When people say counter for kamui

[VongolaX]

a Rinnegan genjutsu should do the trick also if somthing harmful is sent to kamui land like clones or black flames then the user is totally effed.

and that's how you counter kamui./thread

You can't send anything into kamui without him sending it there himself./post

 

[Angelic.]

im all about that kamui

 

[Shanks]

Thank you sir

I didn't find a good retort from haters in this thread, just senseless bashing

But you are using Pros of Kamui right .

There are Cons of Obito's ability . I know that People who Possess ST Technique can keep up with him .

a Rinnegan genjutsu should do the trick also if somthing harmful is sent to kamui land like clones or black flames then the user is totally effed.

and that's how you counter kamui./thread

Can you tell me difference between Rinnegan Genjutsu and ordinary Genjutsu . What is Worse than Itachi's Tsukiyomi ?? XD .

Rinnegan Genjutsu is nothing but Infinite Tsukiyomi my Friend .

 

[Megax Rocker7]

You can't send anything into kamui without him sending it there himself./post

Indeed and that's when tricks start.

someone like naruto can easily trick obito to wraping one of his clones there if obito attempts to use it on him. kamui shuriken is an easy target to that.

and sasuke's AT(rinne shift) would just swap him with black flames or worse;obito himself causing him to snipe himself (keep in mind that the range limit to sasuke's AT only applies to teleporting swaping in the other hand does not have the same range limit but requires an object to swap with ) also why all that when he can just teleport behind him and cut him in an instant like he did to madara(note that minato was able to stab obito before he could phase and judging how he couldn't do that to JJ madara whom sasuke easily cut in half means sasuke's striking speed is enough to hit obito before he phases add that the lenth and sharpness of his chidori blade means obito does not have enough time to phase thro that) or he can just use his Genjutsu: rinnegan and make short work of him.

so yes like you said striking speed is important but every jutsu has a weakness.

 

[Amaterasu]

I don't know if I need to dislike or not

 

[Megax Rocker7]

But you are using Pros of Kamui right .

There are Cons of Obito's ability . I know that People who Possess ST Technique can keep up with him .



Can you tell me difference between Rinnegan Genjutsu and ordinary Genjutsu . What is Worse than Itachi's Tsukiyomi ?? XD .

Rinnegan Genjutsu is nothing but Infinite Tsukiyomi my Friend .

itachi's genjutsu's main task is to damage the victims mind in a matter of seconds but it easily get's countered by skilled sharingan users.

rinnegan genjutsu in the other hand can only be countered by another rinnegan which kamui has no counter to.

 

[AlphaScythian]

First and foremost, if you are a fan that believes Obito (1MS) is unbeatable by anyone besides Juubis, let me know so I can stop wasting my time.

All depends on scenarios, but yeah Biggest Obito Fan at your service

Wrong. Obito needs to become solid to attack, warp people in, or warp objects out; he cannot attack and be intangible at the exact same time.

It was explained in the Torune fight he needs to be solid to attack

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Furthermore, Obito tried to grab Rin here but he accidentally phased right through her because his phasing was on.

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If you're still not convinced note this scan. Obito's intangibility is active and his hand slips right through Naruto's head instead of actally touching it.

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Before you show me Obito striking Madara through the chest, Obito was solid when he struck. Intangibility was activared after he struck (to avoid Madara's attack). This does not prove Obito can attack and be solid at the same time unless you prove Obito had his intangibility active before he struck. Burden of proof is on you.

Funny, you're so sure about the bold part

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Here is the scan of Obito catching Fuu's hand, while his lower part is still intangible inside the pillar.

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Grabbing torune while partially in pillar.


Scan of Obito using Outer chains while fully intangible also exists, scan of Obito activating izanagi while intangible also exists, and couple more one can speculate.

And Of course most obvious one, that intangibility is partial or full depending on Obito's will or size of displacement of overlapped object

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Even this scan suggest Obito decided to push madara back when the hand was still overlapping.

 

[Diabound]

All depends on scenarios, but yeah Biggest Obito Fan at your service

Good to know.

Funny, you're so sure about the bold part

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Here is the scan of Obito catching Fuu's hand, while his lower part is still intangible inside the pillar.

Except that you do not know if Obito's body was still overlapping with the pillar when he caught Fuu's hand.

Obito was rising from the pillar, Fuu attacked, and Obito caught the hand. The last panel shows Obito's entire body is standing up, so by the time he caught the hand, he was already completely emerged from the pillar. These panels are not nano seconds apart you know.

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Grabbing torune while partially in pillar.

You just killed your argument. It is a fact he has to become solid to warp something inside. The OP even acknowledged this.

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8 tails: If he materializes to suck things in he must materialize to suck things out

It is impossible for Obito to have grabbed and warped Torune while simultaneously phasing through the pillar which means he wasn't. The last panel also shows Obito completely emerged as he just finished warping Torune. Again these panels are not nano seconds apart we must use common sense.

Scan of Obito using Outer chains while fully intangible also exists, scan of Obito activating izanagi while intangible also exists, and couple more one can speculate.

And I'm sure these are just your flawed interpretation just like the above ones as well.

And Of course most obvious one, that intangibility is partial or full depending on Obito's will or size of displacement of overlapped object

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If you saw my scans you would know Obito doesn't control it at all. It's automatic. He phased through Rin involuntary And through Gai and Kakashi without even noticing they were there.

Even this scan suggest Obito decided to push madara back when the hand was still overlapping.

Um, Obito didn't push Madara, Madara backed Away.

 

[VongolaX]

Indeed and that's when tricks start.

someone like naruto can easily trick obito to wraping one of his clones there if obito attempts to use it on him. kamui shuriken is an easy target to that.

and sasuke's AT(rinne shift) would just swap him with black flames or worse;obito himself causing him to snipe himself (keep in mind that the range limit to sasuke's AT only applies to teleporting swaping in the other hand does not have the same range limit but requires an object to swap with ) also why all that when he can just teleport behind him and cut him in an instant like he did to madara(note that minato was able to stab obito before he could phase and judging how he couldn't do that to JJ madara whom sasuke easily cut in half means sasuke's striking speed is enough to hit obito before he phases add that the lenth and sharpness of his chidori blade means obito does not have enough time to phase thro that) or he can just use his Genjutsu: rinnegan and make short work of him.

so yes like you said striking speed is important but every jutsu has a weakness.

You didn't read my thread.

No warping other people allowed.

Only intangible and ejecting kamui, that's it.

 

[VongolaX]

But you are using Pros of Kamui right .

There are Cons of Obito's ability . I know that People who Possess ST Technique can keep up with him .



Can you tell me difference between Rinnegan Genjutsu and ordinary Genjutsu . What is Worse than Itachi's Tsukiyomi ?? XD .

Rinnegan Genjutsu is nothing but Infinite Tsukiyomi my Friend .

Yes S/t users like minato, Tobirama, and Sasuke are able to land hits due to speed.

My argument is a counter to kamui that everybody can follow.

No warping other people kamui, no contact to warp anybody.

^^Thats restricted^^

 

[AlphaScythian]

Except that you do not know if Obito's body was still overlapping with the pillar when he caught Fuu's hand.
Obito was rising from the pillar, Fuu attacked, and Obito caught the hand. The last panel shows Obito's entire body is standing up, so by the time he caught the hand, he was already completely emerged from the pillar. These panels are not nano seconds apart you know.

Simply laughable denial. When Obito caught Fuu's hand, the hand was on the same level as Obito's head thus half of Obito's body still remains in the pillar.

You just killed your argument. It is a fact he has to become solid to warp something inside. The OP even acknowledged this.

I didnt kill my argument, you losing points here. I only contested what i previously bolded out from your reply, warping people was not in question there U_U

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It is impossible for Obito to have grabbed and warped Torune while simultaneously phasing through the pillar which means he wasn't. The last panel also shows Obito completely emerged as he just finished warping Torune. Again these panels are not nano seconds apart we must use common sense.

Once again, i wasnt referring to warping here but attacking. Obito canonically is able to touch others while partially intangibly thus he is also able to attack even if plot never allow him to.

And I'm sure these are just your flawed interpretation just like the above ones as well.

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Right, now im suffering from bad sight

If you saw my scans you would know Obito doesn't control it at all. It's automatic. He phased through Rin involuntary And through Gai and Kakashi without even noticing they were there.

I believe that the fact he involuntarily phased through some one one time only and shortly after he got his intangibility power is proof enough that it is due to lack of skill with it.

At this point with the scans of partial intangibility i have provided it is useless to speculate on this gai and kakashi example. Obito intended to warp naruto there not kill hence he needed to be solid therefore he opted for full body intangibility.

Stating he did not know they were there is baseless at the least. Madara gained sensing abilities after gaining hashi cells which Obito also has and displayed great deal or awareness from blind spots and many other feats that cant be explained w/o him having sensing abilities because otherwise why didnt he take his intangibility off, just like vs minato he was inch away from touching naruto.

Um, Obito didn't push Madara, Madara backed Away.

Are you saying, JJ Madara, immortal, cocky legend retreated like a ***** from near dead Obito?

Its been fun thou

 

[Conspirator.]

I accidentally disliked the thread. Oops. Lol

 

[Megax Rocker7]

You didn't read my thread.

No warping other people allowed.

Only intangible and ejecting kamui, that's it.

in that case you are right striking speed is the only why to hurt the user. my bad sorry.

but rinnegan genjutsu would still enslave him.

 

[VongolaX]

in that case you are right striking speed is the only why to hurt the user. my bad sorry.

but rinnegan genjutsu would still enslave him.

Thank you

Yes, a rinnegan genjustu would

 

[VongolaX]

I accidentally disliked the thread. Oops. Lol

It's fine

I just want people to know you don't need to warp people to win a fight.

 

[Indestructible]

Dealing with Kamui is tricky the only persons who have what it takes to beat Obito is limited to Minato, Tobirama, Bm Naruto, Hashirama, and Madara. I might be forgetting someone.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Kamui solos NV

 

[VongolaX]

Dealing with Kamui is tricky the only persons who have what it takes to beat Obito is limited to Minato, Tobirama, Bm Naruto, Hashirama, and Madara. I might be forgetting someone.

S/t users catch Obito, especially if he warping people but I restricted it.

Bm can't get him, Obito was overwhelming him during his fight.
Even Obito said he was dumb to attack him alone.

Hashirama stands less of a chance than bm naruto, we know Hashirama's weakness when it came to Madara's will so.

Intangible kamui, Black rods and Katon will be enough for him

 

[Solo]

counters to kamui:

Outlast the intangibility effects via exhaustation, I believe it was 5 minutes? 15 minutes?
Create a opportunity where Intangibility is turned off to attack
Chakra Exhaustation in general.


While we are at it

Accelerators Vector Defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obito's Kamui Defense

Or Kamui failed.

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Kishi probably had a legit counter for this bs, but then forgot.

 

[Indestructible]

S/t users catch Obito, especially if he warping people but I restricted it.

Oh okay.

Bm can't get him, Obito was overwhelming him during his fight.
Even Obito said he was dumb to attack him alone.

Bm Naruto's clones were restricted and there was a lack of intel. MS Obito has no way of putting him down but to send him to kamui.

Hashirama stands less of a chance than bm naruto, we know Hashirama's weakness when it came to Madara's will so.

Intangible kamui, Black rods and Katon will be enough for him

Ms Obito? Not a chance in hell. With sage mode he reacts to any and all of Obito's attacks. Mokuton clones to keep Obito busy while deep forest bloom outlasts Obito's 5 minutes of intangibility. Madara's Katon is just as big as Obito's and that didn't help him at all. Overall its a medium difficulty win for Hashirama who outclasses this Obito.

Sidenote event if Obito manages to implant rods in Hashi (which won't happen) he won't be able to paralyze Hashi like Madara did.