Base Kakashi i - feats and appreciation (without the Sharingan)

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Kakashi is the most all-round shinobi who's practically useful in any circumstance...
Whether it be a,
Taijutsu
Ninjutsu
Genjutsu
Strategy
Reflexes
S/T
based scenario, Kakashi can contribute in all...

Nowadays when people focus on the OPness of a character... Kakashi is liked because he's a quality shinobi, not one OP mofo...



Appreciation acknowledged...!

You know how many other shinobi fit in those categories excluding s/t??? Most kage and s rank shinobi

He's renown no doubt but there are a lot of others before and after that are well versed in all forms of combat.
 

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I hate when people call Kakashi fodder

Why ? I mean he was ok in part 1 and early part 2, but in the end he was left drowning in mediocrity.

While he's not necessarily a literal fodder, when compared with the top tiers he is kind of pale. No need to be sad about that.
 

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She has water, earth, wind elements. It is either her special paper(like umbrella paper oil) or her element to allow the paper to endure the rain. But still it will become wet if it soaks enough of water. But kakashi is earth, water, ligtning and he use element attack quite alot. There should be no trouble for him to diffuse the paper bomb or earth walled. There will be no sharingan hold back, his chakra should be on pair with akatsuki.


No way his his chakra on par with any akatsuki member.

Maybe hidan

Kakuzu has ridiculous reserves

Kisame has bijuu level chakras

Nagato doesn't even need explaining

Obito has senju dna plus his uchiha dna

Konan. actively keeps her jutsu up

Deidara has proven he can last all day

Itachi is the only one but he one shots for that reason that's why he plays no games.
 

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Good thread, Kakashi is one of my favorites and I find him one of the most skillful characters.
 

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Thanks.
Nobody explained to me how konan wins.
You can go to the vs-section and post a explanation, i will see whether its convincing or not.


The new novel of Kakashi "Kakashi hidden" describes how base Kakashi and base Lee have a sparing in taijutsu where Kakashi wins via knocking lee at the ground.

Thanks, it would be only logically that he can open more gates, but i have no proof about that.

ofc i didnt cover everything of Kakashis potential, it would have been to much.
You can make a supplement thread of what i didn´t cover.


I understand you, i also thought of giving him ftg in combination with raikiri, or a raiton rasengan combination.
More secret techniques of the hatake, but no Kishi wasted a lot of pontantial (the part where he was about to go on a rampage against the 7 swordsmen)

Im very happy that he lost it, now he is capable of changing his fighting style to a new one, but we won't see it unfortunately.

yes that was a bit strange, either its kishis habit of drawing him, or Kakashi needed it somehow for his wellness
That's what I meant.
I thought this was based on canon feats and not filler feats?
Never said it was canon, I just thought it was interesting.
Hm.



Indeed.



''Book''. Ain't nobody got time for that.. We are talking about manga facts.



I thought this was MANGA FACTS.

Mmk, just thought it was interesting.
 

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You know how many other shinobi fit in those categories excluding s/t??? Most kage and s rank shinobi

He's renown no doubt but there are a lot of others before and after that are well versed in all forms of combat.

P.S. Kakashi is now familiar with every kind of power there is in NV after utilizing some of Rikudo power...
And till the end, Kakashi wasn't a specialist but a versatile all-round shinobi...


And I'd like to known about some who fit all the categories significantly...
 

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P.S. Kakashi is now familiar with every kind of power there is in NV after utilizing some of Rikudo power...
And till the end, Kakashi wasn't a specialist but a versatile all-round shinobi...


And I'd like to known about some who fit all the categories significantly...

Minato, Tobirama Itachi Sasuke to name a few.
 

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No way his his chakra on par with any akatsuki member.

Maybe hidan

Kakuzu has ridiculous reserves

Kisame has bijuu level chakras

Nagato doesn't even need explaining

Obito has senju dna plus his uchiha dna

Konan. actively keeps her jutsu up

Deidara has proven he can last all day

Itachi is the only one but he one shots for that reason that's why he plays no games.

Yea right, now watch all the fight Kakashi has sharingan on and make it ten fold and see if it is enough. His chakra is low cause of sharingan, he doesnt has bloodline to support it and the eye required a lot of chakra to maintain it, not to mention use it.
If a 6 years old chunnin, 13 years old jonin train for the next 20 years without any hindrance (sharingan) wont surpass akatsuki level then you should quit manga.
 

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Minato, Tobirama Itachi Sasuke to name a few.

Minato, Tobirama & Itachi are specialists in their respective abilities...
While Sasuke was a well-rounded shinobi before MS, later he also became a Dojutsu reliant heavily...

I don't mean to argue...
Afterall, Kakashi's my fav...
 

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Kishi shat on his character, badly. Not only with the Kamui spammage, but taking away his sharingan as well.

Iexpected Kakashi to showcase some more awesome techniques and more feats in the War, elemental or Yin/Yang, and show why he was hyped up so much througout the manga. Instead, all we got was Kamui, and the only new technique he used was Lightning Chain, which was cool, but I thought he was going to show more.
yes that sucked really hard. Every wednesday i got my hopes high for some new shit, but constantly he spammed Kamui and Raikiri. The Rampage against the swordsmen never was shown by Kishi, its really sad because of so much hype and wasted potential.
Not to mention that any competition that Kakashi and Gai had was absolutely rent asunder the moment Gai opened Kyōmon. These two were supposed to be on par with each other.

If I were Kishi, I would have given him some S/T technique that assimilates raiton nature manipulation. Something hax that would at least put him on par with 7th Gate Gai. Not some stupid boring ass half second teleportation.
i thought about giving Kakashi the ability to turn his body into lightning, he already showed he can create clones or beasts out of lightning.
Or the usage of Ftg, he is skilled enough for learning it and combining it with his raikiri.

Decent thread though. Unfortunately, Kakashi needs the sharingan with his current skillset to be a threat against the stronger shinobi in the manga.
yes i know, but there are people who are putting him up now against k11 (except naruto and sasuke) and really think most of them are able to pull of a victory.

wow man nice thread 10/10 would read everything again
thanks bro

Kakashi is indeed one of the most well rounded shinobi and a very nice person. :)
yes to me he is the one that keeps the ninja feeling alive in naruto (to many gods and demi gods)

Nice thread but without sharingan no more raikiri for kakashi which is his strongest technique now he don't have sharingan so no more raikiri.
He can use it, but lacks the reflexes to react to a counterattack, his clones don't need to worry about the counter attack, thats why kakashi can use raikiri indirect via clones.

Him reacting to a severely weakened sasuke in taijutsu and catching his chidori isn't special. Remember sasuke was going blind and could barely see, at that time he could barely maintain his susano , he was only able to shoot one arrow and then he couldn't sustain susano anymore because of the ms strain on his body and being visibly blind.
You tried to cover your ass by saying sasuke blah blah blah is indras transmigrant and he was healed by karin, well regardless who he is tied to in destiny the facts are he was tired, blind, with every cell in his body and fought danzo using izanagi 10times, plus karin didn't heal him at all during that fight she healed him before at the kage summit. So that is a failed feat
the ones who are using chidori still need a proper portion of speed with sharingan or not, sasuke wasn't able to see the counter (the catch) of Kakashi because he didnt use sharingan, but the speed was the same as always and Kakashi reacted to it with one eye and the sharingan covered.
Sasuke wasn't the freshest, but he got enough chakra/stamina to preform a chidori and later activated Susanno, so still a big threat.
Everyone has another opinion, so calm your tits.

2. How did he react to Godara when he still got his eye snatched out with zero resistance whatsoever? ?? Yeah he looked and saw Godara was coming but reacting and noticing someone is coming is not the same. Reacting is the possibility of countering, so all kakashi did was notice Godara coming and that's it.
Man, Kakashi was weakened as hell and nearly blind, still he was able to notice a rushing godara from behind and reacted by turning his head in madaras direction.
3. Speculation, kakashi may have been able to step in front of ash bone but he didn't and assuming he could and no one else could that was there including rsm naruto and rinne sasuke is blasphemous and merely speculation.
He did with will power.
All i wanted to show is that he is still fast with rin or not it doesn't matter.

4. Noticing obito was unconscious. ..really, nobody else gave a damn about obito at that time because they were focused on a god they had to fight Kaguya.
you don't get the point of the threat, it is not only about feats but also appreciations and that time kaguya wasn't even born.
 

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That is true but some times being strong does matter because some people are strong enough to be considered unstoppable.

I would say Gai level 7,8 apply to ur theory, but below that is something else. Lee need at least level 7 and some jutsu, other wise he needs level 8 to make sense.
We are talking about top skilled ninja.
 

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You know how many other shinobi fit in those categories excluding s/t??? Most kage and s rank shinobi

He's renown no doubt but there are a lot of others before and after that are well versed in all forms of combat.

Taijutsu
Ninjutsu
Genjutsu
Strategy
Reflexes

^ If we're talking about those categories, the only ones I can think of are Kakashi, Itachi, Madara, Obito, and Sasuke (mainly Hebi version). There isn't any other character that is a jack of all trades nearly as much as these three are.

Tsunade? Purely Taijutsu.

Onoki? Purely Ninjutsu.

Raikage? Reflexes and Taijutsu.

Gaara? Purely Ninjutsu.

Mei? Purely Ninjutsu.

It doesn't stop them from being Kage level fighters, but if we're talking about "jack of all trades," nobody fits the bill more than Itachi, Kakashi, and Sasuke with Obito and Madara being runner-ups.
 

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Great thread but two things
1 chakra pills are a common military tool and is most likely being use

2 there has been recovery time
 
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