[Discussion] Hakuba vs Zoro

[Uzumaki Macho]

I still call shenanigans on him not dying that day. Oda established Bird Cage and Doffy's strings in general are razor sharp, yet Vise goes flying into it at super speeds and comes back down in one piece. That's suspect.

He didn't hit the Birdcage

Fair enough point on Kill vs K.O I had thought about that while I was writing but I was too committed to a death battle scenario to revise my whole stance.

Gladius might beat Vise in a fight idk, we really don't have enough info to determine that based off one or two fights against random mid-tier to bottom of the top-tier fighters.

I like Gladius more I just think if you were to make a list of everyone Gladius and Vise could fight, everyone on Gladius' list would also be on Vise's list but not everyone on Vise's list would be on Gladius'. Prime example Bartolomeo, until I see more from him I can't/won't say his barrier is equivalent to a punch from an Elbaf Giant, so I don't think Bafrt's Barriers would stop him from being smashed by 10,000 ton Vise(or whatever the name of the move really was) and it's that reasoning why I say Vise is stronger than Gladius. remember ABC logic doesn't apply in manga, Gladius may beat Vise but I think Vise is the stronger of the two.

I will acknowledge Gladius has the more impressive move set, seeing as Vise really only has one trick that we know of. I wonder what other ways Vise can use his fruit though, he makes his body heavier in the air but can he increase the mass of his fist on the ground during a punch? That would add a new dynamic to the battle.

Machvise is one of the weakest Executives, you're really overrating him. He is crap against anyone with decent speed and can only fight slowpokes or giants since everyone else can easily dodge him. Franky, who has no speed feats whatsoever just stepped to the side and avoided 10 Ton Vise, Gladius can easily do the same. Gladius can:
1. Use Punk Hair to paralyze Machvise and then defeat him.
2. Just avoid his attacks and wear down Machvise with Catapult Punk (it was implied that Franky's rockets would have done serious damage to Machvise, so a few Catapult Punks should be enough).
3. Just use Punk Rock Fest or Punk Super Arena right off the bat and easily K.O. (or kill) Machvise.

 

[Punk Hazard]

How does Pink beat Gladius?
Gladius is faster than Machvise because he had no problem catching Kabu, who could knock all of the Executives out of the way before a tear could land on them, and Gladius then proceeded to easily catch Toy Soldier. Riker already explained why Gladius can easily beat Machvise.

I see Pink as faster than Gladius, he'd be able to grab him. If Senor Pink hits that Suplex that he did to Franky that broke his eye, Gladius isn't getting up, and I see that happening more times than Gladius defeating Pink.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I see Pink as faster than Gladius, he'd be able to grab him. If Senor Pink hits that Suplex that he did to Franky that broke his eye, Gladius isn't getting up, and I see that happening more times than Gladius defeating Pink.

I'm pretty sure Pink isn't faster. If Pink tries to use Baby Buster on Gladius, Gladius can just use Fashion Punk to make Pink lose his grip and then he can detonate and it isn't going to be fun for Pink.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm pretty sure Pink isn't faster. If Pink tries to use Baby Buster on Gladius, Gladius can just use Fashion Punk to cushion his fall and once he hits the ground, he would detonate and it isn't going to be fun for Pink.

How would that cushion his fall? His body doesn't get any softer. In fact, that'd hurt even more if he was dropped on his head because now he'd have an inflated body weighing down on his head.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

How would that cushion his fall? His body doesn't get any softer. In fact, that'd hurt even more if he was dropped on his head because now he'd have an inflated body weighing down on his head.

Yea I just realized that it wouldn't work like that, but if Gladius uses Fashion Punk, Senor Pink would lose his grip and the attack would be stopped. Then, Gladius detonates and does some serious damage to Pink.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yea I just realized that it wouldn't work like that, but if Gladius uses Fashion Punk, Senor Pink would lose his grip and the attack would be stopped. Then, Gladius detonates and does some serious damage to Pink.

That freefall would still damage the shit out of him.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

That freefall would still damage the shit out of him.

We can't say that since we have no idea how high up he would be, and Pink would be falling from the same height as well and since he isn't holding onto Gladius, he would feel the damage from that fall as well. Once they both hit the ground, they both get injured by that fall and Gladius detonates, which would kill Pink.

 

[Punk Hazard]

We can't say that since we have no idea how high up he would be, and Pink would be falling from the same height as well and since he isn't holding onto Gladius, he would feel the damage from that fall as well. Once they both hit the ground, they both get injured by that fall and Gladius detonates, which would kill Pink.

Gladius is far too confident in his powers. He just assumed Cavendish had died. Senor Pink could take advantage of this and grab him, surprising him. As shown with Barto's Bari Pistol, a surprised Gladius is a vulnerable Gladius. Pink could just swim into the earth at the moment he'd have crashed, nullifying any damage while Gladius hits the ground and KOs.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Gladius is far too confident in his powers. He just assumed Cavendish had died. Senor Pink could take advantage of this and grab him, surprising him. As shown with Barto's Bari Pistol, a surprised Gladius is a vulnerable Gladius. Pink could just swim into the earth at the moment he'd have crashed, nullifying any damage while Gladius hits the ground and KOs.

Like I said above, we don't know how high the fall would be in this scenario so you can't just assume Gladius would be KOed. Anyways, Gladius would still detonate and destroy the ground Pink is swimming in as well as damage Pink. Also, when Pink is carrying Gladius up, Gladius can just use Blackium or Metpunk to damage Pink and loosen his grip, thus completely stopping Pink's attack.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Like I said above, we don't know how high the fall would be in this scenario so you can't just assume Gladius would be KOed. Anyways, Gladius would still detonate and destroy the ground Pink is swimming in as well as damage Pink. Also, when Pink is carrying Gladius up, Gladius can just use Blackium or Metpunk to damage Pink and loosen his grip, thus completely stopping Pink's attack.

Pink can move through the ground pretty fast. Gladius doesn't blow up the ground around him, understandably. Pink can swim during the inflation to the area around Gladius, which won't be detonated, and do so underground. Gladius thinks he's killed Pink, and he catches him with a Suplex. A few suplexes oughta KO Gladius. Also, Pink is a tank. He can take a few of Gladius' explosions as well as shrapnel and launched objects.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Pink can move through the ground pretty fast. Gladius doesn't blow up the ground around him, understandably. Pink can swim during the inflation to the area around Gladius, which won't be detonated, and do so underground. Gladius thinks he's killed Pink, and he catches him with a Suplex. A few suplexes oughta KO Gladius. Also, Pink is a tank. He can take a few of Gladius' explosions as well as shrapnel and launched objects.

Gladius detonates instantly when he takes damage in his inflated form, so unless pink can swim faster than an explosion, he isn't escaping it's range. I said that Gladius could use Blackium or Metpunk to stop Baby Buster and take no damage, while damaging Pink. Also, Gladius can just inflate the ground around him so that if Pink tries to grab him, he detonates the ground. And you're forgetting that Gladius is also fast, he was able to grab Kabu, someone who is fast enough to push the Executives out of the way before a tear could hit them, and he is durable enough to tank a Jet Stamp, a move that is much stronger than a Suplex.

 

[chopstickchakra]

He didn't hit the Birdcage


Machvise is one of the weakest Executives, you're really overrating him. He is crap against anyone with decent speed and can only fight slowpokes or giants since everyone else can easily dodge him. Franky, who has no speed feats whatsoever just stepped to the side and avoided 10 Ton Vise, Gladius can easily do the same. Gladius can:
1. Use Punk Hair to paralyze Machvise and then defeat him.
2. Just avoid his attacks and wear down Machvise with Catapult Punk (it was implied that Franky's rockets would have done serious damage to Machvise, so a few Catapult Punks should be enough).
3. Just use Punk Rock Fest or Punk Super Arena right off the bat and easily K.O. (or kill) Machvise.

He definitely hit birdcage and I'm done contemplating who would win Vise or Gladius, like I said we really can't know for sure off of a few small fights and 1 big one. I like Bart and Cavendish more but I think Hajrudin is easily the more difficult opponent. It would take a lot of Punk Hair to paralyze Hajrudin.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

He definitely hit birdcage and I'm done contemplating who would win Vise or Gladius, like I said we really can't know for sure off of a few small fights and 1 big one. I like Bart and Cavendish more but I think Hajrudin is easily the more difficult opponent. It would take a lot of Punk Hair to paralyze Hajrudin.

Dude Hajrudin got one shotted by Luffy, he is not in the same tier as Cavendish or Barto. Machvise cannot beat Gladius, I don't know why you would think he can.