When people say counter for kamui

[VongolaX]

Bm Naruto's clones were restricted and there was a lack of intel. MS Obito has no way of putting him down but to send him to kamui.

Obito used the rinnegan to transform Gedo mazou, he was fighting the two jinchuuriki's with kamui alone.

Obito will not warp bm naruto to kill him, he uses that to capture only.

Ms Obito? Not a chance in hell. With sage mode he reacts to any and all of Obito's attacks. Mokuton clones to keep Obito busy while deep forest bloom outlasts Obito's 5 minutes of intangibility. Madara's Katon is just as big as Obito's and that didn't help him at all. Overall its a medium difficulty win for Hashirama who outclasses this Obito.

Sidenote event if Obito manages to implant rods in Hashi (which won't happen) he won't be able to paralyze Hashi like Madara did.

He has to be doing practically nothing for that to work.

Mokuton doesn't work on a guy who is half Hashirama cells, he can pass through it all like zetsu and Yamato.

Any clones can be dealt with this:

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Madara's Katon put out emergency Forrest too:

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That was his weak Katon too.

Sm naruto put it out on low chakra as well:

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One juubi size Katon is more then enough.

Obito would play with Hashirama like he's Rin.

How does the black rods not paralyze hashirama?

Do you know what they are for, and do you know how he is suppose to use them?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

There are several counters to Kamui such as FTG and the five minute intangibility limit.

Someone just has to be fast enough to land hits on Obito/Kakashi and avoid getting warped.

 

[VongolaX]

There are several counters to Kamui such as FTG and the five minute intangibility limit.

Someone just has to be fast enough to land hits on Obito/Kakashi and avoid getting warped.

This is kamui without warping other people

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

This is kamui without warping other people

Then the five minute intagibilty limit is the only factor to consider,if someone can keep up a sustained assault that could counter Kamui.

 

[VongolaX]

Then the five minute intagibilty limit is the only factor to consider,if someone can keep up a sustained assault that could counter Kamui.

Then they have to face an assult as well from an intangible man.

Look at my scans above.

Intangible Obito attacking with a giant shuriken, mokuton, black rods/six path absorption etc.

Only a few people can fight him comfortably

People with some sense of rikudou chakra flowing through them.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Then they have to face an assult as well from an intangible man.

Look at my scans above.

Intangible Obito attacking with a giant shuriken, mokuton, black rods/six path absorption etc.

Only a few people can fight him comfortably

People with some sense of rikudou chakra flowing through them.

Was'nt it stated that Obito has to turn tangible to attack though?

I mean Konan was able to nearly kill him with paper bombs that continuously exploded which bypassed Obito's five minute intangibility.

Someone with enough speed and power can do more than that.

 

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Obito used the rinnegan to transform Gedo mazou, he was fighting the two jinchuuriki's with kamui alone.

Obito will not warp bm naruto to kill him, he uses that to capture only

Warping someone = Killing them. They have no food so they die. Or Obito can find a volcano and toss them in it after


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Mokuton doesn't work on a guy who is half Hashirama cells, he can pass through it all like zetsu and Yamato.

Agreed

Any clones can be dealt with this:

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Kakashi blocked them with doton wall. Hashirama has at least 3 counters for any and all projectiles

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Both were used in the blink of an eye to protect from a TBB. Danzo also sprouted a simple tree in a second to stop Sasukes arrow something Hashi can easily replicate.

Madara's Katon put out emergency Forrest too:

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That was his weak Katon too.

Read the second page. The whole forest needs to be destroyed like Tsuchikage did

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And Hashi won't sit there and let that happen. Rashomon gates would block the katon or his hotei jutsu

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Sm naruto put it out on low chakra as well:

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Irrelevant. That is Naruto. The only technique obito posses that poses a threat to an entire forest is Katon and that won't be enough and is blocked.
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Obito would play with Hashirama like he's Rin.

No Obito loses medium difficulties.

How does the black rods not paralyze hashirama?

Do you know what they are for, and do you know how he is suppose to use them?

Naruto with vague specs of Kurama chakra overwhelmed Nagato. Hashirama does the same to Obito. DB says he posseses the largest chakra pool and he cracked buildings by flexing his chakra. Only Madara can paralyze Hashi and Hashi was weakened first anyway.

 

[VongolaX]

Warping someone = Killing them. They have no food so they die. Or Obito can find a volcano and toss them in it after

Overtime

Killing intent is remaining intangible and stab somebody in the body with those huge body size shurikens or that mokuton spike that explodes once it reaches inside your body.

It happens immediately

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Kakashi blocked them with doton wall. Hashirama has at least 3 counters for any and all projectiles

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The huge shurikens and Kunai are only for wood clones, keeps his numbers short.

They are a counter for far away objects

But he can pass through them easily as well:

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Both were used in the blink of an eye to protect from a TBB. Danzo also sprouted a simple tree in a second to stop Sasukes arrow something Hashi can easily replicate.

That's true but he can pass through them like zetsu and Yamato.

Read the second page. The whole forest needs to be destroyed like Tsuchikage did

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And Hashi won't sit there and let that happen. Rashomon gates would block the katon or his hotei jutsu

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Obito's Katon is bigger than the tsuchikage's jinton.

The Rashoum gates protect one specific area, Katon and emergency Forrest is wide spread.

So Katon will clear everything else but where the gates are, which is practically nothing.

Irrelevant. That is Naruto. The only technique obito posses that poses a threat to an entire forest is Katon and that won't be enough and is blocked.

Ya it will:

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It's range increase the further it spreads.

Even sasuke/itachi's Amatersu can clear emergency forest.

Naruto's kcm cloak vanish afterwards
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No Obito loses medium difficulties.

Not possible, he's on rikudou chakra level

Naruto with vague specs of Kurama chakra overwhelmed Nagato. Hashirama does the same to Obito. DB says he posseses the largest chakra pool and he cracked buildings by flexing his chakra. Only Madara can paralyze Hashi and Hashi was weakened first anyway.

Well the databook never said he posses the largest chakra pool.

It said his healing powers where never surpassed.

He fought for a day with Madara to even terms:

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One day of fighting and his chakra levels were on par with EMS Madara, only his life energy is greater.

Obito in the war fought for more than a day, his feat was greater.

At 14 years old he's using the kyuubi as good or even better than Madara.

Something that most uchiha's go blind for.

Hashirama was weakened by Madara, so of course Madara will finish him off.

In fact he wasn't weakened, he still had his sagemode activated.

So Obito can paralyze hashirama

 

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Limbo Hengoku .​

 

[Indestructible]

The huge shurikens and Kunai are only for wood clones, keeps his numbers short.

Wood clones can use Mokuton and block the projectiles, can they not? That's a rhetorical question by the way, of course they can.

But he can pass through them easily as well:

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You specifically mentioned projectiles thrown. Obito can pass through objects but not the projectiles after they are launched, so they get intercepted with mokuton.

That's true but he can pass through them like zetsu and Yamato.

Ill say again I'm talking about blocking launched projectiles.

Obito's Katon is bigger than the tsuchikage's jinton.

Okay

The Rashoum gates protect one specific area, Katon and emergency Forrest is wide spread.

So Katon will clear everything else but where the gates are, which is practically nothing.

Youre ignoring the fact Hashirama can summon 5 gates and he used a total of 5 hotei hands at the same time which were large enough to grab kurama.

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The Katon can be completely blocked using these techniques

Ya it will:

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It's range increase the further it spreads.

Not if it's blocked.

Even sasuke/itachi's Amatersu can clear emergency forest.

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Not possible, he's on rikudou chakra level

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Well the databook never said he posses the largest chakra pool.

It said his healing powers where never surpassed.

He fought for a day with Madara to even terms:

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One day of fighting and his chakra levels were on par with EMS Madara, only his life energy is greater.

Obito in the war fought for more than a day, his feat was greater.

Everyone in the war fought for more than a day. It doesn't mean anything. Hashirama fought with Madara at a higher scale.

At 14 years old he's using the kyuubi as good or even better than Madara.

How? Madara coated kurama with Susano and fired off a TBB barrage.

In fact he wasn't weakened, he still had his sagemode activated.

No he was weakened. Madara and hashi had already stalemated. When Madara was revived he retrieved all of his past powers. Read this scan

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Hashirama clearly states Madara had retrieved his past powers. Which proves Tobiramas statement that alive > edos is true. Hashi was already impaled with rods so of course he was weakened.

So Obito can paralyze hashirama

Okay. Still not getting impaled with rods though. With Sage Mode his reaction speed is improved. More importantly Obito won't know which is the real Hashirama as he can't tell the difference between Mokuton clones.

 

[VongolaX]

Wood clones can use Mokuton and block the projectiles, can they not? That's a rhetorical question by the way, of course they can.

Why would you ask yourself a rhetorical question?

wood clones maybe able to use mokuon but they're of no use:

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You specifically mentioned projectiles thrown. Obito can pass through objects but not the projectiles after they are launched, so they get intercepted with mokuton.

He uses the projectile thrown to stab the clones too:

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Ill say again I'm talking about blocking launched projectiles.

And I'll repeat the same answer as before.

Youre ignoring the fact Hashirama can summon 5 gates and he used a total of 5 hotei hands at the same time which were large enough to grab kurama.

Those aren't gates those are hands.

And I'll repeat myself, mokuton doesn't work on a guy who can pass through wood release like zetsu or yamato

Kamui also passes it, so there is two options here.

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The Katon can be completely blocked using these techniques

Katon is purposed for emergency forest, if he wants to use hands as a means of attack, he'll just pass right through them or absorb its chakra.

Not if it's blocked.

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Everyone in the war fought for more than a day. It doesn't mean anything. Hashirama fought with Madara at a higher scale.

That doesn't make a lick of sense because Obito during the war fought an even higher scale than hashirama and madara combined. There was six bijuus he was throwing around including gedo.

Then he controlled the juubi which>>>>all nine bijuus combinied, making madara and hashirama look like childs play.

Seriously think about it

How? Madara coated kurama with Susano and fired off a TBB barrage.

At 14 he was using kyuubi's bigger ttb which destroyed a village:

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and Kamui at the same time.

Madara uses susanoo ttb sword that only destroyed one mountain, while obito put a whole village worth of power into one ttb.

No he was weakened. Madara and hashi had already stalemated. When Madara was revived he retrieved all of his past powers. Read this scan

He's edo tensei, there is no such thing as weakening

read the manga

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Hashirama clearly states Madara had retrieved his past powers. Which proves Tobiramas statement that alive > edos is true. Hashi was already impaled with rods so of course he was weakened.



Okay. Still not getting impaled with rods though. With Sage Mode his reaction speed is improved. More importantly Obito won't know which is the real Hashirama as he can't tell the difference between Mokuton clones.

No, it means despite his eyes being gone he was able to use his past powers.

hashirama's sagemode didn't evade madara, Obito an advance s/t user will catch hashirama easily.

and yes, obito can see through clones:

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[Rikodou Mode]

Tobirama, Minato, Naruto, Hashirama, Madara, Gai, Raikages and Sasuke all shit on Kamui. All of them sh*t on Obito despite having Hashirama's cells on top of that. So please keep deluding yourself.

Normal manegekyo can't be sustained like EMS so Kamui can be countered by FTG and bijuu chakra. And also explain how tangible Obito is immune to TSB ? Thought so..

 

[Aikor]

counters to kamui:

Outlast the intangibility effects via exhaustation, I believe it was 5 minutes? 15 minutes?
Create a opportunity where Intangibility is turned off to attack
Chakra Exhaustation in general.


While we are at it

Accelerators Vector Defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obito's Kamui Defense

WTF is tht??

 

[VongolaX]

Tobirama, Minato, Naruto, Hashirama, Madara, Gai, Raikages and Sasuke all shit on Kamui. All of them sh*t on Obito despite having Hashirama's cells on top of that. So please keep deluding yourself.

Normal manegekyo can't be sustained like EMS so Kamui can be countered by FTG and bijuu chakra. And also explain how tangible Obito is immune to TSB ? Thought so..

Written like a true retard

Obito smite your Hashirama....fapboy

I never said Obito can beat Sasuke or naruto

 

[VongolaX]

Was'nt it stated that Obito has to turn tangible to attack though?

I mean Konan was able to nearly kill him with paper bombs that continuously exploded which bypassed Obito's five minute intangibility.

Someone with enough speed and power can do more than that.

No, that's why I posted those scans in the OP.

Obito attacked Madara, kakashi, and mist shinobi's while remaining intangible.

He only stays solid when he wants to warp abou her person

 

[Indestructible]

Why would you ask yourself a rhetorical question?
wood clones maybe able to use mokuon but they're of no use:

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Are we going to conveniently ignore the part where Madara said "your focusing too much energy on your real body" in that scan?

He was holding up a formidable barrier. The fact that Hashi was still able to make 6 clones while Tobirama was limited to 3 and Minato 1 is already impressive.

Please stop being naive.

He uses the projectile thrown to stab the clones too:

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And I already told you the clones can easily evade or block with Mokuton. You haven't proven otherwise just provided a scan of Madara destroying a clone saying Hashi was focusing too much power in his original body. Which is an invalid retort because he will not be focusing power on the barrier this time around.

Those aren't gates those are hands.

I'll repeat. I said he can summon 5 gates and 5 hotei hands which were large enough to grab Kurama.

And I'll repeat myself, mokuton doesn't work on a guy who can pass through wood release like zetsu or yamato


Kamui also passes it, so there is two options here.

I'll repeat myself again the Mokuton is not for Obito it is to stop his Katon . Please follow along.

Obito can phase through objects but his Katon cannot. Hashi has executed these techniques faster than a TBB could reach him. So without a doubt they will intercept a Katon.

Katon is purposed for emergency forest, if he wants to use hands as a means of attack, he'll just pass right through them

When did I say the hands are to attack Obito? Read before you post. This is getting ridiculous.

You understand that once Obito releases his Katon it can be intercepted as Kamui does not apply to the Katon.... right?

or absorb its chakra.

serious? Obito is not absorbing 5 kurama sized hands created in the blink of an eye while the katon is being released for the simple fact that he cant do 2 things at once.

If he's releasing the Katon he is standing still while the Katon is being released, while hashi blocks it with hotei hands.

He's edo tensei, there is no such thing as weakening

read the manga

Do I need to explain everything?

Weakened because Madara had placed rods in hashi

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All Madara had to do was this

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That is like Minato fighting with Obito, marking him, then restarting the fight with Minato starting fresh while Obito still has the mark. is that a fair fight?

No, it means despite his eyes being gone he was able to use his past powers.

& how the heck do you relate "he regained his past powers" to that

Past powers = Powers when Madara was alive.

Why would he use the word "past" to refer to Madara's powers before he had a minute before?

If he had said "his powers are still intact" then you would have a case.

& Hashi said it when Madara used a katon. Do you need eyes to use a katon? Do eyes correlate to the strength of a katon? He was referencing overall power not eye power so your premise couldn't be more wrong.

hashirama's sagemode didn't evade madara, Obito an advance s/t user will catch hashirama easily.

Madara was immobilized with the dragon. Hashi could have let himself get impaled to create an opening. we do not know.

And no. s/t user doesn't mean anything. Tobirama is a s/t user, yet who is the superior brother? Ftg is even faster than intangibility so "s/t user" holds no weight here.

and yes, obito can see through clones:

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I question your reading comprehension. that scan proves the opposite of your point.

Obito says "as I thought" after the clone was killed off so he didn't see through the clone he suspected it was a clone, and his suspicion was only verified after he destroyed the clone. If he knew it was a clone he wouldn't have said that. Not even Kaguya can see through clones.

 

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Counter for kamui is sexy jutsu

 

[Hazo]

Fast reaction time, when Minato used FTG to counter and...

Limbo Hengoku .​

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