Base Kakashi i - feats and appreciation (without the Sharingan)

[Aznkidd]

We got a second one now Lol

Yeah, i got you troll

 

[Madaras torso]

''Book'' what?

Lee beats the hell out of kakashi.

The Book of fanfic's

created by various authors such as boogaloo femme lesula lady byakugan etc

Its an interesting read if you ignore logic

 

[BLAZE]

Lee gets beaten by a Kakashi without a Sharingan in Kakahi's novel. That's what he meant by book.

Yeah the novel which makes filler Naruto movie canon lel

 

[Seventh Sama]

Disagree with some of your feats.

The Sasuke one was a dramatic entrance; hardly qualifies as a feat. Everyone looks badass when they make a battle entrance. Entrance feats are distinguishable from in-battle feats.

Your Kabuto feat is also questionable. That wasn't Kabuto's real body but one of the reanimated corpses, so we have no idea how impressive blitzing one of those actually is.

Getting in front of the Ash Bones is clearly a "plot" moment, especially with the Rin ghost tugging him and Obito simultaneously. I doubt that would qualify as a speed feat.

The Kamui-sensing feats are also questionable; it's pretty feasible that he might have just seen the Kamui warp, especially the one with Obito appearing behind Naruto.

You could've made a much better argument for hand seals. Kakashi hasn't actually needed to use them for a while. He's made Raikiri numerous times with no hand seals, same with Raikiri wolf, and arguably the Suijinheki he used against Kakuzu.

As for the weapons argument, you could've also showed him using shuriken so well that he forced Naruto to use Kage Bunshin just to dodge the shuriken when they were sparring in early Part II. Pretty impressive feat to force KB usage just to dodge mere shuriken.

That being said . . .

I still rank EoS Kakashi as Kage level, although low. I'm truly disappointed in how he was handled overall. There were so many routes Kishimoto could have went with him. Why not teach him FTG; he was Minato's student afterall, and if those three no-name bodyguards did it, Kakashi could have too. Why not show off some White Fang techniques? His father is probably the only legendary figure that we know literally nothing about. Why not show off some of his thousands of techniques?

Kakashi is a cool character, but his treatment is easily among the most disappointing in the manga. He had so much potential, but in the end he just turned into a strictly Raikiri + Kamui user, and that got boring and also very crippling when he lost the Sharingan.

I completely agree with you.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

He can still throw raikiri kunais too

 

[BLAZE]

Yeah, i got you troll

Yeah kakashi is catching airborne Konan with ur troll @ss isn't he Lol

 

[Black Wolf]

There is a good basis for the argument that the novel is canon.

The

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Kishimoto's involvement in their creation, and that he supervised them.

But I don't know why you people think Kakashi beating a non-serious, non-gated Lee that clearly wasn't trying to kill him as a major feat. Sure, it might be slightly impressive but it isn't all that.

The only real thing you can take out of the novel for all you "feat-obsessed" people is Raiton: Shiden, and while purple lightning sounds cool, I don't actually understand the mechanics of the technique at all from the descriptions I've read.

It just sounds like a purple-colored Raikiri . . . which brings to question, what actually makes it different from Raikiri other than its color? I don't know . . . illustrations would have helped, but apparently drawing a bunch of static images of Kakashi posing in Hokage attire or reading a book was more important than showing us this new technique.

 

[LeSauce]

''Book'' what?

Lee beats the hell out of kakashi.

In the new Kakashi book. Kakashi beats Lee in a taijutsu match.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

In the new Kakashi book. Kakashi beats Lee in a taijutsu match.

I thought this was based on canon feats and not filler feats?

 

[BLAZE]

There is a good basis for the argument that the novel is canon.

The

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Kishimoto's involvement in their creation, and that he supervised them.

Thanks for the info

 

[AlphaScythian]

When kakashi warned naruto of S/T blitz by Obito he had that sharingan precog so little fail there.

Rin power feats and keeping up with gated gai looks like bull but oh well its in the manga

Rest is fine

 

[Sugiyama]

Kakashi was one of the few who deserved to be qualified as Ninjas in the series in its earlier stages (until Kamui spam got into play anyway). But he regained somewhat that reputation after he lost the sharingan mid war (using basic Ninaja skill to save himeself and Sakura). He's indeed a good shinobi with versatile skill-set and admirable wits. U_U
Excellent thread nonetheless (except few points here and there ) .

 

[Aznkidd]

Yeah kakashi is catching airborne Konan with ur troll @ss isn't he Lol

Without sharingan he will have other access like everybody else, unless you are comparing a tired Kakashi without sharingan in war arc. That will show how shallow you are, comparing some one who just lost everything VS some one with full power ?
Dear Troll.

 

[ATD]

This guy thinks Kakashi defeats Konan without sharingan Lol

OT: Good thread

Thanks.
Nobody explained to me how konan wins.
You can go to the vs-section and post a explanation, i will see whether its convincing or not.

Kakashi>Lee without Sharingan in taijutsu. At least in the books.

The new novel of Kakashi "Kakashi hidden" describes how base Kakashi and base Lee have a sparing in taijutsu where Kakashi wins via knocking lee at the ground.

I suspect that in this scan

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he did it with the aid of the sharingan. Otherwise it's a perfect thread. The Ninjutsu part is covered especially well.

The kakashi that opened the first gate hadn't trained for years, I imagine he could open even more now with more physical training.

Thanks, it would be only logically that he can open more gates, but i have no proof about that.

Disagree with some of your feats.

The Sasuke one was a dramatic entrance; hardly qualifies as a feat. Everyone looks badass when they make a battle entrance. Entrance feats are distinguishable from in-battle feats.

Your Kabuto feat is also questionable. That wasn't Kabuto's real body but one of the reanimated corpses, so we have no idea how impressive blitzing one of those actually is.

Getting in front of the Ash Bones is clearly a "plot" moment, especially with the Rin ghost tugging him and Obito simultaneously. I doubt that would qualify as a speed feat.

The Kamui-sensing feats are also questionable; it's pretty feasible that he might have just seen the Kamui warp, especially the one with Obito appearing behind Naruto.

You could've made a much better argument for hand seals. Kakashi hasn't actually needed to use them for a while. He's made Raikiri numerous times with no hand seals, same with Raikiri wolf, and arguably the Suijinheki he used against Kakuzu.

As for the weapons argument, you could've also showed him using shuriken so well that he forced Naruto to use Kage Bunshin just to dodge the shuriken when they were sparring in early Part II. Pretty impressive feat to force KB usage just to dodge mere shuriken.

ofc i didnt cover everything of Kakashis potential, it would have been to much.
You can make a supplement thread of what i didn´t cover.

That being said . . .

I still rank EoS Kakashi as Kage level, although low. I'm truly disappointed in how he was handled overall. There were so many routes Kishimoto could have went with him. Why not teach him FTG; he was Minato's student afterall, and if those three no-name bodyguards did it, Kakashi could have too. Why not show off some White Fang techniques? His father is probably the only legendary figure that we know literally nothing about. Why not show off some of his thousands of techniques?

I understand you, i also thought of giving him ftg in combination with raikiri, or a raiton rasengan combination.
More secret techniques of the hatake, but no Kishi wasted a lot of pontantial (the part where he was about to go on a rampage against the 7 swordsmen)

Kakashi is a cool character, but his treatment is easily among the most disappointing in the manga. He had so much potential, but in the end he just turned into a strictly Raikiri + Kamui user, and that got boring and also very crippling when he lost the Sharingan.

Im very happy that he lost it, now he is capable of changing his fighting style to a new one, but we won't see it unfortunately.

That is true but they were all probably hyped up on adrenaline during all of this for it to really hit him. If you notice he still covered his eye in the last two chapters even though he technically didn't need to. That's just what he is use to and comfortable with

yes that was a bit strange, either its kishis habit of drawing him, or Kakashi needed it somehow for his wellness

 

[BLAZE]

Without sharingan he will have other access like everybody else, unless you are comparing a tired Kakashi without sharingan in war arc. That will show how shallow you are, comparing some one who just lost everything VS some one with full power ?
Dear Troll.

Dear troll
Konan is airborne she leaves a paperlone below and can use paper shurikens and Paper Chakram to target kakashi.

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All of kakashi war arc feat is with sharingan precog Lol

Thanks.
Nobody explained to me how konan wins.
You can go to the vs-section and post a explanation, i will see whether its convincing or not.

Sorry for rudely speaking on first post
i will surely do so after my semester papaers

 

[iNotorious]

Lee gets beaten by a Kakashi without a Sharingan in Kakahi's novel. That's what he meant by book.

Hm.

The Book of fanfic's

created by various authors such as boogaloo femme lesula lady byakugan etc

Its an interesting read if you ignore logic

Indeed.

In the new Kakashi book. Kakashi beats Lee in a taijutsu match.

''Book''. Ain't nobody got time for that.. We are talking about manga facts.

I thought this was based on canon feats and not filler feats?

I thought this was MANGA FACTS.

 

[Black Wolf]

No clue why people are discussing Konan vs. Kakashi here . . . but for people pretending Kakashi can't hit an airborne target, he's got

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That's not counting throwable kunai and shuriken he can coat in Raikiri too.

He's got a range game, it's just ignored for . . . reasons.

 

[Xlad]

No clue why people are discussing Konan vs. Kakashi here . . . but for people pretending Kakashi can't hit an airborne target, he's got

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That's not counting throwable kunai and shuriken he can coat in Raikiri too.

He's got a range game, it's just ignored for . . . reasons.

There was a Konan vs Hokage Kakashi thread. I like them both, but he still murks her.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I thought this was MANGA FACTS.

Lol Yeah Kakashi beating Lee in taijutsue is a joke of the century. Not sure what the author was smoking when he wrote this?

 

[BLAZE]

No clue why people are discussing Konan vs. Kakashi here . . . but for people pretending Kakashi can't hit an airborne target, he's got

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, a

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, and

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.

That's not counting throwable kunai and shuriken he can coat in Raikiri too.

He's got a range game, it's just ignored for . . . reasons.

The problem is all of kakashi feats with sharingan precog
but due to being retconned as a Kamui/Raikiri spammer he lacks feat in base to go against an Akatsuki member bar few