[VS] Hashirama vs Team Overrated

[Bogard]

Of course they both enhance techniques Lol doesn't mean they are comparable

-With Rikudo chakra, Kakashi skipped all of the stages of Susano (ribcage to PS) and went straight to a winged PS, no less.

-Sasuke with a Kyubi cloak was able to add legs to his Susano.

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Where did i say they were comparable? I just said it was a possibility. Considering a small quantity of Kyubi's chakra made Kamui 3times more powerful, depending on the quantity of chakra Itachi will receive from the Kyubi's cloak, it may upgrade his Susanoo to much greater extents and why not reach the Perfect one. It's not like Madara had Kyubi level of chakra when he could use Perfect Susanoo at the VOTE. It was just high enough for him to use the jutsu. Even Rikudo chakra has a quantity. A small quantity of Rikudo chakra may not be as big as a big quantity of Kyubi's

 

[Gold Lightning]

If itachi's full susanoo is empowered by 3 times. Then I don't see why Itachi couldn't achieve such a feat. Maybe not his own full Os, but covering Minatos BM avater I can see.

x3 Power isn't some little tiny boost. Kakashi went to teleporting humans, to teleporting Bijuu. With Itachi inside Minatos avatar, there is an endless supply for him.

 

[Icelerate]

Maybe a mini PS? Who knows?

 

[Demonic.]

Maybe a mini PS? Who knows?

A chibi sized one like Joki Boy Lol. I don't think our friend Bogard understands the concept of quality over quantity. No amount of Kyubi cloak would match a handout from the sage himself

Anyway I have homework to do.

 

[Bogard]

And i don't think you know the concept of quantity surpassing quality. A can give 3times better a boost to someone than B under normal means, but if you take the same quantity of B, 4times, it gives you a stronger boost than one quantity of A.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It isn't.

So everything agreeable terms that base on Kurama boost of base being KCM Minato>KCM Naruto>Ay still isn't a good.

Lol, so basically you have no counter argument? You've done nothing but say it was Complete Susanoo (Which is irrelevant since it being Complete Susanoo doesn't mean it has to have two heads) and then say that it has 2 heads, despite 2 heads never being shown. I suggest we start using common sense.

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That is a tilted view, if there was another head on the backside of the Susanoo, you would see part of it. But guess what? There is nothing behind it's head.

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Where's the double head? Parts of it would have been in at least one of these panels if it had a double head.

Lol gawd I can't. Your desperately trying so hard right now its not even funny. KG, STOP being so FREAKING DENSE. It is VERY CLEAR that Madara's Susanoo has Two heads and BOTH side HEADS have different FIGURES.[

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] WE CAN determine the Figures of their HEADS to DETERMINE if ONE IS THE BACK side OR the main SIDE Madara faces. WE KNOW the SINGLE HORN thats pointed forward Towards the HEAD IS the HEAD WE KNOW, OR SHOULD KNOW, THAT THIS is his BACK SIDE of complete Susanoo. PERIOD. MADARA's Susanoo head thats point backwards is the side HE USES that faces HIS VIEW. PERIOD.

The HEAD Figures ARE NOT ONLY shaped in a way to not see a clear from angles but NONE of your examples DONT even HAVE a good angle to determine it "sometimes its not there", when THATS COMPLETELY WRONG.

MENTION THIS, AS AN COUNTER ARGUMENT, CAN base on the sides to where MADARA GOT BLTIZ.
1. Muu was in front of Madara, got blitz
2. Madara gets blitz next, we SEE NOT ONLY THE ANGLE OF HIS BODY TO WHICH I PERFECTLY arrowed them OUT, BUT the side of THE VIEW of SUSANOO's 2nd(back face shape) BEING SHOWN.

So once again. Drop this point. You are wrong. Arguing further only makes you look bad, not me.

Ya right continuously arguing against you is clearly making me look bad, since it looks like im arguing against a wall.

Dodge? Lol. Who said he'd dodge? He doesn't need to dodge, he only needs to block with Mokuton, hence clapping his hands. Entering Sage Mode is instant for Hashirama. Unless Minato's blitz is instant or nigh instant.....Lol. You have no point there either.

Concession accepted then as I only wanted to prove Hasirama is not dodging KCM Minato blitz. And in no where will Mokuton being faster then Minato's blitz.

Do I have to get pics of a dumbfounded expression? What Madara had isn't a dumbfounded expression.

Dont need it since Im pretty sure our face expression can differ. My dumbfound face is express less. Madara didn't anticipate it which is why he got his own panel time after the hit. Case and Point.

 

[Demonic.]

And i don't think you know the concept of quantity surpassing quality. A can give 3times better a boost to someone than B under normal means, but if you take the same quantity of B, 4times, it gives you a stronger boost than one quantity of A.

Your little formula doesn't mean shit when you don't even know how much Kyubi chakra it would take to match Rikudo chakra, or if it even can.

Seeing as how with Rikudo chakra Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi were able to compete with Juubi jins, who posses the power of the 9 Biju combined, it's a bit retarded to say the power of 1 Biju could possibly match Rikudo chakra, when the latter matched the power of 9 Biju.

 

[KidGamer65]

So everything agreeable terms that base on Kurama boost of base being KCM Minato>KCM Naruto>Ay still isn't a good.

Nope. Cause you can't prove that Minato is fast enough to blitz him.

Lol gawd I can't. Your desperately trying so hard right now its not even funny. KG, STOP being so FREAKING DENSE. It is VERY CLEAR that Madara's Susanoo has Two heads and BOTH side HEADS have different FIGURES.[

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] WE CAN determine the Figures of their HEADS to DETERMINE if ONE IS THE BACK side OR the main SIDE Madara faces. WE KNOW the SINGLE HORN thats pointed forward Towards the HEAD IS the HEAD WE KNOW, OR SHOULD KNOW, THAT THIS is his BACK SIDE of complete Susanoo. PERIOD. MADARA's Susanoo head thats point backwards is the side HE USES that faces HIS VIEW. PERIOD.

The caps, combined with your terrible English makes it hard to understand the shit in this paragraph, but I'm seeing no counters. When you can show me the second head on Madara's Susanoo in that scuffle, we can talk. Until then, stop posting, you only make yourself look like even bigger of a retard than I took you for.

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EjBlack, stop being dumb. It's getting on my nerves. If there was any kind of head behind Susanoo's front head, you'd see parts of it jutting out, but no, you don't see shit because there isn't shit there. And then there's this, which you've ignored twice now.

Then there's the fact that Susanoo's arms are extending backward, meaning it got hit in the back. If it got hit in the front, it's arms would be extending forward

Pull your head out of your ass and read the manga. If Susanoo was hit from the front, it's arms would have moved in the other direction. Then there's the fact that Susanoo's unarmed hands were shown to be jutting out in the front, while the arms that held the swords were closer to the rear.

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And when Ay hit Susanoo, he is closer to the swords in the rear...meaning he hit Madara from the rear.

The HEAD Figures ARE NOT ONLY shaped in a way to not see a clear from angles but NONE of your examples DONT even HAVE a good angle to determine it "sometimes its not there", when THATS COMPLETELY WRONG.

Actually it does. The only reason you are saying this is because it's not there, so you are trying to blame it on the angle, even though if there was a head on the back, a tilted angle would let us see it.

MENTION THIS, AS AN COUNTER ARGUMENT, CAN base on the sides to where MADARA GOT BLTIZ.
1. Muu was in front of Madara, got blitz
2. Madara gets blitz next, we SEE NOT ONLY THE ANGLE OF HIS BODY TO WHICH I PERFECTLY arrowed them OUT, BUT the side of THE VIEW of SUSANOO's 2nd(back face shape) BEING SHOWN.

Because Madara turned around. I suggese we read the manga, and no, Susanoo's second face isn't being shown there, at all.

Concession accepted then as I only wanted to prove Hasirama is not dodging KCM Minato blitz. And in no where will Mokuton being faster then Minato's blitz.

I have no reason to believe that Minato can blitz Hashirama before Mokuton can sprout, not when he called Hobi a split second before the Bijuu Dama right in front of him exploded. Nice try though.

Dont need it since Im pretty sure our face expression can differ. My dumbfound face is express less. Madara didn't anticipate it which is why he got his own panel time after the hit. Case and Point.

Madara turned around, as the manga shows. Case and point.

 

[Zexion~]

How do you expect these two to beat Hashirama without Hidan's help? I just don't see it U_U

 

[Bogard]

Your little formula doesn't mean shit when you don't even know how much Kyubi chakra it would take to match Rikudo chakra, or if it even can.

Seeing as how with Rikudo chakra Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi were able to compete with Juubi jins, who posses the power of the 9 Biju combined, it's a bit retarded to say the power of 1 Biju could possibly match Rikudo chakra, when the latter matched the power of 9 Biju.

1- Kyubi's chakra can easily match or surpass the quantity of chakra of even 9Bijus. It all depends on the quantity of chakra you take from the 9Bijus compared to the one you take from Kyubi only. If you take only a small portion from each, it won't match the entirety of Kyubi's chakra. It's common sense. We know for a fact Obito only took a little bit of Madara Jins chakra, the latter even saying what it took was relatively small/weak.

2- Half Kyubi matched the full power of 5Bijus combined. Kyubi's power alone is vastly greater than the rest of the Bijus. Even Hachibi(a fellow Biju) admitted Kyubi's power was unreal. So Kyubi's chakra alone takes a major part in Jubi's chakra(when talking entirely)

3- BM Minato and Naruto themselves were competing with Jubi Jin Obito in power, almost breaking his gudodama shield with a Rasengan alone(so let alone Bijudamas), so it doesn't mean much

 

[KidGamer65]

3- BM Minato and Naruto themselves were competing with Jubi Jin Obito in power, almost breaking his gudodama shield with a Rasengan alone(so let alone Bijudamas), so it doesn't mean much

Smh.......

 

[Bogard]

Smh.......

Chakra arms blocked

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Being pressured

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With inability to push each other(strength-wise)

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How do you call this if they weren't matching him in strength/power?

 

[KidGamer65]

^ Yeah, in one skirmish, clearly not anything that represents overall power. It also doesn't help your case that he used one Gudo Dama to block that Rasengan instead of multiple.

 

[Bogard]

^ Yeah, in one skirmish, clearly not anything that represents overall power. It also doesn't help your case that he used one Gudo Dama to block that Rasengan instead of multiple.

What if it was one? It was the sole confrontation they had in Biju mode status and it ended in a stalemate. What if it was only one gudodama? I was comparing them power/strength-wise and power/strength-wise, the number of gudodamas don't matter, only the physical strength to support the attack(rasengan/gudodama) does and like i've said, they were evenly matched and by that i mean they were exerting the exact amount of strength within their attacks enough for both side to be pushed back several feet away after the impact

Also, they weren't using their full power to boot considering they were about to finish it with a combined Bijudama

 

[Demonic.]

1- Kyubi's chakra can easily match or surpass the quantity of chakra of even 9Bijus. It all depends on the quantity of chakra you take from the 9Bijus compared to the one you take from Kyubi only. If you take only a small portion from each, it won't match the entirety of Kyubi's chakra. It's common sense. We know for a fact Obito only took a little bit of Madara Jins chakra, the latter even saying what it took was relatively small/weak.

2- Half Kyubi matched the full power of 5Bijus combined. Kyubi's power alone is vastly greater than the rest of the Bijus. Even Hachibi(a fellow Biju) admitted Kyubi's power was unreal. So Kyubi's chakra alone takes a major part in Jubi's chakra(when talking entirely)

Kurama’s own words:

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Obviously Kurama was the strongest, but when the rest of the Biju were combined to form the Juubi, that obviously ceased to be the case. It was unmatched by Kurama's own admission. This is pretty obvious stuff here.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You got me stressed brah. I dont have much will power to try to break this wall (expression about you head and thought process) of yours. I'll do my best, Im here to help KG, im fighting for you. Imma focused on one point right now:

The caps, combined with your terrible English makes it hard to understand the shit in this paragraph, but I'm seeing no counters. When you can show me the second head on Madara's Susanoo in that scuffle, we can talk. Until then, stop posting, you only make yourself look like even bigger of a retard than I took you for.

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-Madara complete Susanoo heads have faces back-to-back. They both have distinct faces.

-The one Madara that faces Madara's direction has elongated "canine teeth" in its lower jaw bracket and two tusks growing from said jaw.

-The while the back face has similarly elongated canine teeth in its upper jaw bracket and a single horn protruding from its forehead.

-Flipping back to the front-side, the part thats a horn from the back space, makes it look like he has a slanted cone head.

-Both have different faces too, if this helps.

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<- This scan, camera viewing southwest, is not angled enough to see eyes in the back of the head. And that face I describe is clear that its the frontal view of Susanoo's face. Much like how YOU, yourself will never see the back of my head from that angle. (Just wait for it) But later on, after Ay blitz, you will see the, which the back face has elongated canine teeth in its upper jaw bracket and a single horn protruding from its forehead (Just wait for it).

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<-- This scan. Is a left hand correct that you circled, correct? Left hand grips the sword the wrong way/backwards.

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Madara activates a second sword on his right hand. Hand location grips the sword on the correct way.

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Look carefully at the face shape of Madara Susanoo frontal view. Its the same elongated "canine teeth" in its lower jaw bracket and two tusks growing from said jaw. And the Slant cone head.

Then the blitz scene:

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Shows:

- back face has similarly elongated canine teeth in its upper jaw bracket and a single horn protruding from its forehead.
- Which is why the left hand from the front now his looks like the proper grip of the sword from his right.

Right hand Susanoo always carries the proper gripping.

I tried my best and if this doesn't get through to you, then I'm done.

 

[KidGamer65]

Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm not gonna bother replying. Waste of my time.

 

[Bogard]

Kurama’s own words:

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Obviously Kurama was the strongest, but when the rest of the Biju were combined to form the Juubi, that obviously ceased to be the case. It was unmatched by Kurama's own admission. This is pretty obvious stuff here.

Yet same Kurama said this

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He clearly said that if the Jubi only had pieces of Hachibi's, his own as well as the entirety of all the other Bijus, he stands a chance because of his particular strong chakra even compared to other Bijus

Later on, he said they stood no chance without his chakra

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And both times we're talking about half of Kyubi's only

Remember that earlier in the manga it was also stated Kyubi's chakra was infinite or something like this(unless it was in the anime). Either way i think it's pretty obvious Kurama still thought the fact it was incomplete made them stand a chance

 

[Ken Masters]

that prick kid gamer ran away once again. bogard systematically owned all wood-riders. although i did too but somehow my post was ignored Lol

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Minato solos himself , his body isn't strong enough to have a cloak alive.

You realise the edo bodies are weaker than the originals? And they just have infinite STAMINA, not STRENGTH?


You should have stayed in the kitchen, femme. :^)