto: Your condition is serious, you should be dead. Fortunately I was able to give you temporary treatment. Enough to awaken and live long enough to do my bidding.

Tsunade: Why you.. how long do I have?

Kabuto: Could be a week, two weeks, two days, I'm not sure. But I really need your help.

Tsunade: Dammit, and why should I trust you?

Kabuto: Because I could easily kill you and the people I've put to sleep to get to you tonight. As I see it I gave you this life so you'll do what I please with it. Don't worry I'm not entirely heartless.

Tsunade: Fine, I'll do what you want but under one condition leave everyone in the leaf village unharmed tonight and tell me what you're up to.

Kabuto: That's not really one condition..

Tsunade: You'd be amazed how hard I can make your life in a few days.

Kabuto: Fine.

?.....

Tsunade: But, that's....

Kabuto: Do it, you agreed didn't you?

Tsunade: How will I recognize...?

Kabuto: Naruto will be all the help you need. Oh and try not to let them know I was here.

Tsunade: Huh...why am I...

Kabuto: Well I can't have you awake like this, timing is everything.

Back to present.

Tsunade: Sorry, this girl reminds me of someone. So you were with Sasuke? And he had some other companions right?

Karin: Um, yeah, two in fact.

Tsunade: Right, Naruto! Starting right now you are on a mission to find those companions and bring them to Konaha.

Naruto: But I can't, I have to train!

Tsunade: Naruto, this is an order from your Hokage.

Naurto: I thought Kakashi was...

Tsunade: Not yet he isn't. Also you're taking her with you.

Naruto: You've got to be kidding! She's the one I'm trying to get away from!

Tsunade (to Karin): That's okay with you right?

Karin: Um, I guess. Those guys might be looking for me.

Shizune: Tsunade-sama, aren't you rushing a bit, I mean shouldn't you send a chunin or jounin with them.

Tsunade: Yeah. Shikamaru you're going too.

Shikamaru: But I came here for something else..

Tsunade: One more thing, I'm going to prepare a scroll. You're to meet a jounin in the field. The scroll will order her to suspend her mission and join yours.

Shikamaru: Her? Another girl?

Tsunade: Actually a kunoichi who has experience with Orochimaru and his men.

Karin (thinking): Who could she be talking about?

Naruto: What are you doing? Write that scroll. I need to complete this mission as fast as possible!

Sakura (wearily): Naruto....

What is this new mission? What is Kabuto up to?

Next time, 490: A Tale of Two Chakras
 

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you make a good point kakashi may be given the opportunity to become leader of AMBU since he was former AMBU and he knows alot about them. Also he is well respected by the elders and the hokage(tsunade). So he could he offered that position.

As for naruto and itachis gift it isn't certain what the give was we just see one of itachis crows go down narutos throat and itachi says that he hopes naruto never has to use that power(meaning the gift). I think it would be something like itachis chakra will fly out of naruto and take itachis form and itachi will talk to sasuke or something of that sort.
No! This reminds me of the fight between Sasuke and Danzo when Itachi appeared at the end of the episode and then there was the long break. We all thought Itachi was alive! But in the very next episode we saw that it was just an illusion and our hearts were broken.
 

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After careful consideration I would have to agree with his standpoint as this forum is a prime example of how people overdramatically take the power-up issue. If People can’t handle or simply don’t approve of it then I personally believe that they would be better off not even reading them in the first place as practically half of the shounen manga in general are based off of power-ups.

i.e. Dragonball Z, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Bleach etc.

This part of my post is directed at the People who believe Sasuke’s Eien no Mangekyou made him instantly godly.

The Sharingan is the Uchiha clan’s Kekkei Genkai respectfully and it so happens that they are able to further advance them through combat/killing a close friend - relative, emotional pain and or stealing/receiving another member's eyes.

If Sasuke did in fact receive Eien no Mangekyou it isn't like he would be instantly godly with it and know every single detail about it, he would be good but only through battling/training could he perfectly perfect its usage. The Uchiha alongside the Senju clan obviously trained to master their skills whether it was through actual training or through battle so it wasn't like they just received their power and didn’t ever need to train. The two clans both held the top tier status by perfecting their skills meaning that they must have practiced a lot, no? I do admit the Uchiha are granted extremely powerful Doujutsu but they must pay a price which is having to kill one another or go through emotional stress. Everyone else has to go through hard labor to receive their skills but you should keep in mind that only through actual labor are the Uchiha then able to master theirs as well.
IMO, the recent powerup proved its justification. I think being an Uchiha, there's a high expectancy of a main antagonist like Sasuke getting the EMS.

Although, otoh, I will respect both opinions of powerups in general.

There is a standpoint that such powerups are necessary, and it's more of a culture in shonnen manga (correct me if I'm wrong).

There's another standpoint that powerups are too much, and it really doesn't seem to fit. I guess this was evident during the start of the kage summit, when Sasuke had lots of bouts which revealed his powerups one by one.

We are looking on the two sides of the story, the protagonist's and the antagonist's power levels. It's like sometimes they do meet up, other times they don't (like one is better than the other). Thus, there are opposing views. And, such views doesn't really depend on the race whatsover. I, too, didn't see anything racist on the previous comment and other comments for that matter. It's just a difference in terms of perspective.

TBH, there is no resolve to this. And, I think it's unfair for people who disagree not to read the manga. I believe people like them appreciate the manga as a whole, yet does not agree on some parts of it.

I give respect on both POVs, whether I agree or disagree with it. Only indifference will stop a person from reading the manga.
 
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I really want Naruto to have a one on one with Tsunade about his father, he's yet to speak of him to anyone. There's was a page where Kakashi asked Naruto about what his father told him but that was it. I believe Tsuande should know more about Naruto's dad than Kakashi.

Naruto once again needs to trained since he's been left behind again now that Sauske has EMS. I hope Tsunade speaks with Naruto about his dad, maybe now that Jiraya is dead, Tsuande might reveal something to Naruto since Jman cant tell him anymore since he's dead. Maybe something about a jutsu or something power up. Really cant wait til next chapter...
I'm with you on this one. I want to finally see some details about Naruto's father. There has to be more to the story than what we've been told. Like what happened to his mom? I also want to see Hinata and how Naruto responds to what she said. She's the only one we haven't seen in a long while. Maybe she's with Yamato? LOL
 

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I'm with you on this one. I want to finally see some details about Naruto's father. There has to be more to the story than what we've been told. Like what happened to his mom? I also want to see Hinata and how Naruto responds to what she said. She's the only one we haven't seen in a long while. Maybe she's with Yamato? LOL
xdDude if that really happened than i would cry and hate Kishi 4ever.:mad:
 

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I'm with you on this one. I want to finally see some details about Naruto's father. There has to be more to the story than what we've been told. Like what happened to his mom? I also want to see Hinata and how Naruto responds to what she said. She's the only one we haven't seen in a long while. Maybe she's with Yamato? LOL
Hinata was in the background in this chapter. I agree that there needs to be a conversation between Naruto and Hinata, but I feel that Naruto is avoiding speaking to her, not because he doesn't care, but, with the resolve he now seems to have to die with Sasuke, to avoid hurting her. Naruto has never liked seeing Hinata hurt or upset, so I can see that being the case.

Also, I've been thinking a lot about Itachi's gift. I'm very interested to see what it ends up being. I have a few ideas...For one, I have long thought that, despite his blindness, Itachi had the truest "sight" of any character in the manga. He seems to have had an insane foreknowledge of what was to come...he almost exactly predicted what Sasuke would decide following his death, almost to the point that it seemed more than just a guess. A friend pointed out that it might be possible, considering the many associations between blindness and seers, that with the blindness brought on by Mangekyo sharingan comes a sort of foresight - and sharingan has been described in such terms before. By taking Itachi's eyes and regaining his sight, Sasuke has given up this foresight. However, Naruto has gained this foresight from Itachi - and this is how he seems to know so much about what is going on right now. Just a thought about what Itachi's gift might be.
 

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No! This reminds me of the fight between Sasuke and Danzo when Itachi appeared at the end of the episode and then there was the long break. We all thought Itachi was alive! But in the very next episode we saw that it was just an illusion and our hearts were broken.
Yeah man I remember that I almost exploded in anger when I found out that itachi wasn't alive!!!!:mad:xd
 

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I think this page speaks volumes...

Naruto states he knew what sasuke was thinking. i think sasuke and naruto are on the same page now... i think naruto is going to help sasuke with his plan. i also believe that sasuke has been putting up a front, like his brother, to earn trust from the bad guys.

this page is where i think we see naruto and sasuke understand each other. sasuke says, "you.... when did you..." but he doesn't finish the sentence. we are lead to believe he's talking to zetsu because zetsu answers. but what if he was talking about naruto... wondering when naruto became so strong or when did naruto begin to understand sasuke's plan.

I believe sasuke expects that zetsu is ALWAYS around watching him. sasuke can't hold back or go easy or zetsu would report it to tobi and sasuke wouldn't get his EMS. i think pretty much everything sasuke has told tobi is meant to manipulate the akatsuki. sasuke knew what would happen if he used his MS and he used it a lot on purpose because he needed a reason to take itachi's eyes and being near blind is a pretty good reason... but having to fight naruto while almost blind is a perfect reason to take the eyes... so tobi would never suspect.

during and after the encounter with danzou, sasuke attacked karin and sakura. i think this was because he EXPECTED zetsu to be watching and needed to keep up the facade. i think it's possible that karin told sasuke, off panel, that she sensed 2 chakra sources and one huge chakra source behind them and gaining.

i think sasuke assumed the huge chakra source was naruto, though i'm not sure he could've guessed the other 2. in any case, with the info that karin had told him he was able to time his attack at karin with the arrival of the first 2 chakra sources. that way karin could get away and the spying zetsu would see that sasuke wasn't holding back.

i think sasuke timed his attack on sakura with the arrival of naruto... so naruto could stop him from killing her. again, sasuke maintains his facade in front of zetsu and sakura isn't hurt.

i think naruto and sasuke are working together now. naruto wants to be the only one to fight sasuke because sasuke would have to hold back against anyone else and his cover would be blown. only naruto has the power to make the fight look good. also i think the smile on sasuke's face after getting itachi's eyes is because he feels close itachi now.

BEAST prediction, and I believe in about 70 % but not all of it. I do believe that sasuke is manipulating Madara. I don't really think that he really wants to destroy the village. I think he really wants to KILL Madara, but knows that he needs more power. I think he's going to retrace his steps he did with Orochimaru and stay close to him so that he becomes stronger and then kill him when he gets the chance.

I also think Naruto has a HINT of this. I don't think he's playing when he said that they'll both die together. If sasuke attacks the village Naruto will do everything to stop him. What i also believe about that situation is this... Maybe Sasuke WANTS to die by Naruto, maybe he secretly views Naruto as his little brother, and wants to do the same as Itachi did to him. Die while giving Naruto glory. Its a possibility that Sasuke secretly knows that he's too far gone and too evil to be saved, so he wants to die. So he's going to attack Konoha single handedly. Come on, even a monkey would know thats suicide. lol but thats just my opinion.
 

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BEAST prediction, and I believe in about 70 % but not all of it. I do believe that sasuke is manipulating Madara. I don't really think that he really wants to destroy the village. I think he really wants to KILL Madara, but knows that he needs more power. I think he's going to retrace his steps he did with Orochimaru and stay close to him so that he becomes stronger and then kill him when he gets the chance.

I also think Naruto has a HINT of this. I don't think he's playing when he said that they'll both die together. If sasuke attacks the village Naruto will do everything to stop him. What i also believe about that situation is this... Maybe Sasuke WANTS to die by Naruto, maybe he secretly views Naruto as his little brother, and wants to do the same as Itachi did to him. Die while giving Naruto glory. Its a possibility that Sasuke secretly knows that he's too far gone and too evil to be saved, so he wants to die. So he's going to attack Konoha single handedly. Come on, even a monkey would know thats suicide. lol but thats just my opinion.
I think this page speaks volumes...

Naruto states he knew what sasuke was thinking. i think sasuke and naruto are on the same page now... i think naruto is going to help sasuke with his plan. i also believe that sasuke has been putting up a front, like his brother, to earn trust from the bad guys.

this page is where i think we see naruto and sasuke understand each other. sasuke says, "you.... when did you..." but he doesn't finish the sentence. we are lead to believe he's talking to zetsu because zetsu answers. but what if he was talking about naruto... wondering when naruto became so strong or when did naruto begin to understand sasuke's plan.

I believe sasuke expects that zetsu is ALWAYS around watching him. sasuke can't hold back or go easy or zetsu would report it to tobi and sasuke wouldn't get his EMS. i think pretty much everything sasuke has told tobi is meant to manipulate the akatsuki. sasuke knew what would happen if he used his MS and he used it a lot on purpose because he needed a reason to take itachi's eyes and being near blind is a pretty good reason... but having to fight naruto while almost blind is a perfect reason to take the eyes... so tobi would never suspect.

during and after the encounter with danzou, sasuke attacked karin and sakura. i think this was because he EXPECTED zetsu to be watching and needed to keep up the facade. i think it's possible that karin told sasuke, off panel, that she sensed 2 chakra sources and one huge chakra source behind them and gaining.

i think sasuke assumed the huge chakra source was naruto, though i'm not sure he could've guessed the other 2. in any case, with the info that karin had told him he was able to time his attack at karin with the arrival of the first 2 chakra sources. that way karin could get away and the spying zetsu would see that sasuke wasn't holding back.

i think sasuke timed his attack on sakura with the arrival of naruto... so naruto could stop him from killing her. again, sasuke maintains his facade in front of zetsu and sakura isn't hurt.

i think naruto and sasuke are working together now. naruto wants to be the only one to fight sasuke because sasuke would have to hold back against anyone else and his cover would be blown. only naruto has the power to make the fight look good. also i think the smile on sasuke's face after getting itachi's eyes is because he feels close itachi now.
These are two very great predictions and I agree completely!!!!:D
 

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I totally understand that this is your opinion but I don?t necessarily agree with it. Naruto himself stated that he could have easily been in Sasuke?s position, which meant that if certain factors played out differently he himself would have been out for Konohagakure?s destruction. Iruka was there for Naruto and provided him with a shoulder to lean on during the times of crisis he had during his childhood. Naruto is merely trying to do what Iruka did for him with Sasuke ? change all of his hate into something else. Gaara also tried to kill Sakura and plotted with his village to bring destruction to Konohagakure and Naruto may have been angry/hated him at the time but I believe if Naruto personally knew him then he would have attempted to help/change him. Sasuke is an entirely different case for Naruto ? he sees him as a brother and he was also his first real ?bond?. If you had a brother who was confused and angry your country and acted out on irrational decisions would you stop caring for him/abandon him? Naruto is playing the compassionate brother role and I don?t see how it is so ?nonsensical?. Just as you see things from your side there are others who view things from an opposite standpoint.


I?m a westerner and I didn?t consider his statement an insult. Again, it is a matter of personal interpretation and doesn?t necessarily mean he intended it as such.

After careful consideration I would have to agree with his standpoint as this forum is a prime example of how people overdramatically take the power-up issue. If People can?t handle or simply don?t approve of it then I personally believe that they would be better off not even reading them in the first place as practically half of the shounen manga in general are based off of power-ups.

i.e. Dragonball Z, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Bleach etc.

This part of my post is directed at the People who believe Sasuke?s Eien no Mangekyou made him instantly godly.

The Sharingan is the Uchiha clan?s Kekkei Genkai respectfully and it so happens that they are able to further advance them through combat/killing a close friend - relative, emotional pain and or stealing/receiving another member's eyes.

If Sasuke did in fact receive Eien no Mangekyou it isn't like he would be instantly godly with it and know every single detail about it, he would be good but only through battling/training could he perfectly perfect its usage. The Uchiha alongside the Senju clan obviously trained to master their skills whether it was through actual training or through battle so it wasn't like they just received their power and didn?t ever need to train. The two clans both held the top tier status by perfecting their skills meaning that they must have practiced a lot, no? I do admit the Uchiha are granted extremely powerful Doujutsu but they must pay a price which is having to kill one another or go through emotional stress. Everyone else has to go through hard labor to receive their skills but you should keep in mind that only through actual labor are the Uchiha then able to master theirs as well.
woahhhhhh!!!!! lol could not have said it better myself dude. I was a little "iffy" about the Uchiha's easy way to power, but i never noticed what exactly they had to go through to get such power. Nice explanation bro.
oh and good job at keeping the peace in the forum, i nominate you as forum Sergeant at Arms lol
 

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I think this page speaks volumes...

Naruto states he knew what sasuke was thinking. i think sasuke and naruto are on the same page now... i think naruto is going to help sasuke with his plan. i also believe that sasuke has been putting up a front, like his brother, to earn trust from the bad guys.

this page is where i think we see naruto and sasuke understand each other. sasuke says, "you.... when did you..." but he doesn't finish the sentence. we are lead to believe he's talking to zetsu because zetsu answers. but what if he was talking about naruto... wondering when naruto became so strong or when did naruto begin to understand sasuke's plan.

I believe sasuke expects that zetsu is ALWAYS around watching him. sasuke can't hold back or go easy or zetsu would report it to tobi and sasuke wouldn't get his EMS. i think pretty much everything sasuke has told tobi is meant to manipulate the akatsuki. sasuke knew what would happen if he used his MS and he used it a lot on purpose because he needed a reason to take itachi's eyes and being near blind is a pretty good reason... but having to fight naruto while almost blind is a perfect reason to take the eyes... so tobi would never suspect.

during and after the encounter with danzou, sasuke attacked karin and sakura. i think this was because he EXPECTED zetsu to be watching and needed to keep up the facade. i think it's possible that karin told sasuke, off panel, that she sensed 2 chakra sources and one huge chakra source behind them and gaining.

i think sasuke assumed the huge chakra source was naruto, though i'm not sure he could've guessed the other 2. in any case, with the info that karin had told him he was able to time his attack at karin with the arrival of the first 2 chakra sources. that way karin could get away and the spying zetsu would see that sasuke wasn't holding back.

i think sasuke timed his attack on sakura with the arrival of naruto... so naruto could stop him from killing her. again, sasuke maintains his facade in front of zetsu and sakura isn't hurt.

i think naruto and sasuke are working together now. naruto wants to be the only one to fight sasuke because sasuke would have to hold back against anyone else and his cover would be blown. only naruto has the power to make the fight look good. also i think the smile on sasuke's face after getting itachi's eyes is because he feels close itachi now.
This is one of the sickest predictions I've ever read.

And by sick, I didn't mean "negative". It was actually awesome. ;)

There could be a silver lining behind whatever Sasuke is doing right now. Perhaps, the manga may have an Itachi twist to it.

Although, I'm still betting that Sasuke's really literally against konoha, and he really means whatever he's doing right now.

My face will fall flat on the floor if your prediction happens. :p
 

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IMO, the recent powerup proved its justification. I think being an Uchiha, there's a high expectancy of a main antagonist like Sasuke getting the EMS.

Although, otoh, I will respect both opinions of powerups in general.

There is a standpoint that such powerups are necessary, and it's more of a culture in shonnen manga (correct me if I'm wrong).

There's another standpoint that powerups are too much, and it really doesn't seem to fit. I guess this was evident during the start of the kage summit, when Sasuke had lots of bouts which revealed his powerups one by one.

We are looking on the two sides of the story, the protagonist's and the antagonist's power levels. It's like sometimes they do meet up, other times they don't (like one is better than the other). Thus, there are opposing views. And, such views doesn't really depend on the race whatsover. I, too, didn't see anything racist on the previous comment and other comments for that matter. It's just a difference in terms of perspective.

TBH, there is no resolve to this. And, I think it's unfair for people who disagree not to read the manga. I believe people like them appreciate the manga as a whole, yet does not agree on some parts of it.

I give respect on both POVs, whether I agree or disagree with it. Only indifference will stop a person from reading the manga.
I would like to thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts about this discussion concerning "power-ups" and I can clearly see what you are saying.

I would like to say that even though I don’t agree with everyone’s standpoint, I do respect them and if I originally came off as otherwise I would like to correct that now. Everyone does have the right to see things differently but the “they would be better off not even reading them in the first place” line was only directed to the people who couldn’t handle power-ups. There are people who can handle it and yet don't necessarily agree with them/critique them but there are others who overdramatically express themselves over power-ups and type nonsensical reasons as to why they occurred.

I have first handedly seen people on this forum who have a fit when Sasuke obtains/gains a new power or jutsu and immediately after pull the famous “Kishi is in love with him” or the “He pulled it out of his arse” etc.

Constructive criticism can only go so far but there are those select people who respond with disrespectful statements like those and some even go as far as to threaten to discontinue reading the manga due to the power-ups.

Nonetheless, your post brought a nice perspective to the mix and hopefully everyone can see these two standpoints and over time hopefully respect them.

woahhhhhh!!!!! lol could not have said it better myself dude. I was a little "iffy" about the Uchiha's easy way to power, but i never noticed what exactly they had to go through to get such power. Nice explanation bro.
oh and good job at keeping the peace in the forum, i nominate you as forum Sergeant at Arms lol
Thank you and I'm relieved that I'm not the only one to feel that way about the manga. ^__^;
 
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I agree with Kuroi honoo, peoples are overreacting about power ups. Nobody complaines when Mario gets the super star or the flame flower, or when Link gets the Master sword or the bow or whateverxd

Anyway, i guess that next time we get to see Naruto eating ramen and Hinata arrives and ask about how he`s feeling, and they have a talk. Sasuke`s EMS will be revealed, and Madara makes his move to get the Rinnegan for himself. Because Sasuke with the EMS and Madara with the Rinnegan and half EMS would be a dangerous team.
We will see Kakashi, Tsunade, the feudal lord, the elders, and so on deside the Hokage question, and talks about the alliance and about Danzou and root.
We will probably get some funny moments with Yamato, and perhaps next chapter or the one after we get to see Anko and Kabumaru, and Jugo and Suigetsu.

If i don`t remember incorrectly, Kakashi got one of the FTG knife that Minato gave to him during "Kakashi Gaiden", so we will probably see some of that sooner or later when Naruto starts training again and maybe the frog with the key that Jiraiya was talking with during his invation on Pain`s village will help Naruto cooperate with the Kyuubi.
 
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I would like to thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts about this discussion concerning "power-ups" and I can clearly see what you are saying.

I would like to say that even though I don’t agree with everyone’s standpoint, I do respect them and if I originally came off as otherwise I would like to correct that now. Everyone does have the right to see things differently but the “they would be better off not even reading them in the first place” line was only directed to the people who couldn’t handle power-ups. There are people who can handle it and yet don't necessarily agree with them/critique them but there are others who overdramatically express themselves over power-ups and type nonsensical reasons as to why they occurred.

I have first handedly seen people on this forum who have a fit when Sasuke obtains/gains a new power or jutsu and immediately after pull the famous “Kishi is in love with him” or the “He pulled it out of his arse” etc.

Constructive criticism can only go so far but there are those select people who respond with disrespectful statements like those and some even go as far as to threaten to discontinue reading the manga due to the power-ups.

Nonetheless, your post brought a nice perspective to the mix and hopefully everyone can see these two standpoints and over time hopefully respect them.

Thanks! :)

Although when people say something like Kishi's in love with Sasuke or This character just pulled his jutsu from his/her arse, I think they just meant sort of a funny yet sarcastic comment. I think it's unavoidable since I don't think this forum is meant as sort of a very formal panel discussion.


Though, someone threatening to stop reading the manga goes overboard. As for me, if someone says that, then I hope rest-assured he/she actually does that, coz it'd be good riddance if so.


I agree with Kuroi honoo, peoples are overreacting about power ups. Nobody complaines when Mario gets the super star or the flame flower, or when Link gets the Master sword or the bow or whateverxd

Anyway, i guess that next time we get to see Naruto eating ramen and Hinata arrives and ask about how he`s feeling, and they have a talk. Sasuke`s EMS will be revealed, and Madara makes his move to get the Rinnegan for himself. Because Sasuke with the EMS and Madara with the Rinnegan and half EMS would be a dangerous team.
We will see Kakashi, Tsunade, the feudal lord, the elders, and so on deside the Hokage question, and talks about the alliance and about Danzou and root.
We will probably get some funny moments with Yamato, and perhaps next chapter or the one after we get to see Anko and Kabumaru, and Jugo and Suigetsu.

If i don`t remember incorrectly, Kakashi got one of the FTG knife that Minato gave to him during "Kakashi Gaiden", so we will probably see some of that sooner or later when Naruto starts training again and maybe the frog with the key that Jiraiya was talking with during his invation on Pain`s village will help Naruto cooperate with the Kyuubi.
Not that I'm for those who are overreacting til now coz it's really kind of absurd IMO, but I guess it's just normal to see complaints only because Sasuke is the antagonist, and most are angry with the villain. So, anything that's positive gained by the villain irks them. :p I, also was kind of irked at some point during Sasuke's bouts-in-a-row on the Kage Summit arc, but eventually just got the hang of it and I'm liking what's happening right now (inclu Sasuke getting the EMS).

Anyhoos, I'd love to see more of Kakashi and I love to see Kakashi getting an awesome tech soon! :)
 
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Now that i think of it. Kakashi will be and are in the same shoes as Jiraiya. The elders wanted him to become Hokage, but Jiraiya said that Tsunade was a better choice. Now that Tsunade is alive, Kakashi will say that she needs to continue, and Kakashi will either take over Anbu Root(or it will be dismissed), or train Naruto in Konoha or take him with him like Jiraiya did or something. That`s what i think:p
 
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Now that i think of it. Kakashi will and are in the same shoes as Jiraiya. The elders wanted him to become Hokage, but Jiraiya said that Tsunade was a better choice. Now that Tsunade is alive, Kakashi will say that she needs to continue, and Kakashi will either take over Anbu Root(or it will be dismissed), or train Naruto in Konoha or take him with him like Jiraiya did or something. That`s what i think:p
OMG, does it mean the Kakashi may continue writing Icha-Icha novels since he's a fan of it??? lololol

Knowing Kakashi, I also have a feeling that he'll turn down the position as Tsunade is already conscious, unless the lady insistently resists so. I agree that it's also possible to for him to fill in Danzo's position.
 

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BEAST prediction, and I believe in about 70 % but not all of it. I do believe that sasuke is manipulating Madara. I don't really think that he really wants to destroy the village. I think he really wants to KILL Madara, but knows that he needs more power. I think he's going to retrace his steps he did with Orochimaru and stay close to him so that he becomes stronger and then kill him when he gets the chance.

I also think Naruto has a HINT of this. I don't think he's playing when he said that they'll both die together. If sasuke attacks the village Naruto will do everything to stop him. What i also believe about that situation is this... Maybe Sasuke WANTS to die by Naruto, maybe he secretly views Naruto as his little brother, and wants to do the same as Itachi did to him. Die while giving Naruto glory. Its a possibility that Sasuke secretly knows that he's too far gone and too evil to be saved, so he wants to die. So he's going to attack Konoha single handedly. Come on, even a monkey would know thats suicide. lol but thats just my opinion.
THANKS!!! :D and yours is certainly a possibility! sasuke may not plan on living but i think he'll die a hero of kohona. i think he'll sacrafice himself to save naruto and/or the village. then he'd restore the uchiha name, which is one of his goals, though the clan would be officially wiped out. naruto would see to it that the uchiha name has a place of honor in the kohona history books.

These are two very great predictions and I agree completely!!!!:D
Thank you! :D

This is one of the sickest predictions I've ever read.

And by sick, I didn't mean "negative". It was actually awesome. ;)

There could be a silver lining behind whatever Sasuke is doing right now. Perhaps, the manga may have an Itachi twist to it.

Although, I'm still betting that Sasuke's really literally against konoha, and he really means whatever he's doing right now.

My face will fall flat on the floor if your prediction happens. :p
Thanks! and here's to a bloody nose lol :D i can't help but hold out hope for sasuke and i promise i am a non-bias reader. i'm not hoping for sasuke because i'm a fanboy. i just think it would be a cool twist to what is already a story i throughly enjoy if sasuke ended up pulling an "itachi" of sorts. but the stage is certainly set to go either way.
 
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