[VS] Gai VS MS Sasuke

[Beans2]

Gai's Hirudora is only a super fast punch, doesn't mean that the punch is from his physical ability. Gai didn't even have enough strength to stand on his own two feet let alone use a Hirudora strong enough to blow open V3 Susanoo w/ his physical strength alone. The air pressure isn't created by the punch, it is the punch. The air pressure is created by Gai's hand signs, as shown in the manga, not his physical strength.

So no, Kurama's chakra cannot make Hirudora stronger.

Lol what about this is so hard for you to understand? Hirudora = a taijutsu. Hirudora = a punch. Stronger punch = stronger hirudora. Kyubi cloak enhances taijutsu and hirudora is a taijutsu (stronger punch = stronger hirudora) so cloaked gai can perform a stronger hirudora than non-cloaked gai. What is this about a punch not being related to physical ability?

That is exactly what it does. Asa Kujaku is irrelevant to the core point, that Gai used one Hirudora and was in good condition, and was able to use Hirudora in a severely weakened state. Nothing about Asa Kujaku or any other gates or chakra point limiters have any thing to do with this point when I'm not comparing Gai's 7th Gate feats to any other feats

Yes, Hirudora is portrayed to be far stronger of a technique, and the 7th Gate is portrayed to be a FAR stronger gate, so it'd more or less balance out in the end, and then there's the fact that he has the stamina to use it again, there is literally no real reason I'm seeing from you guys, that'd lead me to believe Gai can't use another one.

If he cancels Susanoo, between the moment he cancels it and the moment he puts it back up, Gai would blitz the living hell out of him, and obliterate him with his fists. Not to mention MS Sasuke doesn't have the stamina to keep putting up a V4 Susanoo, not when he still has MS strain to deal with.

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Gai would slap Aoda around without Hirudora, he just wouldn't necessarily one shot it. So unless Sasuke is going to hide in there for the rest of the match....there is no issue. Not to mention summons have a time limit. All Gai needs to do is smack Aoda around and wait for him to vanish.


Sasuke would have to break through the ground if he wanted to try and attack from below, and that'd give Gai more than enough time to notice him, and evade his attack, whether in the 6th or 7th Gate. If Sasuke uses Amaterasu, he'll probably have to use the 7th Gate to evade, but that'd drop Susanoo, meaning Gai evades the attack and then kills the defenseless Sasuke.


Also, Gai can switch between Gates Mode and Base, and other levels of the Gates in a split second. Vs. Kisame he did it. Vs. The Edo Jins he did. The scans have been posted I believe, but I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.



5th Gate, or even 6th Gate is all he needs to handle Aoda, while lasting long enough to outlast the summon.

Gai uses Hirudora on V4 Susanoo, it blows off the armour. Sasuke summons Aoda and goes inside the mouth, who will take the damage of Gai's next attack. Sasuke recuperates from the first Hirudora, then puts up V4 again and de-summons Manda. Gai's next Hirudora would be tanked again by Susanoo even if it takes heavy damage. Gai's probably reached his Hirudora limit now, even though Sasuke would be near exhaustion also. So the battle would de-escalate from there.

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He was still in the 7th Gate.



And why would he? Even then, using it multiple times=/=using it back to back.

K. Still not sure about Gai using two Hirudoras in quick succession even if he can use it multiple times in 7th gate.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol what about this is so hard for you to understand? Hirudora = a taijutsu. Hirudora = a punch. Stronger punch = stronger hirudora. Kyubi cloak enhances taijutsu and hirudora is a taijutsu (stronger punch = stronger hirudora) so cloaked gai can perform a stronger hirudora than non-cloaked gai. What is this about a punch not being related to physical ability?

I literally just explained it to you. Repeating the same exact countered point, and taking things out of context isn't helping your case. Hirudora is a punch, but it's not a punch in the sense that Gai is the one doing the punching. How hard is that for you and unorthodox to understand? In fact, go show me Gai making any physical movement even close to a punch and then we can talk about Hirudora being nothing but Gai punching really fast. That doesn't make one shred of sense considering he's never made a punching movement when he made Hirudora.

Once again. Hirudora's strength correlating with Gai's physical strength is absolute nonsense when we look at him obliterate V3 Susanoo despite he himself not being able to stand on his own two feet. Are you going to tell me that Gai, who can't stand, has the physical power to bust Susanoo?

So no, Gai's Hirudora is not going to be any stronger. All you are doing is looking at the words without understanding what they mean.

Hirudora being a super fast punch=/=Hirudora being a super fast punch thrown by Gai's physical fists.

Gai uses Hirudora on V4 Susanoo, it blows off the armour.

Uh-huh.

Sasuke summons Aoda and goes inside the mouth, who will take the damage of Gai's next attack

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Ok.

Sasuke recuperates from the first Hirudora, then puts up V4 again and de-summons Manda.

Ok.

Gai's next Hirudora would be tanked again by Susanoo even if it takes heavy damage. Gai's probably reached his Hirudora limit now, even though Sasuke would be near exhaustion also. So the battle would de-escalate from there.

Who told you that two is his limit? He used one, and felt no kind of fatigue afterwards, as multiple scans have shown. He was in a state where he couldn't stand and still used Hirudora, which shouldn't be possible if Hirudora was as straining as you guys are claiming it is.

K. Still not sure about Gai using two Hirudoras in quick succession even if he can use it multiple times in 7th gate.

Still not seeing why it's impossible, or even unlikely.

 

[Haizaki]

I don't think Kyuubi cloak enhances AT. Morning peacock is also a Taijutsu move in which its punches create flames from sheer speed and friction..Are you telling me the Kyuubi cloak would make it stronger because of Gai's physical strength and speed being enhanced?

AT is formed via a punch creating a massive amount of air pressure which then explodes the built up pressure. So you're saying Kyuubi cloak now factors in a stronger air pressure tbh? I don't see your point here. Gai's physical strength being enhanced=/= Built up pressure being enhanced. If it was techniques that require Gai physically touching them directly, then you'd have a point.

Lastly, Gai never had a Kyuubi cloak...it's fanfic. Oh yeah, MS Sasuke doesn't have Aoda..Unless you can tell me when the contract was made. Even if he did, he gets caught up in AT. If you're trying to say Sasuke goes into Aoda's mouth despite having sharp objects(Arrow/Blade) that's funny because Gai can dance around in his Base till the summoning time expires. He then opens the gate again but doesn't need to worry this time since the Heal Gate would extremely recover him

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as his stamina is forcibly increased and he'd be able to fight Sasuke who's Susanoo might have been greatly damaged. There's the fact that Sasuke can't even hold up V4 for long. Madara's V3 is stronger than Sasuke's V3 so his V4 shouldn't be too far off from Madara's V3..Multiple AT destroys it as you you saw with how Ay's chop destroyed a Ribcage that took Liger Bomb...This was due to the fact that it was weakened.

 

[Beans2]

I literally just explained it to you. Repeating the same exact countered point, and taking things out of context isn't helping your case. Hirudora is a punch, but it's not a punch in the sense that Gai is the one doing the punching. How hard is that for you and unorthodox to understand? In fact, go show me Gai making any physical movement even close to a punch and then we can talk about Hirudora being nothing but Gai punching really fast. That doesn't make one shred of sense considering he's never made a punching movement when he made Hirudora.

Once again. Hirudora's strength correlating with Gai's physical strength is absolute nonsense when we look at him obliterate V3 Susanoo despite he himself not being able to stand on his own two feet. Are you going to tell me that Gai, who can't stand, has the physical power to bust Susanoo?

So no, Gai's Hirudora is not going to be any stronger. All you are doing is looking at the words without understanding what they mean.

Hirudora being a super fast punch=/=Hirudora being a super fast punch thrown by Gai's physical fists.

Punch focuses massive amount of air pressure into a single point.

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Gai focuses the air pressure with the "punch"

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Then it explodes.

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A faster, more powerful punch means that more air pressure is concentrated at that point? Right? So then "it explodes the built up pressure in an instant". More air pressure built up in one spot = more powerful explosion when released. This is what I am trying to say. If you already answered this then you're not making yourself clear because i don't understand how it doesnt make sense that a stronger "punch" wouldn't build up more air pressure than a weaker punch.

Not that any of this is actually relevant to the match up at hand.

Uh-huh.

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Ok.


Ok.



Who told you that two is his limit? He used one, and felt no kind of fatigue afterwards, as multiple scans have shown. He was in a state where he couldn't stand and still used Hirudora, which shouldn't be possible if Hirudora was as straining as you guys are claiming it is.



Still not seeing why it's impossible, or even unlikely.

I dont use this term often but that genuinely sounds like a no limits fallacy. I'll just agree because you sound convinced that you're right.

 

[Unorthodox]

Rep plus.

Can't believe people think 7 gates and Hirudora can be spammed.

Iv been saying this since page 1 but we have constant fools keep trying to disagree what the manga has shown or portrayed.

Lmao, why are people even bringing up multiple Hirudora, the mere notion of it is ridiculous. At least using it back to back, quickly enough to finish Sasuke.
Gai loses, and he isn't breaching v4. Nor is he surviving being hit by a concentrated Amaterasu.

Another smart one i have yet to add Manda to the argument also He still didnt counter my enton/amaterasu argument

Lol... dude I'm not even going to argue with you. Post the scan that doesn't exist showcasing Gai receiving the Kyubi chakra. That's all I'm going to say. I'd encourage you and your freinds to read the manga. Please, please, please read the manga and understand what you're talking about instead of making shit up.

Sigh trying to sound cool i laugh every time you post because your such a joke i never ever said gai used hirudora when he had a kurama cloak what i was saying is kurama said when he came in contact with kakashi before when naruto first turned to bm or when he saved kakashi some of his chakra even though there was no cloak still boosted Kakashi's chakra enough for him to warp Gyuki i was aplying that to the gai hirudora and susanoo thing. You need to re read my post before posting because most of the bs you posted was out of context anyways.

And for the record, Cavs aren't winning the 2015 championship. Lmao.

I Smiled at this just tell me who your team is and i bet the cavs have or is going to blow them out #NotevenArealFan

Lool, what? I didn't even notice that shit he posted right there. His inability to read the manga is killing me.

Yes because your always right i read you counter every argument you through at me son your just not ready and i told you this many times.

Dude needs to read the Manga properly..Too jokes.

Lol most are too shocked and think he's overrated despite feats thoroughly disagreeing with them...Honestly not bothered them. We use FACTS while they just whine and whine all over the place.

Yeah it's very evident that a lot of people are either clueless or just want to downplay him...Honestly not bothered with these people.

@thebold Please put a name on it.

I just wanna cry everytime i see a post from you because i always know your going to ride Kids thang no matter what he says. I remember a thread where you said Gai > Rinne Sauce we went back in forth on this topic kidgamer said 1 thing then you just yea i geuss sasuke wins thats when i looked at you sideways and iv been looking at you like that every since your a joke a follower get your own opinion.

 

[Haizaki]

Iv been saying this since page 1 but we have constant fools keep trying to disagree what the manga has shown or portrayed.



Another smart one i have yet to add Manda to the argument also He still didnt counter my enton/amaterasu argument



Sigh trying to sound cool i laugh every time you post because your such a joke i never ever said gai used hirudora when he had a kurama cloak what i was saying is kurama said when he came in contact with kakashi before when naruto first turned to bm or when he saved kakashi some of his chakra even though there was no cloak still boosted Kakashi's chakra enough for him to warp Gyuki i was aplying that to the gai hirudora and susanoo thing. You need to re read my post before posting because most of the bs you posted was out of context anyways.



I Smiled at this just tell me who your team is and i bet the cavs have or is going to blow them out #NotevenArealFan




Yes because your always right i read you counter every argument you through at me son your just not ready and i told you this many times.



@thebold Please put a name on it.

I just wanna cry everytime i see a post from you because i always know your going to ride Kids thang no matter what he says. I remember a thread where you said Gai > Rinne Sauce we went back in forth on this topic kidgamer said 1 thing then you just yea i geuss sasuke wins thats when i looked at you sideways and iv been looking at you like that every since your a joke a follower get your own opinion.

Lol am I supposed to care about you retarded opinions? Lol you can cry when you see me post but it's factual I've embarrassed you in an official debate and casual debates several times. So shut up about following Kidgamer when I didn't need his help to do so.

Go and read the frikin Manga and stop embarrassing yourself pal...I seriously feel bad for telling Draphsin off when he was saying you're truly an idiot.

 

[Chazzi]

Sasuke rekts this overrated clown.

 

[KidGamer65]

Punch focuses massive amount of air pressure into a single point.

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Gai focuses the air pressure with the "punch"

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Then it explodes.

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Which doesn't mean Gai is the one actually making said punch, I can't make it any clearer than I already have. You are only repeating stuff without actually replying to anything I said, cause I have covered at this.

A faster, more powerful punch means that more air pressure is concentrated at that point? Right? So then "it explodes the built up pressure in an instant". More air pressure built up in one spot = more powerful explosion when released. This is what I am trying to say. If you already answered this then you're not making yourself clear because i don't understand how it doesnt make sense that a stronger "punch" wouldn't build up more air pressure than a weaker punch.

Yes, a stronger "punch" would have more air pressure, but Gai isn't building the air pressure with a punch, as the manga clearly shows, nor is he launching it with a punch. The technique itself can be considered a punch due to how it works. You even posted the scans, I don't know why this debate is any longer than it should be. Gai made hand signs to form Hirudora, not a super fast punch. The jutsu itself is a punch, doesn't mean that it's because of Gai's physical punch or his physical prowess, and then there's the rest that you blatantly ignored.

Once again. Hirudora's strength correlating with Gai's physical strength is absolute nonsense when we look at him obliterate V3 Susanoo despite he himself not being able to stand on his own two feet. Are you going to tell me that Gai, who can't stand, has the physical power to bust Susanoo?

Are we saying that Gai has the physical power to bust Susanoo when he can't even stand? I hope not.

I dont use this term often but that genuinely sounds like a no limits fallacy. I'll just agree because you sound convinced that you're right.

Yeah, it's missing one thing. The part where I'm implying no limits. Lol Gai being able to use Hirudora more than once=/=Gai being able to use it a multiple amount of times. Gai using 2 Hirudora=/=Gai using an infinite amount while in the 7th Gate. I suggest you research the No Limits Fallacy first. If you agree, it should be because I see no counter argument, not because of how sure of myself I seem. Maybe I wouldn't be so sure of myself if you or anyone actually posted a legit reason as to why more than one aren't usable, instead of saying I'm using a logical fallacy, that I'm not actually using.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes because your always right i read you counter every argument you through at me son your just not ready and i told you this many times.

You're a joke. Every time I school you, you say the bold. I suggest we stop talking shit and start posting real arguments. You've already displayed your poor reading comprehension abilities though, no need for me to even attempt to take you seriously at this point.

that image is irrelevant since this how gai looked after about 20 chapters of him doing nothing relevant and had a double kurama cloak on

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Gai was a fresh as he's been the hole war in the manga scan

This post is all I need, because it shows that you are so intent on proving your statements right, that you've resorted to petty attempts at rewriting canon.

 

[Haizaki]

^^Dude would say "Evani you want to ride KG again" Always riding when he usually doesn't have anything relevant to say.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol, right. I've stopped taking him seriously, at least not completely. Every time he replies to me he's usually spouting some BS.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Amaterasu sheild solos

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Lol, this thread was rather amusing.

 

[Draegod]

Y'all are really making it more then what it is with all this useless back and forth convos that no one will agree on. Lol

 

[Xlad]

Okay. I found this thread quite interesting.

 

[V h o]

I'm actually quite confused as why War arc Guy's health is being used constantly as if he was healthy, when Gai was just fine after kisame's fight and still maintained gates to attack Kisame..

 

[Unorthodox]

Lol am I supposed to care about you retarded opinions? Lol you can cry when you see me post but it's factual I've embarrassed you in an official debate and casual debates several times. So shut up about following Kidgamer when I didn't need his help to do so.
Go and read the frikin Manga and stop embarrassing yourself pal...I seriously feel bad for telling Draphsin off when he was saying you're truly an idiot.

Never happened we only debated once an a official debate it was a double debate and me and jimmies failed with communication 1 on 1 it would not have been even close. Never lost to you in a formal debate either this what usually happens i be owning you yet you manage to somehow disagree with everything i said then comes kidgamer he repeats exactly what i say then you say yea i agree thats what i mean about you being a follower not having your own opinion or is it you who cant accept your defeat in my hands i think its both. Iv read the manga you why are you telling me that i was not even debating with you you replied to me on some bs about he's stupid you dodge me in every vs section we disagree on your funny. Im at lost with words about the draphsin thing really i mean he's so bad to the point where he is only seen in obito vs threads you claim you feel sorry yet your one of my fans i found that funny af.

You're a joke. Every time I school you, you say the bold. I suggest we stop talking shit and start posting real arguments. You've already displayed your poor reading comprehension abilities though, no need for me to even attempt to take you seriously at this point.

You never school anything iv posted all my argument i just found it no need to keep debating with you i literally went like 3 pages with you in a debate about Ps vs Mokujin you denied every thing i posted with these exact reasons reading comprehension tell me what did i not read thoroughly or what i took out of context i bet you cant because you use these same arguments instead of conceeding you cry about my reading skills less talk more manga scans to support your stupid claims. you also say that no need to take you serious then why are you replying?

This post is all I need, because it shows that you are so intent on proving your statements right, that you've resorted to petty attempts at rewriting canon.

Prime example you cant counter so you say things like this what in this post was wrong considering gai himself did not do anything the whole Juubito or Madara's return arc but sit in a kurama cloak how would he not be refreshed with all that time he had doing nothing like i said you cant counter so you use insults. Please tell me what (Resorting to petty attempts of rewriting canon) means because all i see you cant deny whats in your face no longer so you just use insults or stupid word play to try to make yourself look good.

^^Dude would say "Evani you want to ride KG again" Always riding when he usually doesn't have anything relevant to say.

Yet you had free will to reply to anything i said concerning my points to why sasuke wins yet you didnt and im the one who has nothing relevant to say your the biggest clown ever with these arguments.

Lol, right. I've stopped taking him seriously

Then why do you reply to everything i post? iv stopped taking you serious excuse has gotten old especially when your action say otherwise.

 

[KidGamer65]

You never school anything iv posted all my argument i just found it no need to keep debating with you i literally went like 3 pages with you in a debate about Ps vs Mokujin you denied every thing i posted with these exact reasons reading comprehension tell me what did i not read thoroughly or what i took out of context i bet you cant because you use these same arguments instead of conceeding you cry about my reading skills less talk more manga scans to support your stupid claims. you also say that no need to take you serious then why are you replying?

All this is a nice way to deny the past and all, but, every time we argue, facts are on my side, not yours. Anyone with an unbiased mind knows that.

Cry more about my inability to read the manga when you can actually reply to my post.

Prime example you cant counter so you say things like this what in this post was wrong considering gai himself did not do anything the whole Juubito or Madara's return arc but sit in a kurama cloak how would he not be refreshed with all that time he had doing nothing like i said you cant counter so you use insults. Please tell me what (Resorting to petty attempts of rewriting canon) means because all i see you cant deny whats in your face no longer so you just use insults or stupid word play to try to make yourself look good.

Don't bother bringing points I've already replied to, it only makes you look dumb.

Should I show you Gai's condition eariler? 2 chapters earlier?

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Yup, fresh as ever amirite?

Then why do you reply to everything i post? iv stopped taking you serious excuse has gotten old especially when your action say otherwise.

Me replying to your nonsense is only me killing time. I already know going in that you are mainly going to spout bullshit.

And dude, you replied to me first, so I answered. Lol

Lol, clown ass.

 

[King Of Pop]

you guys need to take chill pill, its not that serious.

 

[Unorthodox]

All this is a nice way to deny the past and all, but, every time we argue, facts are on my side, not yours. Anyone with an unbiased mind knows that.
Cry more about my inability to read the manga when you can actually reply to my post.

O im not arguing with you just debating dont get its twisted my child. My mind is unbiased Sasuke is my favorite character true but i know who he can and cannot defeat. Still waiting for you to tell me where i reed your post wrong and what i took out of context..........

Don't bother bringing points I've already replied to, it only makes you look dumb.
Should I show you Gai's condition eariler? 2 chapters earlier?

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Yup, fresh as ever amirite?

Yet in his base he was still able to intercept Goududamas witch we're fast enough to stop obito's full body warp (Making that his greatest base speed feat) Consistencies hmmmmm :erm:

Me replying to your nonsense is only me killing time. I already know going in that you are mainly going to spout bullshit.
And dude, you replied to me first, so I answered. Lol
Lol, clown ass.

If you know what im going to say is bullshit ill ask you again why must you reply? i never denied replying to you first when i said that i was talking about evani. (Clown ass) thats rude lets stick to the manga no need to catch feeling over a debate you could not win anyways.