[Discussion] Why is Sasuke vs Naruto debated?

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Very true, but considering how Naruto's skill set deals with Rinnegan users. Neither will get the upper-hand, until one goes into the avatar state. Then there it becomes a rape battle
Sasuke is more that just a rinnengan user.. He's a elite, tactical,genius Uchiha who possesses chakra from the sage..

It all depends on how much chakra Sasuke absorb from Naruto.. Sasuke could very well match the avatar state if makes mistakes and have his chakra absorb..
 

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Parallels are everywhere. They are EQUAL what always differ was the way they wanted to achieve their goals and the path they walked towards it.
 

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Sasuke himself said Naruto has a strength he doesn't have.
Naruto was also able to stop Sasuke without killing him even though Sasuke was 100% giving it his all to kill Naruto.
The point of those "equal" panels is to show that even though they were given the same amount of power, it was Naruto who was better at using it.

That is the whole point of this page.
No matter how "stronger" Sasuke seemed, Naruto was always infront of him.
This was admitted by Sasuke himself.
If Fanboys wont accept this then they are in complete 100% denial.

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Fanboys will be fanboys I guess.
 
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Parallels are everywhere. They are EQUAL what always differ was the way they wanted to achieve their goals and the path they walked towards it.
Sasuke is more that just a rinnengan user.. He's a elite, tactical,genius Uchiha who possesses chakra from the sage..

It all depends on how much chakra Sasuke absorb from Naruto.. Sasuke could very well match the avatar state if makes mistakes and have his chakra absorb..
Not to burst any of your "equal" bubbles.

Naruto mid diffs Rinnegan Sasuke. If you want to know the reason why, I will call every Versus debtors to this thread and you can take it up with them. OR I can bring in the quotes from the most accurate debtors such as; KidGamer, Kurosai, etc that explain THOROUGHLY why RSM Naruto vs Sharringan Sasuke - 700 Naruto vs 700 Sasuke, Sasuke get's defeated.

You must understand that Kishimoto has been saying they were equal since Shippuden. Yet Naruto was not equal with Sasuke at ALL until the Pain Arc, and even then he was lacking the material to fully collide with Susano'o until KCM.

Right now as Naruto is, he mid-diffs.

Now I'll await
 

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Most accurate debaters? Lol. Those two are not Gods! Just two members with a OPINION NO BETTER than any other member here. It's great that you hold there thoughts in such high regards, feelings that I do not share.

As I said, these two are debates because Naruto never actually got a win over Sasuke. Most fans can't/won't accept the end of there fight without bringing in excuses.

It's a reason why Naruto was nerfed with little chakra, no bijuu and Sasuke the same with little chakra and a few Rinnengan techs... The fight would've ended the same but lasted about ten more chapters accept it..

I will admit as I always have.. Naruto was stronger at the VOTE2 fight, only because Sasuke didn't know all the rinnengan abilities. Over 10 years that has changed, and Naruto getting the other half of Krauma means nothing but more chakra.. Which he dominated Sasuke in that department.. Good day.
 

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Most accurate debaters? Lol. Those two are not Gods! Just two members with a OPINION NO BETTER than any other member here. It's great that you hold there thoughts in such high regards, feelings that I do not share.

As I said, these two are debates because Naruto never actually got a win over Sasuke. Most fans can't/won't accept the end of there fight without bringing in excuses.

It's a reason why Naruto was nerfed with little chakra, no bijuu and Sasuke the same with little chakra and a few Rinnengan techs... The fight would've ended the same but lasted about ten more chapters accept it..

I will admit as I always have.. Naruto was stronger at the VOTE2 fight, only because Sasuke didn't know all the rinnengan abilities. Over 10 years that has changed, and Naruto getting the other half of Krauma means nothing but more chakra.. Which he dominated Sasuke in that department.. Good day.
May I speak for KidGamer/Kurosai? Those two are one of the best debators in the NarutoBase alone, they actually bring facts, while they preach their wisdom over in the Versus Section. So yeah, when I saw a RSM VS Sharringan Sasuke thread I was sketpical about a full mastery Rinnegan-Sasuke too, but after reading the replies, and noticing that the majority stated RSM Naruto. Funny part was most of the people saying it weren't even Naruto/Sasuke fan's.

Anyway, no. I'll handle this Raizel, Rinnegan Sasuke is nothing compared to Naruto. Absorbing chakra? Okay, let's show you how this works:

I can only use Six Paths and Sasuke's S/T (whatever is that called) and what Naruto's RSM has. Since mastery of techniques is subjective as best.

Without TB Chakra, Sasuke only has PS and other Six Paths. So Indra's Arrow and his enhanced powers are bunk. Only techs like his PS Chidori Senbons are viable. But there are definitely not as powerful as with the Tailed Beast chakra.

Yeah, Sasuke's techs are much stronger as he aged. But that reasoning is also valid for Naruto, as he was able to throw and control FRS at base as if it was a homing rocket. So the whole stronger techs is a pretty much laughable and circular reasoning.

Sasuke in canon was being countered by Naruto who wasn't going on the offensive.[ ] This is proven by the fact that Sasuke was the first to charge in with PS. Yet Naruto in almost an instant .[ ][ ][ ][ ] This also does not take into account that Naruto wasn't even flying between those clashes until the TBB vs Chidori clash.[ ][ ] Then Sasuke himself noted that Naruto was going on the defensive the whole time Pre-TB PS. Naruto also again say he did not want to defeat Sasuke the way he is. [ ][ ] Even when he was using his strongest attack.

Preta Path...yeah
Frog Kata is viable to counter Preta Path. [ ][ ] Naruto's avatar can perform this feat considering that it perform one of Six Path Sage Mode's ability, which is flight. [ ] There is no reason why I shouldn't believe that.
Sasuke cannot use Susanoo or other techs due to the principle of reverse chakra flow. So Sasuke cannot use Susanoo and Preta Path at the same time. Which leads to...a very massive beating down from a Naruto with the intent to kill.

Animal Path. I don't want to know who even thinks that Animal Path will get more powerful, as it's only function is to summon animals with Rinnegan.
[ ][ ][ ]

There's pretty much nothing Animal Summons have that can even phase Naruto. Their blood gets plastered all over if they even try to kill Naruto.

Asura Path. Juubito tore through Four Red Yang Barrier that took in Juubi's TBB, Asura Path has in store. [ ][ ] Naruto is more than a tier above Juubito. Asura Path's attacks gets tanked, deflected, penetrated, or cummed on.

Deva Path gets countered by Naruto sending his Chakra Arms into the ground to stabilize movement. [ ][ ] Naruto getting send into Chibaku Tensei isn't happening. Not when Eight Tails Kurama can break through the meteor itself. [ ] Then there is also the fact that the Bijuus have to be put under genjutsu before their sealing. Even if Naruto were completely trap in a meteor, he can , use his (RSM powered), or summon his avatar to dig his way out of it. So it's meaningless to put him under a hole when he has the means to drill his way out.

Honestly nothing worth talking about with Human Path or all the other trivial abilities.

So yeah, Naruto definitely has this.
 
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Again... Opinions are just that.. I'm not going to spend all day debating about opinions.. At the end of the day it is just logical speculation on both sides so believe as you will..
 

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Again... Opinions are just that.. I'm not going to spend all day debating about opinions.. At the end of the day it is just logical speculation on both sides so believe as you will..
Yeah ... it's not an opinion anymore. The truth is that Naruto takes down Sauske mid-high or debatable mid-low diff.

Nothing in Sasuke's arsenal matters against Naruto except Deva path and his S/T which are equally countered at best. Naruto never even utilized his speed blitzing capabilities enhanced with his clone prowess. Hell even though Sasuke can counter that, it just shows you that no matter how strong they are, their skill-sets don't over power the latter. I also love how people say "Naruto can't react to Sasuke's S/T" yet if he couldn't, why did his body turn? No one seems to take in the notice to see that if Sasuke blizted him completely, then Naruto would of flew backwards with his back facing forward. Instead the idiot tried to turn around and block him, which completely failed. The only thing Sasuke did not care to notice was that RSM's body is completely unbreakable (scans or no?) that even he could battle Kaguya without getting completely destroyed, unlike PS Susano'o who casually got destroyed in one second.

Until the avatar state. Hell if you want I can round up the best debtors on both sides to show you why he gets destroyed? Just give a moment to quote them all
 
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Lol yea it's just opinion. What part do you not get that I could careless about another's opinion. If it's not stated in the manga, what else could it be?? Hashirama was shown to be stronger than Madara but never Naruto over sasuke.. If it's not fact it's opinion.. That's it.
 

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I see your point but VoTE2 RSM naruto is his strongest form. As to where the last sasuke or adult sasuke beats him low-mid diff.
 

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I see your point but VoTE2 RSM naruto is his strongest form. As to where the last sasuke or adult sasuke beats him low-mid diff.
Not even close. The Last Naruto who is x2 stronger than VOTE2 Naruto with full Kurama added. He is able to utilize RSM, just as VOTE2 did. So I don't know why you excluded that in the factor.

700 Naruto shits mid-low diff.


Lol yea it's just opinion. What part do you not get that I could careless about another's opinion. If it's not stated in the manga, what else could it be?? Hashirama was shown to be stronger than Madara but never Naruto over sasuke.. If it's not fact it's opinion.. That's it.
Nah it's a fact.

Madara can only equal and be on par with Hashirama with Kurama in his control
Sasuke can only equal and be on par with RSM Naruto with Bijuuu chakra in his control.

All stated in the manga. I don't know how to paint the picture easier
 
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I see your point but VoTE2 RSM naruto is his strongest form. As to where the last sasuke or adult sasuke beats him low-mid diff.
This post kind of made me laugh. RM Naruto is a tier below Rinnegan Sauske. RSM Naruto is a tier above Rinnegan Sasuke.

Where does Sasuke gain the power to fully combat a Full Kurama RSM Naruto who will be two tiers above regular RSM Naruto?

Lol yea it's just opinion. What part do you not get that I could careless about another's opinion. If it's not stated in the manga, what else could it be?? Hashirama was shown to be stronger than Madara but never Naruto over sasuke.. If it's not fact it's opinion.. That's it.
Are you joking? lol
 

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This post kind of made me laugh. RM Naruto is a tier below Rinnegan Sauske. RSM Naruto is a tier above Rinnegan Sasuke.

Where does Sasuke gain the power to fully combat a Full Kurama RSM Naruto who will be two tiers above regular RSM Naruto?
Back at it again eh? I guess you have some feats the last naruto pulled to suggest he is stronger than RSM naruto let alone the last sasuke. Either way adult sasuke is by far the strongest shinobi(with or without both arms)
 

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Back at it again eh? I guess you have some feats the last naruto pulled to suggest he is stronger than RSM naruto let alone the last sasuke. Either way adult sasuke is by far the strongest shinobi(with or without both arms)
I'd preferably state that both him and Naruto(Adult versions) are on the same league of power until avatar state, but yes.
I respect your opinion and there is no point in debating against it.
 

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Most accurate debaters? Lol. Those two are not Gods! Just two members with a OPINION NO BETTER than any other member here. It's great that you hold there thoughts in such high regards, feelings that I do not share.

As I said, these two are debates because Naruto never actually got a win over Sasuke. Most fans can't/won't accept the end of there fight without bringing in excuses.

It's a reason why Naruto was nerfed with little chakra, no bijuu and Sasuke the same with little chakra and a few Rinnengan techs... The fight would've ended the same but lasted about ten more chapters accept it..

I will admit as I always have.. Naruto was stronger at the VOTE2 fight, only because Sasuke didn't know all the rinnengan abilities. Over 10 years that has changed, and Naruto getting the other half of Krauma means nothing but more chakra.. Which he dominated Sasuke in that department.. Good day.
Lol, really now? You've pretty much ended the argument right here. VoTE Naruto>VoTE Sasuke as Sasuke needed the Bijuu to match Naruto. Unless you have proof Rinnegan mastery closes the gap, there is nothing to talk about.

Not to mention getting half of Kurama's power means Kurama gets 2x stronger than before.
 

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This post kind of made me laugh. RM Naruto is a tier below Rinnegan Sauske. RSM Naruto is a tier above Rinnegan Sasuke.

Where does Sasuke gain the power to fully combat a Full Kurama RSM Naruto who will be two tiers above regular RSM Naruto?



Are you joking? lol
What part sounds like a joke to you? Everything I said is true.. Others opinions are just that.
 
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Most accurate debaters? Lol. Those two are not Gods! Just two members with a OPINION NO BETTER than any other member here. It's great that you hold there thoughts in such high regards, feelings that I do not share.

As I said, these two are debates because Naruto never actually got a win over Sasuke. Most fans can't/won't accept the end of there fight without bringing in excuses.

It's a reason why Naruto was nerfed with little chakra, no bijuu and Sasuke the same with little chakra and a few Rinnengan techs... The fight would've ended the same but lasted about ten more chapters accept it..

I will admit as I always have.. Naruto was stronger at the VOTE2 fight, only because Sasuke didn't know all the rinnengan abilities. Over 10 years that has changed, and Naruto getting the other half of Krauma means nothing but more chakra.. Which he dominated Sasuke in that department.. Good day.
Again... Opinions are just that.. I'm not going to spend all day debating about opinions.. At the end of the day it is just logical speculation on both sides so believe as you will..
What part sounds like a joke to you? Everything I said is true.. Others opinions are just that.
You stated the answer yourself. "Naruto was stronger at VOTE2"
Full Kurama x2 everything Naruto has, Rinnegna mastery isn't helping Sasuke beat Naruto, none at all.

The only USEFUL technique he has is chakra absorption, yet he can't even absorb full scale attacks as no Rinnegan user in the manga as shown the ability to do so. The databook states "it absorbs all ninjutsu" --Meaning it absorb all forms of ninjutsu. Yet the DB uses hyperbole's anyway. Rinnnegan Madara couldn't even absorb Yoton:Rasengan.

Naruto tanks, obliterates, sits on, and destroys.
 

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Lol, really now? You've pretty much ended the argument right here. VoTE Naruto>VoTE Sasuke as Sasuke needed the Bijuu to match Naruto. Unless you have proof Rinnegan mastery closes the gap, there is nothing to talk about.

Not to mention getting half of Kurama's power means Kurama gets 2x stronger than before.

Lol unless I have proof?? Just look at what the rinnegan offers.. Jutsu that allow Sasuke to counters Naruto arsenal.. That's proof right there lol..

kurama's chakra means more chakra, is that not stronger.. Still makes little difference since Sasuke is losing in that department to begin with.
 
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