How did you know that Madara's reflexes were not good enough before?
The scan when Tobirama attacked did NOT even show his SM, but rather the Rinnegan. Lol
and EVEN then, Tobirama still managed to teleport above him. We do not know what happened there. For all we know, he could have used the Limbo again to protect himself. no? Lol
and since Hashirama lack such abilities, you can't say he will survive against a superior FTG user, with abilities that Madara has while Hashirama does NOT.
The fail is that you not able to counter anything.
Yes minato can make 100 clone. Any kage level can make 100 clone. Only fool like you not understnad that. Lemmie go textbook for you:
Multiple Shadow Clones Technique (多重影分身の術, Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, A-rank, Supplementary
Users: Uzumaki Naruto, Hatake Kakashi, et al
That shadow... wiping out the enemy by becoming a thousand warriors!!
[picture of the masses of clones Naruto summoned during his fight with Mizuki]
[Naruto's clones starting their attack]
↑←Ever since he first used it to defeat Mizuki, the "Shadow Clone Technique" became one of Naruto's most frequently used ninjutsu.
A technique developed from the "Shadow Clone," a ninjutsu that creates clones with actual substance. Countless Shadow Clones... The exact number depends on the amount of chakra used, but in any case the amount of. chakra consumed is far too great. For this reason, no ninja below Hokage, save for a limited few, can use this technique without risking their life. For that reason, the Shodai Hokage sealed this technique inside the Scroll of Seals* as a forbidden move. The reason Naruto was able to learn this technique was his amazing stamina.
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I highlight key part for you:
- kakashi = low stamina = can still use kage bunshin (mianto have more chakra than kakashi, way more)
- only kage level shinobi use jutsu = minato kage level
12 years of age naruto use this jutsu with only his chakra, not even kyubi chakra. Yet 12 year old naruto cannot summon bunta with own chakra, needed kyubi chakra. Minato summon gamabunta with ease. If 12 year old naruto summin many clones, hokage minato also summon many clones.
Tajuu kage bunshin = how much chakra user put into jutsu. Nothing to do of skill. If you know kage bunshin, you know tajuu kage bunshin. If you having big chakra, you can use tajuu kage bunshin. Im not idiot like you, i not need see everything confirm in manga to know something can be done. I dont need to see minato summon every toad to know he can summon sage toad. And i not need to see bijuu minato use hiraishin to know he can teleport whili in bijuu mode. Your retardedness to say bijuu minato cannot use hiraishin jist shows how stupid you are
How did you know that Madara's reflexes were not good enough before?
The scan when Tobirama attacked did NOT even show his SM, but rather the Rinnegan. Lol
So? You're telling me because the panel showed Madara's face instead of his boob, Madara didn't use SM to react to FTG? Do you know how retarded you sound?
What reaction improvement does Rinnegan grant? None. Lmao.
and EVEN then, Tobirama still managed to teleport above him. We do not know what happened there. For all we know, he could have used the Limbo again to protect himself. no? Lol
But we do know what happened the first time, and you still say Madara reacted to FTG because of his Rinnegan when it's blatantly obvious it was Sage Mode.
and since Hashirama lack such abilities, you can't say he will survive against a superior FTG user, with abilities that Madara has while Hashirama does NOT.
Hashirama and Madara are on par evidenced by the fact Hashirama kept up with Madara in CQC
Minato's FTG Level 2 being a higher rank than Tobiramas doesn't mean his FTG is faster. The ranking system is based on how hard a technique is to execute.
The fail is that you not able to counter anything.
Yes minato can make 100 clone. Any kage level can make 100 clone. Only fool like you not understnad that. Lemmie go textbook for you:
Multiple Shadow Clones Technique (多重影分身の術, Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, A-rank, Supplementary
Users: Uzumaki Naruto, Hatake Kakashi, et al
That shadow... wiping out the enemy by becoming a thousand warriors!!
[picture of the masses of clones Naruto summoned during his fight with Mizuki]
[Naruto's clones starting their attack]
↑←Ever since he first used it to defeat Mizuki, the "Shadow Clone Technique" became one of Naruto's most frequently used ninjutsu.
A technique developed from the "Shadow Clone," a ninjutsu that creates clones with actual substance. Countless Shadow Clones... The exact number depends on the amount of chakra used, but in any case the amount of. chakra consumed is far too great. For this reason, no ninja below Hokage, save for a limited few, can use this technique without risking their life. For that reason, the Shodai Hokage sealed this technique inside the Scroll of Seals* as a forbidden move. The reason Naruto was able to learn this technique was his amazing stamina.
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I highlight key part for you:
- kakashi = low stamina = can still use kage bunshin (mianto have more chakra than kakashi, way more)
- only kage level shinobi use jutsu = minato kage level
12 years of age naruto use this jutsu with only his chakra, not even kyubi chakra. Yet 12 year old naruto cannot summon bunta with own chakra, needed kyubi chakra. Minato summon gamabunta with ease. If 12 year old naruto summin many clones, hokage minato also summon many clones.
Tajuu kage bunshin = how much chakra user put into jutsu. Nothing to do of skill. If you know kage bunshin, you know tajuu kage bunshin. If you having big chakra, you can use tajuu kage bunshin. Im not idiot like you, i not need see everything confirm in manga to know something can be done. I dont need to see minato summon every toad to know he can summon sage toad. And i not need to see bijuu minato use hiraishin to know he can teleport whili in bijuu mode. Your retardedness to say bijuu minato cannot use hiraishin jist shows how stupid you are
Multiple KageBunshin was a forbidden ninjutsu because it divides the chakra of an individual in half for every clone that is made.
It was stated multiple times Naruto was the only one that could use multiple shadow clones to the extent that he could because of the Kyuubi.
So the fact that you think anyone can make 100 shadow clones just tells me that you are a complete idiot and a waste of time. This is basic stuff. Go re-read the manga because I'm not going to waste my time explaining basic, early principles from the manga to a retard like you.
Read this and cleanse your stupidity:
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And i not need to see bijuu minato use hiraishin to know he can teleport whili in bijuu mode. Your retardedness to say bijuu minato cannot use hiraishin jist shows how stupid you are
Lol. Are you a complete moron? I didn't say Minato cannot use FTG with his avatar I said Minato never did it in the manga, but it is common sense that he can. I said this to Ababeel to inform him things don't need to be stated in the manga - some things are obvious.
You keep insulting people calling them retarded when you're the one looking like a retard here. Not even going to mention your shitty grammar either.
It would be a draw without restrictions. Minato's only option to defeat Hashirama is RDS. And since it will kill him as well its a draw. Hashirama's SM counters Minato's every sneaky attacks with FTG. Minato could avoid Hashirama's mokuton for a while but he'll run out of juice. RDS is his only chance at this fight.
[=DemonSenju;18354209]So? You're telling me because the panel showed Madara's face instead of his boob, Madara didn't use SM to react to FTG? Do you know how retarded you sound?
What reaction improvement does Rinnegan grant? None. Lmao.
Pretty sure that MUCH less retarded that pretending that a thing the author did NOT focus on is the reason.
obviously the eyes make the movement better well. Just like how Madara hailed Sasuke for his movement because of the
EMS, and Rinnegan is even superior to that. Lol
But we do know what happened the first time, and you still say Madara reacted to FTG because of his Rinnegan when it's blatantly obvious it was Sage Mode.
Even IF, we go with what you said, that still does not prove anything.
1- Madara is superior to Hashirama.
2- The first reaction failed anyway.
3- Minato is superior to Tobirama.
Hashirama and Madara are on par evidenced by the fact Hashirama kept up with Madara in CQC
That Edo Madara my dear. RT Madara fodderstompped the sh!t out of Hashirama WITHOUT eyes OR SM. Lol
Minato's FTG Level 2 being a higher rank than Tobiramas doesn't mean his FTG is faster. The ranking system is based on how hard a technique is to execute.
Except it also stated that it's an evolved jutsu. LITERALLY, every time the FTG is mentioned, it also mentioned that Minato is superior and at a higher level than Tobirama. Every. Single. Time!
That is in addition to the gap of the shunshin speed that you seem to ignore as well. Lol
Hashirama wins surly since this is alive minato ,but I want to clearify something
Not because sm madara reacted to ftg and evaded tobirma's slash attack ,then sm hashirama can do the same ,that isnt true ,this version of madara has rikudo chakra which hashirama lacks to ,giving madara's feats to hashirama here makes no sense
As if Hashirama surpassed Hiruzen. XD
IIRC, Hiruzen defeated Hashirama by a CLONE! XD
and guess what? The coffin he was worry about is MINATO's coffin. XD
On the other hand, it's Minato who was saving Hiruzen, and the one who Hirizen wanted to deal
with the problems in the village like Oro's.
Pretty sure that MUCH less retarded that pretending that a thing the author did NOT focus on is the reason.
obviously the eyes make the movement better well. Just like how Madara hailed Sasuke for his movement because of the
EMS, and Rinnegan is even superior to that. Lol
Lol what? I don't know if you're serious. Sasuke's EMS had nothing to do with his speed....
Rinnegan Sasuke's has his S/T, but that's something Madara doesn't have.
Even IF, we go with what you said, that still does not prove anything.
1- Madara is superior to Hashirama.
2- The first reaction failed anyway.
3- Minato is superior to Tobirama.
I suggest you reread the chapter. Edo Madara had placed rods on Hashirama. Alive Madara activated the rods. It wasn't a fight at all.
Except it also stated that it's an evolved jutsu. LITERALLY, every time the FTG is mentioned, it also mentioned that Minato is superior and at a higher level than Tobirama. Every. Single. Time!
That is in addition to the gap of the shunshin speed that you seem to ignore as well. Lol
It was evolved in its application. Doesn't mean Minato's FTG speed is faster than Tobiramas. They are both instant. How can one instant be faster than another instant? You never explain that to me Lol
Yeah, those same rods that couldn't suppress even SM Naruto in Pain Arc. How sad. :erm:
It was evolved in its application. Doesn't mean Minato's FTG speed is faster than Tobiramas. They are both instant. How can one instant be faster than another instant? You never explain that to me Lol
As if Hashirama surpassed Hiruzen. XD
IIRC, Hiruzen defeated Hashirama by a CLONE! XD
and guess what? The coffin he was worry about is MINATO's coffin. XD
On the other hand, it's Minato who was saving Hiruzen, and the one who Hirizen wanted to deal
with the problems in the village like Oro's.
Ok now lets see you back up your claim, and lets see if what you said was right. You ready bro?
- Hiruzen never surpassed Hashirama. The dead don't surpass the living, the living are supposed to surpass the dead, which no kage until Naruto did. =]. And similarly, something your favorite Minato never even surpassed Hiruzen, someone who became known as a god of shinobi, only 1 of 3 people to ever hold that title.
- Hiruzen never fought Hashirama, if you are going to give me that crappy part 1 fight.. then idek why you are bothering to argue against Hashirama.... But hopefully this was a joke on your part. =p
- You say the coffin he was worried about was Minato's, while the manga shows the opposite.
Notice the fact Hiruzen had already started doing the hand seals to try to stop the coffins right when the first one appears. And then bam, the second one appears. Guess what? The only one that he had the time to stop was the third one, which he tried to do (but as we know Minato wasn't able to be properly summoned.) So where in this scan was he worried about Minato?? He simply tried to stop the only coffin he could stop..
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"of all people for him to summon those 2" ....... rofl, even freaking Hiruzen knows Tobirama and Hashirama's superiority to Minato.
No, he said a clone's ftg is slow. Not specifically his clones. Tobirama knows more about FTG mechanics than Minato, so if Tobirama says clones are slow in ftg.. then it applies to Minato's clones as well.
Before or after Kajukai Korin one shots? Oh wait....after, considering Minato won't start with a suicide move while Hashirama using one of his basic techniques isn't anything surprising. Also considering the fact that the Death Reaper isn't crossing 50m before Hashirama uses said jutsu.....we can forget about Shiki Fujin landing here, cause once the forest is up, Minato is done for, which means his jutsu is pointless.
But then again, aren't you the guy who thinks Minato can make 100 clones and still fight effectively? Lol.
Before or after Kajukai Korin one shots? Oh wait....after, considering Minato won't start with a suicide move while Hashirama using one of his basic techniques isn't anything surprising. Also considering the fact that the Death Reaper isn't crossing 50m before Hashirama uses said jutsu.....we can forget about Shiki Fujin landing here, cause once the forest is up, Minato is done for, which means his jutsu is pointless.
But then again, aren't you the guy who thinks Minato can make 100 clones and still fight effectively? Lol.
Lol, ffoder jutsu. Space time barrier suck all pollen up. Gamabunta teppodama destroy allt he flower. Teppodama which stalemate with shukaku wind vacuum which have enough force to tear apart of forest show you just how much force teppodama have. Utulise of gravity make teppodama even stronger. So if bunta jump and shoot from sky, not only pollen not reach minato, flower get desptryed easy. Minato shunshin also enough to get away from area just fune. You think minato just stand still and watch pollen, he not blind nor disabled, fastest ninja of time can outrun stupid pollen. Which not required because yatai yakuzushi destroy plants, teppodama destroy plants. Goemon destroy plants, space time barrier remove pollen, shunshin escape pollen. So many method to deal with fodder technique. Bunta powerful leaping is enough to escape it range, from there minato can use shiki fuin when hashirama have poor visibilty and hashi jever see it coming. Funny you think any of hashirama jutsu can easily catch minto speed, stop underestimating speed.
Once forest is up, minato telpeport away to distance marking or bunta leap him to safety. Useless forest not doing anything against minato speed. Minato can even teleport of the roots/stalk of trees to nother location, before pollen can spread, no problem.
If kakashi can make like 50 clone with 0 chakra left. Then yes of course minato can 100 clone fine. Databook already tell you it a kage level technique to use tajuu bunshin. 12 yr old naruto who cannot even summon bunta do it fine. So minato do it fine. You try say only naruto and kaksno capable of using tajuu kage bunshin im entire kanga. How stupid.
Minato wont start suicide move Lol shut up. Are you minato advisor, how would you know. If opponent is super strong then of course he can. You same person who put 8 gate guy in top 10.
