Scenario 1: Madara's clones can only use what they've showed in the manga Scenario 2: This is now KCM Naruto with the ability to use senjutsu simultaneously. In other words, this is KSCM Naruto. Madara's clones now have the ability to use YMs and katons. Scenario 3: Madara gets to use jukai koutan. Naruto has everything he had in scenario two. Scenario 4: Madara gets all mokuton techniques he's shown as an edo.
Location: Where Madara fought the 5 kages (
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Starting Distance: 30 m Restrictions: BM, Rikudo chakra, mokuton, Rinnegan techniques, PS, summoning jutsu. Conditions: Naruto is on friendly terms with Kurama.
--Naruto forms multiple KB and can bust each of the V3 susanoos with an FRS, if the madaras inside are still alive after their susanoos are busted, then naruto slams a rasengan on the clones and finishes them off, as the clones clearly do not have the speed to physically evade narutos attacks so they poofed,
--Bijuudama Rasengans (BDR) which were stated to be above FRS would also obliterate the susanoos with ease, with the next attack killing madara if he survives
--No rinnegan techniques for the clones = the clones not being able to prevent themselves from getting poofed,
and no mokuton = the clones not being able to pressure naruto into overusing his jutsus
--The V3 susanoos are not landing a single hit on naruto and his clones, not when even onoki managed to evade their blows and immobilise them with the weighted boulder jutsu, which is much much slower than all of narutos attacks
--naruto in KCM has the means to use FRS quite easily, so each of the susanoos are busted by it quite easily, or COFRS can also be used to take out 2-3 susanoos at a time, and naruto being on friendly termss with kurama means that he can only use his power more effectively
Scenario 2: Same as above, only the extra booost from SM just makes this much much easier, naruto would win this mid diff
Naruto made 13 kcm clones when he had less than half of yang kurama's chakra. EAch of naruto's kcm clones were able to
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. In this thread, he's friendly with kurama which means he gets yang kurama's full reserves, on top of the perk of kurama constantly repleneshing his chakra supply and makes 24 and they end madara's clones with guided rasenshurikens. Considering how much damage Sasuke's armored V3 took from
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madara's can't withstand more than one rasenshuriken. Worse comes to worse, they use bijuudama rasengan which is a level above the rasenshuriken considering the chakra quantity and the fact that naruto thought it had a chance of taking out sandaime raikage despite rasenhuriken having the elemental advantage yet still failing.
The susanoos are not hitting the clones before the clones land their nukes considering sandaime raikage couldn't dodge the guided rasenshuriken and the susanoos couldn't kill people like oonoki, mei, ei and were being hit by tsunade.
Finally, if naruto is somehow pushed really far, he could always summon bunta and take out all the clones with a chou oodama rasenshuriken.
Scenario 2: This is now KCM Naruto with the ability to use senjutsu simultaneously. In other words, this is KSCM Naruto. Madara's clones now have the ability to use YMs and katons.
Doesn't change anything other than wasting some of the naruto's KSCM chakra considering one of naruto's base clones had enough firepower to equal this technique.
Naruto's clones are so fodders that Kimimaro and Black Zetsu could play them around. Madara wins each scenario, with each of them being lower difficulty than the other.
Unless you want to argue that each of the clones were capable of using PS, then the power of the clone's katons would be drastically reduced in the same proportion.
1. Gaara has never even seen the rasenshuriken.
2. If Gaara has the option of letting the rasenshuriken go through susanoo and then hit madara, or take madara out of the susanoo what's the logical choice of action?
3. At best, gaara taking madara out implies that FRS wouldn't have been able to breach Madara's susanoo AND kill madara, which means madara's clones still get destroyed since kcm clones can fire multiple FRS.
4. Danzou's vastly inferior fuuton breached a more developed susanoo than Madara's, by feats FRS blows it apart
5. Even if for some inexplicable reason your arguments held true, naruto and his clones have access to oodama, chou oodama rasenshuriken and bijuu rasengan all of which are on another level of power than the rasenshuriken and far stronger than that level of susanoo's best durability feats/implications.
6. In scenarios 2-4, all of naruto's attacks get massively powered up since he combines KCM with SM, thus the manga instance of a SM rasenshuriken not being able to kill madara doesn't even apply.
it doesnt matter. the point that the author wants to get across is clear. in that instance gaara did know about rasenshuriken.
2. If Gaara has the option of letting the rasenshuriken go through susanoo and then hit madara, or take madara out of the susanoo what's the logical choice of action?
this does not disprove the manga saying that the attack would not work. whats so hard to understand?
3. At best, gaara taking madara out implies that FRS wouldn't have been able to breach Madara's susanoo AND kill madara, which means madara's clones still get destroyed since kcm clones can fire multiple FRS.
nonsense. you cant even prove that frs can breach susano. you are just arbitrarily assuming that it can.
if rasenshuriken breached madaras susano, that implies that the attack wouldve worked despite the manga saying that it wouldnt.
gaara taking madara out of susano means that rasenshuriken wouldnt have breached susano otherwise he would not have said that external attacks would not work, end of story.
4. Danzou's vastly inferior fuuton breached a more developed susanoo than Madara's, by feats FRS blows it apart
who is to say that danzos wind style was inferior? you are assuming that it is inferior. danzos wind style was empowered by baku.
your argument falls apart when rasenshuriken was stated to not have worked on susano and it becomes even further invalidated when you compared the durability of ms sasukes susano to madaras.
5. Even if for some inexplicable reason your arguments held true, naruto and his clones have access to oodama, chou oodama rasenshuriken and bijuu rasengan all of which are on another level of power than the rasenshuriken and far stronger than that level of susanoo's best durability feats/implications.
what feats do these moves possess that implies that they can destroy susano?
6. In scenarios 2-4, all of naruto's attacks get massively powered up since he combines KCM with SM, thus the manga instance of a SM rasenshuriken not being able to kill madara doesn't even apply.
nonsense. you cant even prove that frs can breach susano. you are just arbitrarily assuming that it can. if rasenshuriken breached madaras susano, that implies that the attack wouldve worked despite the manga saying that it wouldnt.
Oh so you're saying I have the burden of proof of having to PROVE FRS can breach susanoo? Well, then in saying that you have now burdened yourself with having to DISPROVE FRS breaching susanoo, and as I've shown gaara pulling madara out of susanoo doesn't imply that.
The bolded is downright laughable. If the rasenshuriken breached madara's susanoo in the manga then that would PROVE that it would have had the power to breach madara's susanoo. The manga made no comment on whether or not FRS could breach susanoo, it only implied that it couldn't take out madara while he was protected by susanoo.
gaara taking madara out of susano means that rasenshuriken wouldnt have breached susano otherwise he would not have said that external attacks would not work, end of story.
What is the goal, to breach susanoo or to kill madara? Obviously to kill madara, and if that's the case, then obviously if FRS can't kill him and only breach susanoo then FRS won't work. So nope, gaara wasn't talking about breaching susanoo.
who is to say that danzos wind style was inferior? you are assuming that it is inferior. danzos wind style was empowered by baku.
your argument falls apart when rasenshuriken was stated to not have worked on susano and it becomes even further invalidated when you compared the durability of ms sasukes susano to madaras.
If you want to argue that Danzou's fuuton powered by baku was superior, then I'd love to hear it. So far though, the technique's power even when amplified has been given zero verbal hype while NAruto's fuuton is still called incredibly powerful by even people like temari despite power inflation and 100 chapters after danzou's fuuton.
Like proven above, the manga was in no way shape or form talking about FRS's ability to breach susanoo, at best it was talking about its inability to kill madara while he was surrounded by susanoo. Most likely, it wasn't even talking about power rather it was talking about how susanoo is a complete defense that doesn't have any openings for external attacks to get through which is why gaara makes the no limit statement and refers to his past memory of attacking susanoo. Thus he wouldn't require any knowledge of how powerful FRS is in order to come to that conclusion.
Well, susanoo was blown open by a fuuton that's far inferior to FRS, therefore logically susanoo would sustain far more damage from FRS. FRS was so powerful that it did more damage to Yang kurama than 25 SM chou oodama rasengans, each stated and proven by damage scale to be capable of hollowing out a mountain.
On the otherhand, susanoos of the size of madaras were never implied to be capable of defending against an attack of such power. In fact, even when madara's legged susanoo was enhanced by senjutsu it still got shattered and madara got amputated by mere tail slaps from the bijuu. The best durability feat of the non-giant susanoos is itachi's susanoo getting completely vaporized by kirin. Other than that, the strongest attack it really hasn't blocked anything impressive.
This is basically 100% proof that you're completely and utterty biased and not interested in honestly discussing the manga. Madara's legged susanoo enhance by hashirama's sennin mode was treated like a toy by BM Naruto, it got pinned by just one of naruto's tails. Sasuke's V3 susanoo was the size of naruto's BM, that's far larger than the one madara was using against oonoki and naruto's clone, and Sasuke's susanoo had to be massively powered up by kurama's yin+yang chakra in order for it just to physically keep up with BM Naruto's avatar. And then we have naruto's avatar matching PS sword slashes (the strongest attack EMS susanoos can use) with its mere tails, and PS requiring to use actual ninja techniques through itself such as chidori in order to match BM's standard nuke: the bijuudama.
So no, clone susanoos are utter fodder to KCM Naruto, and are toy dolls to BM Naruto both of which nuke the hell out of them by feats, hype, portrayal anything other than pure relentless biased for madara/ against naruto.
what was the external attack in that scenario? it was rasenshuriken.
Oh so you're saying I have the burden of proof of having to PROVE FRS can breach susanoo? Well, then in saying that you have now burdened yourself with having to DISPROVE FRS breaching susanoo, and as I've shown gaara pulling madara out of susanoo doesn't imply that.
you havent proven anything. susano has been destroyed before. you have to prove that rasenshuriken is as poweful as the attacks that have destroyed susano without giving fallacious examples such as using ms sasukes susano to prove that rasenshuriken would destroy madaras susano.
madaras susano has shown higher durability than ms sasukes on equal levels.
despite such claims you still cant prove that rasenshuriken was stronger than danzos empowered fuuton.
The bolded is downright laughable. If the rasenshuriken breached madara's susanoo in the manga then that would PROVE that it would have had the power to breach madara's susanoo. The manga made no comment on whether or not FRS could breach susanoo, it only implied that it couldn't take out madara while he was protected by susanoo.
"If he is just like Sasuke, external attacks won't work".
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What is the goal, to breach susanoo or to kill madara? Obviously to kill madara, and if that's the case, then obviously if FRS can't kill him and only breach susanoo then FRS won't work. So nope, gaara wasn't talking about breaching susanoo.
susano needed to be breached in order to get to madara. that obviously wasnt going to happen hence gaara pulling madara out of susano.
im still not seeing any feats for rasenshuriken destroying susano.
If you want to argue that Danzou's fuuton powered by baku was superior, then I'd love to hear it. So far though, the technique's power even when amplified has been given zero verbal hype while NAruto's fuuton is still called incredibly powerful by even people like temari despite power inflation and 100 chapters after danzou's fuuton.
there wasnt anything to hype. danzo merely used bakus suction to enhance his fuuton.
Like proven above, the manga was in no way shape or form talking about FRS's ability to breach susanoo, at best it was talking about its inability to kill madara while he was surrounded by susanoo. Most likely, it wasn't even talking about power rather it was talking about how susanoo is a complete defense that doesn't have any openings for external attacks to get through which is why gaara makes the no limit statement and refers to his past memory of attacking susanoo. Thus he wouldn't require any knowledge of how powerful FRS is in order to come to that conclusion.
if rasenshuriken breached susano then that would contradict gaaras statement. if susano was destroyed then that would mean that external attacks indeed work against madara. this isnt hard to understand.
Well, susanoo was blown open by a fuuton that's far inferior to FRS, therefore logically susanoo would sustain far more damage from FRS. FRS was so powerful that it did more damage to Yang kurama than 25 SM chou oodama rasengans, each stated and proven by damage scale to be capable of hollowing out a mountain.
why do you keep equating ms sasukes susano to madaras susano despite madaras susano being more durable on equal levels? you dont have any feats that prove danzos enhanced fuuton to be inferior to rasenshuriken.
On the otherhand, susanoos of the size of madaras were never implied to be capable of defending against an attack of such power. In fact, even when madara's legged susanoo was enhanced by senjutsu it still got shattered and madara got amputated by mere tail slaps from the bijuu. The best durability feat of the non-giant susanoos is itachi's susanoo getting completely vaporized by kirin. Other than that, the strongest attack it really hasn't blocked anything impressive.
rasenshuriken is weaker than the attacks that you mentioned so thats irrelevant. the bijus tails broke madaras susano which naruto rasenshuriken cannot and kirin dwarfs rasenshuriken in scale and power.
So yeah, if you want to say that I have to prove that these attacks can destroy susanoo, you have to prove that these attacks CAN'T destroy susanoo.
chou odama rasenshuriken couldnt even destroy madaras body.
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the idea that a normal rasenshuriken can breach susano when a version many times bigger could not destroy madaras body is laughable.
This is basically 100% proof that you're completely and utterty biased and not interested in honestly discussing the manga. Madara's legged susanoo enhance by hashirama's sennin mode was treated like a toy by BM Naruto, it got pinned by just one of naruto's tails.
kuramas tails are much bigger than its main body. i am not the one being dishonest.
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sasukes V3 susano would fit under 50% kuramas tail as well.
Sasuke's V3 susanoo was the size of naruto's BM, that's far larger than the one madara was using against oonoki and naruto's clone, and Sasuke's susanoo had to be massively powered up by kurama's yin+yang chakra in order for it just to physically keep up with BM Naruto's avatar.
sasukes chakra was empowered by naruto. that allowed him to use a legged susano. the legged susano itself was the boost.
narutos chakra only made susano stronger in the sense that it could evolve to its next form. it doesnt make an existing form of susano any more powerful.
And then we have naruto's avatar matching PS sword slashes (the strongest attack EMS susanoos can use) with its mere tails, and PS requiring to use actual ninja techniques through itself such as chidori in order to match BM's standard nuke: the bijuudama.
that was six paths naruto. 50% kurama is as big as V3 susano. six paths senjutsu enhanced kurama rivals the size of perfect susano. stop using fallacious examples.
you havent proven anything. susano has been destroyed before. you have to prove that rasenshuriken is as poweful as the attacks that have destroyed susano without giving fallacious examples such as using ms sasukes susano to prove that rasenshuriken would destroy madaras susano.
Why is MS sasuke's susanoo a fallacious example? There's no feats, statements or implications that indicates edo madara's susanoo is any more or less durable than MS Sasuke's susanoo when both are at the same level and size. Not only that, but what attacks have destroyed the equivalent of madara's susanoo in the actual manga? The weakest attack that comes to mind is Ei + oonoki's backpack combo, which has nothing on the power of a rasenshuriken considering it's stronger than 25 mountain hollowing attacks. Now, when you claim the opposite that FRS CAN'T breach it, you also have a burden of proof to support that claim. So show me susanoo tanking an attack that's more powerful than FRS.
madaras susano has shown higher durability than ms sasukes on equal levels.
despite such claims you still cant prove that rasenshuriken was stronger than danzos empowered fuuton.
When has it shown higher durability than ms sasuke's when both are same size and level? I don't need to prove with 100% certainty that a rasenshuriken is stronger than danzou's fuuton since you can't prove the opposite as well. All I need to show is that it's far more plausible that the rasenshuriken is stronger than danzou's fuuton, and I've done that.
susano needed to be breached in order to get to madara. that obviously wasnt going to happen hence gaara pulling madara out of susano.
im still not seeing any feats for rasenshuriken destroying susano.
Susanoo needing to be breached is completely irrelevant since the statement was about defeating madara, and therefore merely breaching susanoo with the one offensive attack they are using would not defeat madara.
is an assertion which you've backed up by no arguments and therefore is completely worthless. Why do I need a feat of rasenshuriken going up against susanoo in order to conclude what would happen? You've given zero feats of rasenshuriken going up against susanoo, therefore by your very logic you can't claim that susanoo would block it.
Which proves that FRS >>> Danzou's fuuton, as FRS was hyped because of the sheer power of the technique, by the best fuuton user in the alliance and a hundred chapters of power inflation after danzou's fuuton was used while danzou's fuuton doesn't get anything since its power isn't even worth mentioning.
if rasenshuriken breached susano then that would contradict gaaras statement. if susano was destroyed then that would mean that external attacks indeed work against madara. this isnt hard to understand.
The rasenshuriken breaching susanoo would in no way contradict gaara's statement because gaara's statement was about defeating madara, only the rasenshuriken defeated madara would contradict gaara's statement. Susanoo being destroyed, but madara being fine wouldn't contradict gaara's statement since the external attack did nothing to madara only to madara's susanoo and therefore gaar's statment holds true.
why do you keep equating ms sasukes susano to madaras susano despite madaras susano being more durable on equal levels? you dont have any feats that prove danzos enhanced fuuton to be inferior to rasenshuriken.
Been here done this. Do you have any feats that prove danzou's enhanced fuuton is superior to the rasenshuriken? If not, then the only evidence we have to work with in hype and the rasenshuriken wrecks by a landslide. Therefore, until you do show that danzou's fuuton is more powerful rasenshuriken is more powerful.
And I really am interested in these feats that show ms sasuke's susanoo is weaker than madara's when at the same level asnd size.
rasenshuriken is weaker than the attacks that you mentioned so thats irrelevant. the bijus tails broke madaras susano which naruto rasenshuriken cannot and kirin dwarfs rasenshuriken in scale and power.
Based on what is the rasenshuriken weaker than 9 bijuu tail slaps? The bolded is the very assertion that you're trying to PROVE therefore you argument is circular, and Kirin absolutely does not dwarf the rasenshuriken in either scale or power when the rasenshuriken's explosion
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Thank you for this, because you've just confirmed to me, yourself and anyone reading our argument that you don't care about truth, rather you are just fixated on pushing your personal agenda regardless of what you have to assert. I accept your concession on this thread. Madara is an edo tensei, obviously he'd be if given so much time to regenerate that there's not a single sign of smoke or dust from the rasenshuriken's massive wind sphere.
if edo madara actually took that attack and survived, he'd be massively superior to sandaime raikage. Do you believe that's true? That the guy who gets kicked in half by lee is massively superior in durability to RnY sandaime raikage, the guy who's body was stated to be the strongest shield, able to withstand any attack?
This just keeps on getting better and better. Not only have I forced you to assert the SM Chou oodama rasenshuriken didn't destroy edo madara's body, but now you're asserting that the susanoo underneath naruto's tail in this scan:
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is the same size as sasuke's in this scan:
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To top it all off, your post didn't even change anything as Naruto would still be treating madara's senpou susanoo as a toy regardless.
sasukes chakra was empowered by naruto. that allowed him to use a legged susano. the legged susano itself was the boost.
narutos chakra only made susano stronger in the sense that it could evolve to its next form. it doesnt make an existing form of susano any more powerful.
that was six paths naruto. 50% kurama is as big as V3 susano. six paths senjutsu enhanced kurama rivals the size of perfect susano. stop using fallacious examples.
It's six path's naruto vs sharinnegan rikudou sasuke which means take away six paths from naruto and take away sharinnegan from sasuke, and you get EMS PS vs BM avatar.
And then there's the fact that you've ignored a ton of my arguments which results in you tacitly conceding them. Thus BM NAruto >>> than a V3 susanoo of the same size. IF you want, we can make a versus thread so everyone can see you for what you are.
Why is MS sasuke's susanoo a fallacious example? There's no feats, statements or implications that indicates edo madara's susanoo is any more or less durable than MS Sasuke's susanoo when both are at the same level and size.
ems madaras susano is more durable than ms sasukes on equal levels. stop comparing them.
Not only that, but what attacks have destroyed the equivalent of madara's susanoo in the actual manga? The weakest attack that comes to mind is Ei + oonoki's backpack combo, which has nothing on the power of a rasenshuriken considering it's stronger than 25 mountain hollowing attacks.
ei+onokis combo does pack more power than rasenshuriken considering that it broke madaras susano while chou odama rasenshuriken couldnt even destroy madaras body.
Now, when you claim the opposite that FRS CAN'T breach it, you also have a burden of proof to support that claim. So show me susanoo tanking an attack that's more powerful than FRS.
there is no burden of proof on my part. the manga stated that rasenshuriken would not breach susano. a stronger frs could not put down madara who is less durable than his susano.
When has it shown higher durability than ms sasuke's when both are same size and level? I don't need to prove with 100% certainty that a rasenshuriken is stronger than danzou's fuuton since you can't prove the opposite as well. All I need to show is that it's far more plausible that the rasenshuriken is stronger than danzou's fuuton, and I've done that.
what do you think gaara was talking about when he said that external attacks would not work? madaras real body? external attacks would not work on susano, so gaara used the sand under madara feet to remove him from susano.
just accept that you dont have an argument because this is getting tedious.
Susanoo needing to be breached is completely irrelevant since the statement was about defeating madara, and therefore merely breaching susanoo with the one offensive attack they are using would not defeat madara.
is an assertion which you've backed up by no arguments and therefore is completely worthless. Why do I need a feat of rasenshuriken going up against susanoo in order to conclude what would happen? You've given zero feats of rasenshuriken going up against susanoo, therefore by your very logic you can't claim that susanoo would block it.
Which proves that FRS >>> Danzou's fuuton, as FRS was hyped because of the sheer power of the technique, by the best fuuton user in the alliance and a hundred chapters of power inflation after danzou's fuuton was used while danzou's fuuton doesn't get anything since its power isn't even worth mentioning.
The rasenshuriken breaching susanoo would in no way contradict gaara's statement because gaara's statement was about defeating madara, only the rasenshuriken defeated madara would contradict gaara's statement. Susanoo being destroyed, but madara being fine wouldn't contradict gaara's statement since the external attack did nothing to madara only to madara's susanoo and therefore gaar's statment holds true.
Been here done this. Do you have any feats that prove danzou's enhanced fuuton is superior to the rasenshuriken? If not, then the only evidence we have to work with in hype and the rasenshuriken wrecks by a landslide. Therefore, until you do show that danzou's fuuton is more powerful rasenshuriken is more powerful.
all of this rubbish is countered by hashiramas statement of chou odama rasenshuriken not being able to take down madara.
thats just another nail in the coffin for your argument. rasenshuriken was already stated to not be able to breach susano and an even stronger version could not put madara down with a direct hit.
both feats and statements say that susano,even in its early stages, tank rasenshuriken with no damage.
Based on what is the rasenshuriken weaker than 9 bijuu tail slaps? The bolded is the very assertion that you're trying to PROVE therefore you argument is circular, and Kirin absolutely does not dwarf the rasenshuriken in either scale or power when the rasenshuriken's explosion
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the 9 tail slaps mutilated madara past his V3 susano. chou odama rasenshuriken didnt destroy madara even when he was completely unprotected.
that is sufficient enough.
Thank you for this, because you've just confirmed to me, yourself and anyone reading our argument that you don't care about truth, rather you are just fixated on pushing your personal agenda regardless of what you have to assert. I accept your concession on this thread. Madara is an edo tensei, obviously he'd be if given so much time to regenerate that there's not a single sign of smoke or dust from the rasenshuriken's massive wind sphere.
are you daft? hashirama knows that madara was an edo tensei. him saying that narutos rasenshuriken wasnt enough to put him down means that it wasnt strong enough to destroy his body so he could be sealed.
if edo madara actually took that attack and survived, he'd be massively superior to sandaime raikage. Do you believe that's true? That the guy who gets kicked in half by lee is massively superior in durability to RnY sandaime raikage, the guy who's body was stated to be the strongest shield, able to withstand any attack?
madaras durability compared to the raikage is irrelevant.
regardless of what the 3rd raikage can or cannot tank, madara was not destroyed by narutos rasenshuriken as shown and stated in the manga.
lee was kyuubi powered and he received a boost in momentum from gai.
This just keeps on getting better and better. Not only have I forced you to assert the SM Chou oodama rasenshuriken didn't destroy edo madara's body, but now you're asserting that the susanoo underneath naruto's tail in this scan:
kuramas tails are larger than his body. whats so hard to understand?
you are not forcing me to claim anything. madara tanking chou odama rasenshuriken happened in the manga and its validated by hashiramas statement.
if that attack actually managed to put madara down, he would have been sealed by hashirama as he said he would.
To top it all off, your post didn't even change anything as Naruto would still be treating madara's senpou susanoo as a toy regardless.
i never stated that each of madaras clones were stronger than ems sasuke. you need to actually correctly comprehend what you are reading.
It's six path's naruto vs sharinnegan rikudou sasuke which means take away six paths from naruto and take away sharinnegan from sasuke, and you get EMS PS vs BM avatar.
there is no such thing as a "rikudo PS". the rinnegan has nothing to do with it. susano gets no stronger past the complete body form. if you took the rinnegan from sasuke, he would still retain the exact same PS. take six paths senjutsu away from naruto and sasukes PS one shots him.
sasuke could use PS before gaining hagoromos chakra.
the more an uchihas chakra is empowered(their mastery of susano is also a factor), the more likely it is that they can invoke a complete body susano. thats it. there is no such thing as a "six paths susano".
if an uchiha invokes a complete body susano, it ends there. gaining the rinnegan does not affect it other than it gaining mugen tsukiyomi resistance through the user.
And then there's the fact that you've ignored a ton of my arguments which results in you tacitly conceding them. Thus BM NAruto >>> than a V3 susanoo of the same size. IF you want, we can make a versus thread so everyone can see you for what you are.
so, you're mad because naruto is not as strong as you want him to be? got it. anyone with sense knows that your argument is bullshit.
narutos clones destroying an army of susano with rasenshuriken is complete lunacy, not when an even stronger version cannot destroy madara.
BM naruto is on the level of V3 susano. he can match PS in his six paths senjutsu state.
