who's gonna be the next captain commander?

[Caliburn]

i disagree and i think the Status thing is BS cuz i would never believe that she is stronger than shunsui and ukitake.

he was caught by surprise and u know how ukitake is with kids...
and u have to take in consideration the unohana is a very busy woman who will probably be too busy healing people to anything.

It's not BS, it speaks for itself. Of course those stats doesn't mean necessarily that she's stronger, still it has the benefit of the doubt. And why couldn't she be stronger? That sounds harassing as you just say it's impossible for her to be stronger than Ukitake and Shunsui with not a single reason to back it up.

A captain that is caught by surprise is weak =/ he left his guard open, it's his fault and his alone. That's the lamest excuse I ever heard, he's a captain, no matter who the opponent is he shouldn't be caught of guard so easily.

And if you're going to take into consideration that she's bussy with healing, you should also take into consideration that Ukitake spends half of the day (or even days as stated in the manga) in his bed because of his sickness -_- that sickness of his takes a lot more time than Unohana's healing and Shuunsui is way to lazy, he's sleeping almost the entire day.

So we're back we're we started: Unohana, there's no reason to assume she would be weaker, but there is one why she would be stronger. The other two have at least as much time as her or even less than her.

true, shes healer type, and keeping them in check doesnt mean that shes stronger, shes female and friend... its like Sakura keeps Naruto in check...

You're actually comparing her with Sakura =/ be real. It's not because she's a woman her physical skills are less than those of men. There's no doubt her kido skills are the best outside Yama-ji and Aizen and there's no reason for saying that her pyshical strenght is weaker than those of Ukitake and Shuunsui.

You guys are also forgetting she was the only one who actually figured out Aizens plan, which indicates her intelligence is also one of the highest of all the captains.

 

[Shunsui]

You're actually comparing her with Sakura =/ be real. It's not because she's a woman her physical skills are less than those of men. There's no doubt her kido skills are the best outside Yama-ji and Aizen and there's no reason for saying that her pyshical strenght is weaker than those of Ukitake and Shuunsui.

You guys are also forgetting she was the only one who actually figured out Aizens plan, which indicates her intelligence is also one of the highest of all the captains.

my opinion

She is intelligent and also of the oldest and most experienced captains like Shunsui and Ukitake, but she is not the fighting type Captain, shes damn healer... like her 4d squad wich is the weekest ones couse all they do is support

We never seen her in action, CC never gave her other orders than support, while others fought Espadas, the reason why is probably couse shes not good at it!

Shes not week, but saying that she might be stronger than Shunsui who pwned 1st Espada or ukitake whos powers we havent seen yet is reckless

The 4th Division is the medical/supply division. They are responsible for both treating the injured and doing most of the manual labor, such as cleaning the Seireitei. The 4th Division is further divided into teams that have specific assigned jobs. They are looked down upon by the 11th Division who usually bully them around because they believe that the 4th Division are just a weak medical team, as opposed to the 11th Division, which is combat-focused, although most members of the 11th Division are afraid of the Captain Retsu Unohana

if its the reason u think shes IMBA than i can asure you 11ts = Kenpachi, Yachiru, Ikkaku and Yumichika others would be afraid of any cap since they are weaklings

 

[StealthShinobi]

It's not BS, it speaks for itself. Of course those stats doesn't mean necessarily that she's stronger, still it has the benefit of the doubt. And why couldn't she be stronger? That sounds harassing as you just say it's impossible for her to be stronger than Ukitake and Shunsui with not a single reason to back it up.

A captain that is caught by surprise is weak =/ he left his guard open, it's his fault and his alone. That's the lamest excuse I ever heard, he's a captain, no matter who the opponent is he shouldn't be caught of guard so easily.

And if you're going to take into consideration that she's bussy with healing, you should also take into consideration that Ukitake spends half of the day (or even days as stated in the manga) in his bed because of his sickness -_- that sickness of his takes a lot more time than Unohana's healing and Shuunsui is way to lazy, he's sleeping almost the entire day.

So we're back we're we started: Unohana, there's no reason to assume she would be weaker, but there is one why she would be stronger. The other two have at least as much time as her or even less than her.



You're actually comparing her with Sakura =/ be real. It's not because she's a woman her physical skills are less than those of men. There's no doubt her kido skills are the best outside Yama-ji and Aizen and there's no reason for saying that her pyshical strenght is weaker than those of Ukitake and Shuunsui.

You guys are also forgetting she was the only one who actually figured out Aizens plan, which indicates her intelligence is also one of the highest of all the captains.

well if what ur saying is true then shunsui is weak(wich he is totally not!!!) cuz he could've died if he hadnt been saved by ukitake when the 1st espada cought him by surprise.

and about unohana not being stronger than shunsui and ukitake umm lets see
why didint she help yama against aizen (dont tell me that she was busy healing people cuz as yama stated everyone who was there was ready to sacrefice there lives in order to kill aizen so if she and yama had worked together then they would've probably brought down aizen with minimum casualties)

ow and i agree with everything that shunsui said

 

[Shunsui]

ps. Coyote Starrk was lazy as Shunsui but it didnt stop him from bean the Primera (1st)

 

[~Rerrando~]

well if what ur saying is true then shunsui is weak(wich he is totally not!!!) cuz he could've died if he hadnt been saved by ukitake when the 1st espada cought him by surprise.

and about unohana not being stronger than shunsui and ukitake umm lets see
why didint she help yama against aizen (dont tell me that she was busy healing people cuz as yama stated everyone who was there was ready to sacrefice there lives in order to kill aizen so if she and yama had worked together then they would've probably brought down aizen with minimum casualties)

ow and i agree with everything that shunsui said

its kind of hard not to agree with shunsuixd

 

[Shunsui]

its kind of hard not to agree with shunsuixd

come on, im just sharing my opinion u dont have to agree with it

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sorry if i got ur post wrong, it just looks sarcastic xd

 

[~Rerrando~]

come on, im just sharing my opinion u dont have to agree with it

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sorry if i got ur post wrong, it just looks sarcastic xd

np...i have truoble telling whether not anything anybody says is sarcastic so i dnt really care but, yea your opinion is highly appreciated/valuable/mostly what every one thinks xdxdxd

 

[StealthShinobi]

ps. Coyote Starrk was lazy as Shunsui but it didnt stop him from bean the Primera (1st)

true...lazy people RULE !!!

 

[~Rerrando~]

true...lazy people RULE !!!

thats why laziness pays off now xd

 

[StealthShinobi]

thats why laziness pays off now xd

xd

 

[Shunsui]

true...lazy people RULE !!!

thats why i picked up nick name here as Shunsui, im very lazy person


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Master Swordsmanship Specialist: While in battle his power is said to be stronger than any other. His power is unrivalled by anyone who came before him or anyone since.[85]While hating the concept of having to engage in a fight, Kyōraku is presumably one of the most proficient swordsmen in all of Soul Society. He is a highly adaptable combatant as his two swords have allowed him to become ambidextrous, meaning that he is able to switch hands between the two swords. Kyōraku usually swings with more strength in his left hand then his right; however, he can easily switch or balance the strength between his two hands, much to the surprise of his opponent. Kyōraku states that he only uses his wakizashi in situations where his katana is too difficult to use. He claims that he does not use them together on a regular basis. The best example of Shunsui's prowess is shown from his ability to fight on even grounds with an unreleased Starrk, the 1st Espada, with only his sealed Zanpakutō while other captain-level Shinigami have been seen requiring at least their Shikai against an Espada Shunsui's fighting style involves evasion and attacking an opponent either in the front or back using the element of surprise to overwhelm them.[87][88][89] His two swords move at a different pace. He takes advantage of that while fighting. While the enemy is at the mercy of his wakizashi?s speed, his tachi swoops in for the final blow. That is the most common method used for swords like his

 

[Caliburn]

my opinion

She is intelligent and also of the oldest and most experienced captains like Shunsui and Ukitake, but she is not the fighting type Captain, shes damn healer... like her 4d squad wich is the weekest ones couse all they do is support

We never seen her in action, CC never gave her other orders than support, while others fought Espadas, the reason why is probably couse shes not good at it!

Shes not week, but saying that she might be stronger than Shunsui who pwned 1st Espada or ukitake whos powers we havent seen yet is reckless







if its the reason u think shes IMBA than i can asure you 11ts = Kenpachi, Yachiru, Ikkaku and Yumichika others would be afraid of any cap since they are weaklings

Yes, she's not the fighting type, however that doesn't mean she can't fight. Also both Ukitake and Shuunsui aren't real fighting types either or have you forgotten that when Shuunsui fought Chad he tried to avoid combat? Or that he didnt want to fight Starrk either, that the only reason why he fought was because he had too?

Unohana is probably the best healing-expert in the entire SS, so her main job is healing the wounded also she isn't the type that likes to fight. But it would be foolish just to assume based on that that she would suck at fighting =/ and in the hypothetical case she would get hurt/killed, who's going to lead the medical teams then?

It's even more reckless to say that she would be weaker than Ukitake and Shuunsui while the stats say otherwise, not to mention that we have seen the least of her skills if you would compare her to Shuunsui and Ukitake. After all we know pretty much what Shuunsui's shikai does and probably most of what Ukitake's does. However we have seen Unohana's shikai only once and we only know it transforms into a monster, however what skills it has (outside healing) are unknown. Also we have seen her skills the least of all. You're being a lot more reckless because you're saying she would be weaker than the other two while you have no idea of her strength.

And I don't have a clue what IMBA means and why you actually quoted that thing about the 11th division while I didn't even mentioned anything about that =/

well if what ur saying is true then shunsui is weak(wich he is totally not!!!) cuz he could've died if he hadnt been saved by ukitake when the 1st espada cought him by surprise.

and about unohana not being stronger than shunsui and ukitake umm lets see
why didint she help yama against aizen (dont tell me that she was busy healing people cuz as yama stated everyone who was there was ready to sacrefice there lives in order to kill aizen so if she and yama had worked together then they would've probably brought down aizen with minimum casualties)

ow and i agree with everything that shunsui said

I never said that Ukitake and Shuunsui are weak. In the end the difference between all three of them is only a minimum. However it remains a fact that global seen all Unohana's skills are better than the other two and there's no reason to doubt that.

And saying things like why she didn't help Aizen you shouldn't even ask because that's Kubo. I mean where's Kensei? Why did Hirako explain his shikai? Why did Yama-ji just didn't use his bankai? Where is Ukitake? Why has Shuunsui not used his bankai? And that list goes on and on so it's useless to ask that kind of questions as it is irrelevant.

And you forget that she was for the majority of the battle in Hueco Mundo.

true...lazy people RULE !!!

Can't argue with that.

 

[Shunsui]

i hate to argue, but u leave me no chose... il prove you that Shunsui is stronger than Unohana​

Shunsui?s Power & Abilities cuted v.pt 2

Master Swordsmanship Specialist:
While in battle his power is said to be stronger than any other. His power is unrivalled by anyone who came before him or anyone since

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The best example of Shunsui's prowess is shown from his ability to fight on even grounds with an unreleased Starrk, the 1st Espada, with only his sealed Zanpakutō while other captain-level Shinigami have been seen requiring at least their Shikai against an Espada

Flash Steps Master: He is masterful in the art of Flash Steps as a captain. He notably makes a massive leap in Flash Steps within mere moments to remove Nanao from the battlefield and return almost instantly, commended even by Yamamoto prior to battle Shunsui's skill is proficient enough for him to effortlessly dodge Starrk's attacks without mussing his hat or Kimono

note: his speed is equal to Starrks

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Starrk's skill and speed in Son?do is so great that it seems as though he possesses a form of teleportation as he moves in the blink of an eye, simply "appearing" solidly instead of shimmering for a second like other Son?do users. He is so swift that he used it to avoid both Kenpachi Zaraki and Ichigo Kurosaki in order to recapture Orihime, returning her to Aizen within an instant

Enhanced Strength: Shunsui has shown that he is very powerful in terms of strength, as shown when he cracked a barrier that Aizen put up to protect his blind spot with just his Shikai attack, while Ichigo in Bankai and using his Getsuga Tenshou could not even damage a similar barrier

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Enhanced Durability: Shunsui has the ability to survive seemingly unscathed from devastating attacks after taking on General Yamamoto, whose Zanpakutō is the most devastating in all of Soul Society in terms of destructive power.[99] He was also able to withstand a Cero at point blank range from Starrk, the Primera Espada, in his released form without any noticeable injuries

it was only a small part of his powers, couse we didnt see his full power.
what can u say about Unohana powers?​

 

[~Rerrando~]

i hate to argue, but u leave me no chose... il prove you that Shunsui is stronger than Unohana​

Shunsui?s Power & Abilities cuted v.pt 2

Master Swordsmanship Specialist:
While in battle his power is said to be stronger than any other. His power is unrivalled by anyone who came before him or anyone since

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The best example of Shunsui's prowess is shown from his ability to fight on even grounds with an unreleased Starrk, the 1st Espada, with only his sealed Zanpakutō while other captain-level Shinigami have been seen requiring at least their Shikai against an Espada

Flash Steps Master: He is masterful in the art of Flash Steps as a captain. He notably makes a massive leap in Flash Steps within mere moments to remove Nanao from the battlefield and return almost instantly, commended even by Yamamoto prior to battle Shunsui's skill is proficient enough for him to effortlessly dodge Starrk's attacks without mussing his hat or Kimono

note: his speed is equal to Starrks

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Starrk's skill and speed in Son?do is so great that it seems as though he possesses a form of teleportation as he moves in the blink of an eye, simply "appearing" solidly instead of shimmering for a second like other Son?do users. He is so swift that he used it to avoid both Kenpachi Zaraki and Ichigo Kurosaki in order to recapture Orihime, returning her to Aizen within an instant

Enhanced Strength: Shunsui has shown that he is very powerful in terms of strength, as shown when he cracked a barrier that Aizen put up to protect his blind spot with just his Shikai attack, while Ichigo in Bankai and using his Getsuga Tenshou could not even damage a similar barrier

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Enhanced Durability: Shunsui has the ability to survive seemingly unscathed from devastating attacks after taking on General Yamamoto, whose Zanpakutō is the most devastating in all of Soul Society in terms of destructive power.[99] He was also able to withstand a Cero at point blank range from Starrk, the Primera Espada, in his released form without any noticeable injuries

it was only a small part of his powers, couse we didnt see his full power.
what can u say about Unohana powers?​

yet and still highly conviencing

 

[Caliburn]

i hate to argue, but u leave me no chose... il prove you that Shunsui is stronger than Unohana​

Shunsui?s Power & Abilities cuted v.pt 2

Master Swordsmanship Specialist:
While in battle his power is said to be stronger than any other. His power is unrivalled by anyone who came before him or anyone since

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The best example of Shunsui's prowess is shown from his ability to fight on even grounds with an unreleased Starrk, the 1st Espada, with only his sealed Zanpakutō while other captain-level Shinigami have been seen requiring at least their Shikai against an Espada

Flash Steps Master: He is masterful in the art of Flash Steps as a captain. He notably makes a massive leap in Flash Steps within mere moments to remove Nanao from the battlefield and return almost instantly, commended even by Yamamoto prior to battle Shunsui's skill is proficient enough for him to effortlessly dodge Starrk's attacks without mussing his hat or Kimono

note: his speed is equal to Starrks

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Starrk's skill and speed in Son?do is so great that it seems as though he possesses a form of teleportation as he moves in the blink of an eye, simply "appearing" solidly instead of shimmering for a second like other Son?do users. He is so swift that he used it to avoid both Kenpachi Zaraki and Ichigo Kurosaki in order to recapture Orihime, returning her to Aizen within an instant

Enhanced Strength: Shunsui has shown that he is very powerful in terms of strength, as shown when he cracked a barrier that Aizen put up to protect his blind spot with just his Shikai attack, while Ichigo in Bankai and using his Getsuga Tenshou could not even damage a similar barrier

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Enhanced Durability: Shunsui has the ability to survive seemingly unscathed from devastating attacks after taking on General Yamamoto, whose Zanpakutō is the most devastating in all of Soul Society in terms of destructive power.[99] He was also able to withstand a Cero at point blank range from Starrk, the Primera Espada, in his released form without any noticeable injuries

it was only a small part of his powers, couse we didnt see his full power.
what can u say about Unohana powers?​

*sigh* you really don't get it, do you. You have just proven my point: you have no clue about her abilities, so where do you get the right from to say that she would be weaker than shunsui when you don't know anything about her power?

Shunsui's data:

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Kyōraku's Battle Data, clockwise. Top: Offense (90), Top Right: Defense (90), Bottom Right: Mobility (90), Bottom: Kidō/Reiatsu (100), Bottom Left: Intelligence (90), Top Left: Physical Strength (70). Total: 530/600

Unohana's date:

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Top: Offense (100), Top Right: Defense (80), Bottom right: Mobility (70), Bottom: Kidō/Reiatsu (100), Bottom Left: Intelligence (100), Top Left: Physical Strength (90).
Total: 540/600

These are official data. You can use as much examples from Shunsui as you want, you can say as much as you wish of him fighting Starrk...but what use does that have if you don't have anything to compare it with? You don't know what would have happend if Unohana fought with Starrk.

Of course you can always say that she just doesn't fight, however that's one: she doesn't like to.
And two: she's a healer. If she dies, who's going to heal the injured? It's her job as a healer to stay away from combat, but only a fool would deduct from that that she's weak.

Posting all those things was completely useless as you don't have anything to compare it with, while I clearly could compare them.

 

[Shunsui]

it would be stupid to relay on Battle Data especialy when difrence is 10

example Aizen and Yamamoto bouth 560/600 and just how the battle ended

 

[Caliburn]

it would be stupid to relay on Battle Data especialy when difrence is 10

example Aizen and Yamamoto bouth 560/600 and just how the battle ended

I clearly stated in one of my previous posts that the difference is minimum.

And look who's talking. You keep on saying Starrk, primera Espada, swordsman expert, strength this, speed that and blablabla you did exactly the same and now you're saying those things don't matter ~_~

Data is not everything, however comparing both data saying that Unohana is stronger than Shunsui is a lot more valid than saying Shunsui is stronger than Unohana just because you have no reason to assume that.

So long the manga clearly doesn't state who's the strongest one, Unohana being stronger than Shunsui gets the benefit of the doubt.

Aizen was just a lot better prepared and how can you beat that guy in preparation ~_~ Aizen is ridiculously OP and he had the advantage.

 

[Shunsui]

Why should i change my point of view couse of some Bdata?

It says that Hitugaya is stronger that Gin and also Ukitake and few others (huhh?)

this Battle Data is bull.... im not saying its fake, im saying it doesnt prove shi.t couse its obvious it doesnt prove Shit.ttttt

 

[~Rerrando~]

i hate to argue, but u leave me no chose... il prove you that Shunsui is stronger than Unohana​

Shunsui?s Power & Abilities cuted v.pt 2

Master Swordsmanship Specialist:
While in battle his power is said to be stronger than any other. His power is unrivalled by anyone who came before him or anyone since

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The best example of Shunsui's prowess is shown from his ability to fight on even grounds with an unreleased Starrk, the 1st Espada, with only his sealed Zanpakutō while other captain-level Shinigami have been seen requiring at least their Shikai against an Espada

Flash Steps Master: He is masterful in the art of Flash Steps as a captain. He notably makes a massive leap in Flash Steps within mere moments to remove Nanao from the battlefield and return almost instantly, commended even by Yamamoto prior to battle Shunsui's skill is proficient enough for him to effortlessly dodge Starrk's attacks without mussing his hat or Kimono

note: his speed is equal to Starrks

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Starrk's skill and speed in Son?do is so great that it seems as though he possesses a form of teleportation as he moves in the blink of an eye, simply "appearing" solidly instead of shimmering for a second like other Son?do users. He is so swift that he used it to avoid both Kenpachi Zaraki and Ichigo Kurosaki in order to recapture Orihime, returning her to Aizen within an instant

Enhanced Strength: Shunsui has shown that he is very powerful in terms of strength, as shown when he cracked a barrier that Aizen put up to protect his blind spot with just his Shikai attack, while Ichigo in Bankai and using his Getsuga Tenshou could not even damage a similar barrier

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Enhanced Durability: Shunsui has the ability to survive seemingly unscathed from devastating attacks after taking on General Yamamoto, whose Zanpakutō is the most devastating in all of Soul Society in terms of destructive power.[99] He was also able to withstand a Cero at point blank range from Starrk, the Primera Espada, in his released form without any noticeable injuries

it was only a small part of his powers, couse we didnt see his full power.
what can u say about Unohana powers?​

*sigh* you really don't get it, do you. You have just proven my point: you have no clue about her abilities, so where do you get the right from to say that she would be weaker than shunsui when you don't know anything about her power?

Shunsui's data:

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Kyōraku's Battle Data, clockwise. Top: Offense (90), Top Right: Defense (90), Bottom Right: Mobility (90), Bottom: Kidō/Reiatsu (100), Bottom Left: Intelligence (90), Top Left: Physical Strength (70). Total: 530/600

Unohana's date:

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Top: Offense (100), Top Right: Defense (80), Bottom right: Mobility (70), Bottom: Kidō/Reiatsu (100), Bottom Left: Intelligence (100), Top Left: Physical Strength (90).
Total: 540/600

These are official data. You can use as much examples from Shunsui as you want, you can say as much as you wish of him fighting Starrk...but what use does that have if you don't have anything to compare it with? You don't know what would have happend if Unohana fought with Starrk.

Of course you can always say that she just doesn't fight, however that's one: she doesn't like to.
And two: she's a healer. If she dies, who's going to heal the injured? It's her job as a healer to stay away from combat, but only a fool would deduct from that that she's weak.

Posting all those things was completely useless as you don't have anything to compare it with, while I clearly could compare them.

it would be stupid to relay on Battle Data especialy when difrence is 10

example Aizen and Yamamoto bouth 560/600 and just how the battle ended

I clearly stated in one of my previous posts that the difference is minimum.

And look who's talking. You keep on saying Starrk, primera Espada, swordsman expert, strength this, speed that and blablabla you did exactly the same and now you're saying those things don't matter ~_~

Data is not everything, however comparing both data saying that Unohana is stronger than Shunsui is a lot more valid than saying Shunsui is stronger than Unohana just because you have no reason to assume that.

So long the manga clearly doesn't state who's the strongest one, Unohana being stronger than Shunsui gets the benefit of the doubt.

Aizen was just a lot better prepared and how can you beat that guy in preparation ~_~ Aizen is ridiculously OP and he had the advantage.

Why should i change my point of view couse of some Bdata?

It says that Hitugaya is stronger that Gin and also Ukitake and few others (huhh?)

this Battle Data is bull.... im not saying its fake, im saying it doesnt prove shi.t couse its obvious it doesnt prove Shit.ttttt

both of you are making valid pointsbut....

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true...lazy people RULE !!!

thats why laziness pays off now xd

 

[Shunsui]

maybe caliburn was right!