BM Minato vs SM Hashirama

[KingHashirama]

base hashirama would win with low diff.

all of minatos bijudama are caught by generic mokuton hands.

if hashirama uses the mokujin the match ends nigh instantly.

all of minatos bijudama are flicked away considering the fact that the mokujin is as big as the juubi.

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only 100% kurama and above are big enough to force the mokujin to actually catch its standard bijudama.

the mokujin has strength that can match 100% kurama and PS. BM minato gets smacked across the battlefield with kurama being suppressed.

hashiramas speed and reactions are on par with madara whom can track ten tails obito with ease. the same obito that took off minatos arm before he could react. no blitz will occur and hashirama will easily beat minato in cqc with taijutsu in conjunction with mokuryu.

Yooooo wtf. I never even saw it until you pointed it out, damn Madara's PS as edo tensei and Hashirama'sMokujin were big as or bigger than the Juubi!!!

 

[Great Master Minato]

Hashirama Can't Take On Kurama Avatar Without SS! End Of Story.

 

[ARGUS]

Nope, Minato simply waits it out.. SS against a S/T user who will be teleporting is useless.

No its not,
minato is not outrunning a structure that spans a distance

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, and whose arms are as fast as a PS-TBB, which travelled the entire sea in a mere second

not to mention that hashirama has superior reflexes and striking speed to even a choku tomo user like madara,
sasuke (whose reflexes and striking speed are inferior)

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with his choku tomo precog,
Juubito > BM Minato >>>> Kurama avatar
no reason to believe why hashirama a superior user is unable to tag something thats much slower than juubito
unless you think that hashiramas SM is far inferior to choku tomo or BM to an extent where he cant tag a much inferior entity? or unless you think that BM minato is faster than Juubito?

Minato needs the firepower of PS+Kurama to make Hashirama bring out the buddha, other wise Hashirama isn't going to.

The kurama avatars firepower is superior to full kurama and its durability takes a dump on full kyuubi as well
one TBB from full kkyuubi eradicated all of hashiramas mokuton bar mokuton hobi
one TBB from the avatar matched not one but 5 of them,
and minato can fire off 5 off them in a continous barrage, so hashiramas entire mokutons are garbaged here

People are talking about TBBs.. Hashirama can simply go under Kurama's avtar and make it miss the target.. and so on.

Mayfly + wood clone = OP combo, with that he can also keep an eye on the entire battlefield, similar to how Zetsu did.

at best he can catch one of them with mokujin, whats he supposed to do with mayfly?
his mokutons are eradicated and without them he is not evading the explosion of TBB so he dies

what the hell is a wood clone supposed to do as well? one TBB and they are got in its vicinity

without SS, there is literally nothing hashirama could do, and with SS there is not much that minato could do
its that simple really

 

[KingHashirama]

No its not,
minato is not outrunning a structure that spans a distance

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, and whose arms are as fast as a PS-TBB, which travelled the entire sea in a mere second

not to mention that hashirama has superior reflexes and striking speed to even a choku tomo user like madara,
sasuke (whose reflexes and striking speed are inferior)

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with his choku tomo precog,
Juubito > BM Minato >>>> Kurama avatar
no reason to believe why hashirama a superior user is unable to tag something thats much slower than juubito
unless you think that hashiramas SM is far inferior to choku tomo or BM to an extent where he cant tag a much inferior entity? or unless you think that BM minato is faster than Juubito?



The kurama avatars firepower is superior to full kurama and its durability takes a dump on full kyuubi as well
one TBB from full kkyuubi eradicated all of hashiramas mokuton bar mokuton hobi
one TBB from the avatar matched not one but 5 of them,
and minato can fire off 5 off them in a continous barrage, so hashiramas entire mokutons are garbaged here



at best he can catch one of them with mokujin, whats he supposed to do with mayfly?
his mokutons are eradicated and without them he is not evading the explosion of TBB so he dies

what the hell is a wood clone supposed to do as well? one TBB and they are got in its vicinity

without SS, there is literally nothing hashirama could do, and with SS there is not much that minato could do
its that simple really

False, The gokage 5 kage level ninja were not able to tell if Madara was the real one or a wood clone.. you really think Minato would be able to? Mokuton tree world, spam wood clone.. he would have no idea where Hashirama would be.

And also, Mayfly with wood clones = He knows about the entire map, where everything is happening. Kurama's avatar, isn't doing anything, simply due to the fact its pointless to bring it out, when the guy can create Mountain sized hands to either pin it down or to slap it.. Best thing Minato has going for him is TBB.. something thats slapped away by either the hands he can pop fromt he ground in an instant or by Mokuton tree world and etc, OR simply a wood clone punching the shit out of Kurama's avatar from the bottom.......


PS: From your part 1 of the argument where you are defending Hashirama you also make points where it only supports Hashirama's win without SS.

No full Kurama's power is superior.. idk why you think BM Minato has a superior fire power compared to full Kurama.... lol.

 

[ARGUS]

False, The gokage 5 kage level ninja were not able to tell if Madara was the real one or a wood clone.. you really think Minato would be able to?

Doesnt need to, ddue to he reasons specified
wood clones are the least of his worries

Mokuton tree world,

One TBB and its gone

spam wood clone..

one TBB and theey are out of the picture

he would have no idea where Hashirama would be.

and why is that? especially when minato has sensing to locate him

And also, Mayfly with wood clones = He knows about the entire map, where everything is happening. Kurama's avatar, isn't doing anything, simply due to the fact its pointless to bring it out,

Hashiramas wood clones are not even scratching the kurama avatar? None of his base mokutons are doing that
so its the other way around
what kurama avatar can and will do is eradicate all of hashiramas mokutons and his clones

when the guy can create Mountain sized hands to either pin it down or to slap it..

one TBB eradicates them all, and FTG helps him evade them

Best thing Minato has going for him is TBB.. something thats slapped away by either the hands he can pop fromt he ground in an instant or by Mokuton tree world and etc,

minato coordinates his TBB with FTG, and teleports them right at hashirama,
best thing that hashiramas mokuton can do is deflect 1 TBB, no reason to believe how they are doing anything to 5 of them
flower tree world got eradicated by jinton, TBB has a wider AOE and does this much easily, FTW is not doing shit

OR simply a wood clone punching the shit out of Kurama's avatar from the bottom.......

the kurama avatar tanked something that shat on 9 TBB, what the hell made you think that the wood clones punch is doing anything at all,
whats worse is that minato would sense the clone and blow it away with a kurama roar, or just match/overwhelm them with his own
TBB isnt even needed for such trash

PS: From your part 1 of the argument where you are defending Hashirama you also make points where it only supports Hashirama's win without SS.

its because SS is the only thing thats going for him,
the only part of my argument where SS wasnt included was the fact that hashirama can tag his avatar which is still true
but his mokutons here are not even scratching him hence why he loses

No full Kurama's power is superior.. idk why you think BM Minato has a superior fire power compared to full Kurama.... lol.

no its not, manga has already established that Jins > Bijuu
they can pump out the full power of the bijuu whilst full kyuubi couldnt do that,

kurama avatar matched 5 bijuu with its TBB, ull kyuubi has never showed such feats,
and the avatar tanked the juubi beam, where as kyuubi got injured by an FRS and 25 SM COR
juubi beam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FRS and COR, so kurama avatars durability is above full kyuubi

whats worse is that a single TBB from full kyuubi eradiicated all of hashiramas mokuton bar hobi
a stronger TBB and greater amount of TBB would poop on all of his mokutons

 

[Beans2]

Except Minato is not exactly experienced with Kurama avatar either. He has used once himself. Therefore, an alive BM Minato should have around 5-8 minutes himself. You and Gold Lightning are making it sound like he can stay in that mode as long as he needs to which is nothing but wank.

Somebody give this man a medal.

 

[ARGUS]

Except Minato is not exactly experienced with Kurama avatar either. He has used once himself. Therefore, an alive BM Minato should have around 5-8 minutes himself. You and Gold Lightning are making it sound like he can stay in that mode as long as he needs to which is nothing but wank.

This needs to be told to every minato fanboy

 

[KingHashirama]

Kifflom ill reply to you in the morning bro.

But inhighly think you are not counting hashiramas experience fighting stronger people than minato. And him being able to fool people with mokuton.. madara rookie in mokuton waa able to fool 5 kage level ninja...

also what make you think hashiramas mokuton is less durable in defense compared to kurama. And kurama aavatar and actual kurama have the same defense.

How does minatonsense things that are merged with the earth?

 

[ARGUS]

Kifflom ill reply to you in the morning bro.

But inhighly think you are not counting hashiramas experience fighting stronger people than minato.

I am, The gap between VOTE madara and BM minato isn't even that much,
And hashrama needed his top move to take him out, he needs the same here

And him being able to fool people with mokuton.. madara rookie in mokuton waa able to fool 5 kage level ninja...

Except once he attempts to attack then he gets sensed and any and all of his attacks are tanked by the avatar
BM minato is well well above the likes of gokage though

also what make you think hashiramas mokuton is less durable in defense compared to kurama. And kurama aavatar and actual kurama have the same defense.

In terms of durability
Kurama avatar >> kyuubi
Kurama avatar >>> base mokuton

Like I have stated above, kurama avatars firepower and durability trumps full kyuubis and base mokutons

How does minatonsense things that are merged with the earth?

He doesn't sense when he's merged
He senses him when hashrama attempts to attack him which is al he needs to do
His attacks are tanked anyways

 

[KingHashirama]

I am, The gap between VOTE madara and BM minato isn't even that much,
And hashrama needed his top move to take him out, he needs the same here

The gap between VOTE Madara and BM Minato IS HUGE. Especially the fact that BM Naruto only equals or is on the level of Sasuke with normal legged Susanoo.... PS = BSM. Kurama + PS >> BSM or PS. That is the difference.

Hashirama needed the Buddha to finish off the PS+ Kurama quickly. He never planned on using it to attack Madara himself or anthing.. simply to remove the combo of PS+Kurama, so it won't cause that great of damage to the surroundings.

Except once he attempts to attack then he gets sensed and any and all of his attacks are tanked by the avatar
BM minato is well well above the likes of gokage though

No, The Gokage will destroy BM Minato.. sorry (but thats a different discussion), but he isn't even above the Hokage that were along his side.. if you look at solely portrayal hes shown to be on the level of Hiruzen and Tobirama by using Kurama's chakra..

In terms of durability
Kurama avatar >> kyuubi
Kurama avatar >>> base mokuton

Nope sorry, but Hachibi has shown same durability as Kurama's avatar. And Hachibi got stalemated by 3rd Raikage. And you are telling me that the 3rd Raikage somehow possesses more attacking prowess than Mokuton? And that Mokuton possesses Less durability to tank TBB than the Raikage? WTF?

Furthermore your logic makes no sense.. sorry mate.

Hachibi in BM = Same durability without being inside a jinchuriki
But Kurama with 50% of its part = More durabilty than the Full Kurama? What are you talking about? Thats impossible, unless BM Kurama is stronger than Kurama with all of its chakra.. it doesn't have more durability.

Like I have stated above, kurama avatars firepower and durability trumps full kyuubis and base mokutons

No it doesn't.

BM Kurama + other 6 tailed beasts tbb explosion:

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Kurama 100%:

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Only difference between the 2 is that one happened on ground, the first one is in the air, so we see the whole circle, and its zoomed in. The second is on the ground so we only see top of the explosion circle.

So yea mate, the power in BM is not the same as Full Kurama's power at all. I don't know how you would even think it is.

He doesn't sense when he's merged
He senses him when hashrama attempts to attack him which is al he needs to do
His attacks are tanked anyways

1 issue, Hashirama's clones popping from the ground is near instant and his mokuton usage is near instant. He can convert his hands to mokuton hands to simply punch kurama to destroy the TBB build up.


with the wood clone +Mayfly combo nothing is stopping Hashirama from replicating this:

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Minato's only chance would be to use FTG or w.e... but even thats gonna become predictable.. and not gonna work good with Kurama's avatar .

 

[KidGamer65]

Nope sorry, but Hachibi has shown same durability as Kurama's avatar.

Lol...why the fuck do people still debate with this clown?

 

[Lariatoo]

Whitout SS Minato extremily high diff.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol...why the fuck do people still debate with this clown?

Hachibi tails get cut by chidori long spear.
Kurama's partial blocks juubi lazer, and ps slash

Same durability.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hachibi tails get cut by chidori long spear.
Kurama's partial blocks juubi lazer, and ps slash

Same durability.

Compares cutting prowess to a chakra blast that logic.

you think kurama cant be cut by a knife?

 

[Amaterasu]

Even with SS, it's still debatable, Minato is far stronger than VoTE Madara for me

 

[Izanamı.]

Hachibi tails get cut by chidori long spear.
Kurama's partial blocks juubi lazer, and ps slash

Same durability.

and Obito's fuma shurikens rofl​

 

[KingHashirama]

and Obito's fuma shurikens rofl​

So you are claiming the tbb laser has the capacity to stab?

 

[Izanamı.]

So you are claiming the tbb laser has the capacity to stab?

stop being stupid​

 

[KingHashirama]

stop being stupid​

Dont call others stupid when your logic isnt consistant

Furthermore kuramas avatar got pretty ****ed up by the laser just saying. And hachibi was also partially hit by it.

Oh also do let me know how this proves Kurama Avatar is superior in Defense to Actual Kurama