[VS] Hashirama takes the Akatsuki challenge

[Bogard]

Battlefield: Amegakure
Condition: Hashirama is trying to infiltrate Amegakure, going through the basement to get rid of Akatsuki members, killing the leaders and stopping their long time project, but when he comes, he figures out that it won't be that easy

Opposition

1- 30% Shouten Akatsuki members(Sasori, Deidara, Itachi, Kisame, Kakuzu, Hidan, Orochimaru)

This technique allows Pain to allocate a portion of an individual's chakra and transfers it into a living human sacrifice, allowing the original to fight via an elaborate "copy". The appearance of the person on whom the Shapeshifting Technique is performed is completely identical to the original person. The technique will imitate any weapons, tools or kekkei genkai held by the original person, allowing the copy to fight with them. The power of the copy is in proportion to the volume of allocated chakra, which is decided by Pain. The original's techniques are also available, but once the allocated chakra is depleted, the technique is cancelled and the copy dies. Afterwards the copy's appearance will revert back to the original appearance of the sacrifice.

2- Bypass the mirror sudden attacker technique

A secondary trap is laid under the Five-Seal Barrier. This technique is automatically started when the "forbidden" tags are removed. An exact copy of the person who removed the tag appears with their appearance, weapons, battle skills, and so on. Because the double has a fixed amount of stamina and doesn't feel exhaustion, it has an advantage in a drawn-out battle. In order to cancel this technique and defeat their copy, the one who removed the tag has no choice but to somehow push past the previous limits that they had at the time they removed the tag.

3- Defeat Konan

Konan already prepared the battlefield

4- Defeat 6 Paths of Pain

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5- Defeat Akatsuki members

Sasori, Deidara, Itachi, Kisame, Kakuzu, Hidan, Orochimaru

6- Defeat Nagato(with Gedo Mazo available) and MS Obito

Questions

a- Can Hashirama live up to his title of god of shinobi and succeed?
b- If not, who is the weakest partner you think Hashirama will need to succeed here?
c- Who is the weakest who can complete this gauntlet?

 

[Bolt Rules]

Itachi stops him

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He stops at 4\5 due to 2 exhausting him.

 

[EliteKakashi]

#1 - Hashirama should take this, but the issue with debating this is we have no clue in regards to how much chakra each technique takes from each Akat member. We can kind of judge Itachi and Kisame since they fought in this state, but the others?

#2 - Team Gai did it, I'm not going to doubt Hashirama being able to do it.

#3 - That's rough, but Hashirama has an advantage that Obito didn't in the fact that he can get himself out of the hole with mokuton, and potentially drag Konan down in to it with the mokuton after doing so, causing her to cancel(if she can) the technique. Alternatively, with as much of a chakra beast as Hashirama was, he probably has the stamina to continue rebuilding a wooden defense with his mokuton for 10 minutes. Whenever he manages to escape or outlast this technique, it's over for Konan.

#4 - This could be where it ends for Hashirama, assuming this is a challenge where the obstacles are back to back rather than getting rest in between. Is Chibaku TEnsei applicable here/are the paths close enough to Nagato to use it? Having to deal with all of the issues the different paths present, without any knowledge of them(at least I don't think he has knowledge of who does what, maybe I'm wrong though), is going to put a huge strain on him with all the chakra he's already used up to this point.

#5 - Assuming he does have enough stamina left over to take out the paths, it undoubtedly ends here. Taking all of these on at full strength would be difficult, much less as exhausted as he's going to be. Kisame has chakra reserves on par with Hashirama, all of the elemental blasts that could come from Shin Susenju(again, this is assuming he has the chakra to pull off this technique) can be countered by Kakuzu and Kisame, Itachi has totsuka and yata, Orochimaru has hydra, which even if it's relatively featless, it still is huge and would require dealing with, my Sasori knowledge isn't the greatest so I'll let someone else comment on what he brings to the table, Deidara's explosions would be annoying as hell, having to continuously block them. Hidan is probably useless here but he's someone that still has to be accounted for.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure he'd get to 4. He probably gets past 4 and on to 5, but there's no way he wins 5 with all the chakra he's already had to exhaust.

Missed the questions, my bad:

a- Can Hashirama live up to his title of god of shinobi and succeed?

No, although getting as far as he would, would have him living up to his title.

b- If not, who is the strongest partner you think Hashirama will need to succeed here?

Madara

c- Who is the weakest who can complete this gauntlet?

By themselves? Given the stamina toll, probably looking at juubi jins and up only.

 

[Demonic.]

He does much better than Minato, that's for sure.

 

[Lariatoo]

What the above said.
He definitly beats one, as a clone Itachi could not even activated MS, so they are gone.
On round 2 he simply activated his SM. Since the mirror matches will copy how he is on that exact moment.
On 3 it gets tricky but he will probably be able to pull it off with a Mokujin that tanked a TBB.
I believe on round 4 its where its when it ended for him.

 

[Bogard]

#2 - Team Gai did it, I'm not going to doubt Hashirama being able to do it.

Team Gai did it because of their tenacy to try to get stronger after seconds by seconds, minutes by minutes, days by days. I do think Hashirama will pass this stage, but i also think it may exhaust him before overcoming his double

#3 - That's rough, but Hashirama has an advantage that Obito didn't in the fact that he can get himself out of the hole with mokuton, and potentially drag Konan down in to it with the mokuton after doing so, causing her to cancel(if she can) the technique. Alternatively, with as much of a chakra beast as Hashirama was, he probably has the stamina to continue rebuilding a wooden defense with his mokuton for 10 minutes. Whenever he manages to escape or outlast this technique, it's over for Konan.

Maybe but i think that considering the size of the whole, nothing short of Shinsuusenju may fit for him to get out. Also, what do you mean by dragging her with mokuton? Which technique will he use? And that is assuming he can actually grab her paper body that easily

#4 - This could be where it ends for Hashirama, assuming this is a challenge where the obstacles are back to back rather than getting rest in between. Is Chibaku TEnsei applicable here/are the paths close enough to Nagato to use it? Having to deal with all of the issues the different paths present, without any knowledge of them(at least I don't think he has knowledge of who does what, maybe I'm wrong though), is going to put a huge strain on him with all the chakra he's already used up to this point.

Yes, they are close enough to Nagato to use all techniques available

#5 - Assuming he does have enough stamina left over to take out the paths, it undoubtedly ends here. Taking all of these on at full strength would be difficult, much less as exhausted as he's going to be. Kisame has chakra reserves on par with Hashirama, all of the elemental blasts that could come from Shin Susenju(again, this is assuming he has the chakra to pull off this technique) can be countered by Kakuzu and Kisame, Itachi has totsuka and yata, Orochimaru has hydra, which even if it's relatively featless, it still is huge and would require dealing with, my Sasori knowledge isn't the greatest so I'll let someone else comment on what he brings to the table, Deidara's explosions would be annoying as hell, having to continuously block them. Hidan is probably useless here but he's someone that still has to be accounted for.

I don't have that much knowledge on Sasori myself, but i think Hidan could be dangerous if the battle drags on(and he is still alive) considering he only needs a drop of blood to end Hashirama

b- If not, who is the strongest partner you think Hashirama will need to succeed here?

Madara

I meant weakest here, lol

c- Who is the weakest who can complete this gauntlet?

By themselves? Given the stamina toll, probably looking at juubi jins and up only.

Yes by themselves. So i guess you mean Jubito?

 

[EliteKakashi]

Team Gai did it because of their tenacy to try to get stronger after seconds by seconds, minutes by minutes, days by days. I do think Hashirama will pass this stage, but i also think it may exhaust him before overcoming his double

I understand the logic behind the technique and how Gai and his team surpassed it, I just have a hard time believe that Hashirama or any high tier character is going to lose to this technique, or really be terribly troubled by it. If it was that powerful, the Akatsuki would have found ways to use it more than just the once. It was simply used as a diversion tactic. An effective diversion, but a diversion none the less.

The way I look at it is man who took down the most powerful Uchiha ever(having the Kyuubi has a weapon in his arsenal too) isn't going to be troubled by something as relatively simple as this. There's quite a few techniques like this in the manga(in regards to it has hype and feats behind it, but you're not going to expect a high tier to lose to it).

Maybe but i think that considering the size of the whole, nothing short of Shinsuusenju may fit for him to get out. Also, what do you mean by dragging her with mokuton? Which technique will he use? And that is assuming he can actually grab her paper body that easily

I'm not aware of there being any limit as to how tall of a tree(or whatever) he can grow, so I'm not sure that's an issue. What could be an issue, though, is Konan blowing up whatever he tries to grow, thus forcing him to rely on continuously building a defense.

I would be lying if I said I understood how Konan's paper body worked, but she's been grabbed before, as well as stabbed. Maybe her torso/head isn't made of paper? I have no idea, but regardless here's the scans of the grabbing/stabbing:

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So potentially he could create spikes when he grabs her with the mokuton and kill her then.

As far as what technique he'll use, I dunno if there's a technique name for it, but he can control Mokuton anyway he desires. I'm pretty sure Yamato has a scan or two of him grabbing people with mokuton as well. By dragging I mean bringing her down in to the paper bomb "sea".

Yes, they are close enough to Nagato to use all techniques available

Yeah that makes that more difficult. He'd probably have to rely on elemental blasts to take out CT.

I don't have that much knowledge on Sasori myself, but i think Hidan could be dangerous if the battle drags on(and he is still alive) considering he only needs a drop of blood to end Hashirama

Well, yeah I guess if he takes some blood from him he could end it, but in a battle where elements and wood release and all that stuff is going to be flying all over the place, Hidan is going to have a hard time finding a way to get to Hashirama.

I meant weakest here, lol

Answer is probably still the same.

Yes by themselves. So i guess you mean Jubito?

Jubito, JJ Madara, Kaguya, Hagoromo, Hamura, people on that level if I'm missing anyone else.

 

[TheSages456]

hashirama destroys everyone in this thread with minimal effort and wouldnt even be close to running out of chakra after the gauntlet.

Battlefield:
1- 30% Shouten Akatsuki members(Sasori, Deidara, Itachi, Kisame, Kakuzu, Hidan, Orochimaru)

hashirama one shots everyone here with jukai koutan. they cant even step up to him at 100% power.

2- Bypass the mirror sudden attacker technique

hashirama easily destroys the clone. the clone has a fixed amount of stamina and does not possess hashiramas true reserves.

3- Defeat Konan

Konan already prepared the battlefield

the destruction wasnt that impressive. mokuton hobi tanks then a mokuryu saps her chakra so she can no longer turn into paper.

4- Defeat 6 Paths of Pain

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the six paths of pain lose horrendously. all of the paths get overwhelmed by jukai koutan alone. if nagato channels his full power into deva path to use CT, it simply gets destroyed. even the mokuryu can muscle through CT given its feats against BM naruto.

5- Defeat Akatsuki members

Sasori, Deidara, Itachi, Kisame, Kakuzu, Hidan, Orochimaru

the mokuryu is equal or superior to madaras V3 susano which would destroy these guys. it managed to restrain madara so none of these guys have a chance against it.

6- Defeat Nagato(with Gedo Mazo available) and MS Obito

hashirama restrains nagato with the mokuryu and drains his chakra. the gedo mazo cant do a thing to hashirama. its easily restrained by branches.

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there is a ridiculous skill gap between hashirama and obito. obito cant surprise warp him since hashirama has feats that allow him to easily outmaneuver obito in cqc(avoiding the same branches that caught naruto). hashirama simply embarrasses him and he could make mokubunshin to turn a low diff win into a comical thrashing.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nagato and Obito is the hardest match he'll have, and even then it's not that hard to get through it.

a- Can Hashirama live up to his title of god of shinobi and succeed?

Comfortably.

c- Who is the weakest who can complete this gauntlet?

Probably EMS Madara.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Nagato and Obito is the hardest match he'll have, and even then it's not that hard to get through it.

Comfortably.

Probably EMS Madara.

I expected Sages' response, cause that's just how he is, but this coming from you? Not only having him complete this, but doing it comfortably?

Even if he's powerful enough to take all of these at 100%(and I question him being able to take #5 at 100%, #6 would be pretty difficult too), there's no way he's got the stamina to go through all of these in a row, much less comfortably, even if he's got godly chakra levels.

 

[ARGUS]

Hashirama clears this,

Nagato and MS Obito is the only match giving hashirama a fight, but even they get mid diffd,

 

[Beans2]

Wait a second...

"A secondary trap is laid under the Five-Seal Barrier. This technique is automatically started when the "forbidden" tags are removed. An exact copy of the person who removed the tag appears with their appearance, weapons, battle skills, and so on. Because the double has a fixed amount of stamina and doesn't feel exhaustion, it has an advantage in a drawn-out battle. In order to cancel this technique and defeat their copy, the one who removed the tag has no choice but to somehow push past the previous limits that they had at the time they removed the tag."

This would create an exact replica of Hashirama?

 

[LuckyMan]

Wait a second...

"A secondary trap is laid under the Five-Seal Barrier. This technique is automatically started when the "forbidden" tags are removed. An exact copy of the person who removed the tag appears with their appearance, weapons, battle skills, and so on. Because the double has a fixed amount of stamina and doesn't feel exhaustion, it has an advantage in a drawn-out battle. In order to cancel this technique and defeat their copy, the one who removed the tag has no choice but to somehow push past the previous limits that they had at the time they removed the tag."

This would create an exact replica of Hashirama?

That is correct.

 

[KidGamer65]

I expected Sages' response, cause that's just how he is, but this coming from you? Not only having him complete this, but doing it comfortably?

Even if he's powerful enough to take all of these at 100%(and I question him being able to take #5 at 100%, #6 would be pretty difficult too), there's no way he's got the stamina to go through all of these in a row, much less comfortably, even if he's got godly chakra levels.

The first round is no trouble at all, barely any chakra needs to be expended to defeat Shoten Clones of the Akatsuki minus Obito or Madara. Jukai Kotan is more than enough to take them down. They aren't going to evade it, too widespread. They aren't going to tank it, not when they don't even have a shield let alone a shield good enough to block it, nor will they overpower it. Kajukai Korin also one shots them. Them having no intel means they won't know to get above the forest, thus it's GG for them...even if they had intel, only Deidara can fly, and it'll take too much time to get everyone into the air at once, and even if he does, Hashirama pulls a Madara and knocks them back into the forest.

The second round is no trouble at all. DB says that the amount of stamina the clone has is fixed, so it wouldn't be able to replicate all of Hashirama's Jutsu due to lack of chakra.

Databook 3 - Kyoumen Shuusha no Jutsu:
Mirrored Sudden Attacker (鏡面襲者の術, Kyoumen Shuuja no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, A-rank, Offensive, Short range (0-5m)
User: Pain

Nature and abilities are almost exactly the same!!
One's own clone, as if reflected by a full-length mirror!!

A double trap laid under the "Five Seal Barrier". This technique is automatically started when the "Forbidden"-fuda* are removed. The remover's appearance, battle skills, and so on are perfectly copied by a duplicate body that appears and attacks suddenly!! Because the double has a fixed amount of stamina, it's at a disadvantage in a drawn-out battle. In order to cancel this technique, the one who removed the fuda has no choice but to grow beyond how they were at the time they removed it.

[picture of the ground bulging]
[picture of a clone taking form]
↑→The instant the "forbidden"-fuda are removed, this technique is invoked. As the copies rise from the ground, they take on the shape of the one who removed the fuda!!

The only way to win is to exceed oneself!?

*A fuda, or o-fuda (御札) is a kind of talisman or charm, made of paper. It is placed on walls, pillars, doors , and windows as a guard against evil spirits and such. They are often seen in manga and anime as a kind of mystical weapon. The exploding tags in Naruto are fuda, for example.

Hashirama would obliterate it if he used things like Mokujin or Sage Mode on it. That round is not an issue, barely any chakra needs to be used on it.

Round 3? The only relevant jutsu here is Konan's paper bomb explosion, and I highly doubt that her sea of Paper Bombs (at least the area Hashirama will be in) is going to be so much stronger than Kurama's Mountain Vaporizing Bijuu Dama that it'll obliterate Hobi and kill Hashirama in the process. As long as they aren't on the outskirts of the village (Which they won't be based on the scenario) Hashirama should be able to latch onto something to prevent falling into the sea, so he might not even get hit. Mokuryu one shots her after that.

Barely any chakra needs to be used. Only one or two jutsu for each round.

Round 4? Not even a challenge. SM Naruto and KN6/8 Naruto pushed Pain to his limit. Hashirama is tiers above either of them, so he'd crush Pain faster, and thus would not expend anywhere near as much chakra as Naruto did. CST is tanked with Hobi, CT is broken out of with Mokujin or even Mokuryu since Mokuryu physically restrained BM Naruto, and BM Naruto>>KN8 Naruto in physical strength, and KN8 broke out of Pain's CT.

Round 5? Doesn't even need Sage Mode. Mokuryu, Mokujin, Jukai Kotan, and Kajukai Korin take them out for pretty much the same reasons.

Round 6 is the only remote struggle here, but CST and CT already have counters as listed above, and the rest of his Rinnegan techniques can't even overpower Hashirama's offense. Obito gets taken out via superior speed, CQC ability, sensing, and surprise attacks via Moku Bunshin.

Tsunade had enough chakra to heal the whole village, and DB says that her chakra is mere portion of Hashirama's. Attrition is no factor when he's fighting people who aren't even on his level, when the first 4 rounds are against opponents he'd babyshake. Lol.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Round 5? Doesn't even need Sage Mode. Mokuryu, Mokujin, Jukai Kotan, and Kajukai Korin take them out for pretty much the same reasons.

Given this is my only huge disagreement, this is all I'll focus on.

Mokuryu? Deidara's bombs and Kakuzu's raiton and futon are both feasible counters.

Mokujin would be a pretty hard task to over come, but this is where they turn their focus from the jutsu itself to Hashirama. While some attack the statue(just to keep it preoccupied), others attack Hashirama himself.

In regards to Jukai Kotan/Kajukai Korin, it can be countered by flight. Deidara can destroy the flower. I wonder if suiton would have any effect on the pollen..that's a possibility too, if so.

And ultimately, Hashirama(nor does anyone else in this manga, really) does not have a counter for Totsuka, and there's nothing he can do to Yata.

 

[KidGamer65]

Given this is my only huge disagreement, this is all I'll focus on.

Mokuryu? Deidara's bombs and Kakuzu's raiton and futon are both feasible counters.

Deidara's C2 (strongest bomb he can spam) didn't even take out Sasuke after hitting him directly. Mokuryu would tank it. Kakuzu's Raiton and Fuuton are even weaker, and they can be evaded.

Mokujin would be a pretty hard task to over come, but this is where they turn their focus from the jutsu itself to Hashirama. While some attack the statue(just to keep it preoccupied), others attack Hashirama himself.

Except Hashirama is on top of Mokujin, so attacking him and attacking the jutsu are pretty much the same exact thing, and Akatsuki can't take it down with anything they have.

In regards to Jukai Kotan/Kajukai Korin, it can be countered by flight. Deidara can destroy the flower. I wonder if suiton would have any effect on the pollen..that's a possibility too, if so.

Assuming Deidara is in the air by the time the jutsu is used, all Hashirama needs to do is knock him back down like Madara did to the Gokage, thus he can't destroy the flower and he gets knocked out. Then there's the fact that it grows too fast and too widespread for Deidara to escape it and get in the air before the branches grab him.

Not sure what Suiton would do to airborne pollen, not like Kisame'll get a chance to do anything, he'll be knocked out cold before he can use a jutsu, just like the Gokage were.

And ultimately, Hashirama(nor does anyone else in this manga, really) does not have a counter for Totsuka, and there's nothing he can do to Yata.

The counter is..not getting hit, or blocking it. Totsuka can't cut through everything nor can Yata block everything. Hyperbole is not fact. Then there's the fact that he doesn't need to destroy Itachi's Susanoo to beat him. Mokuryu absorbs chakra. Jukai Kotan grabs him from under and removes him from Susanoo just how Gaara did it. Then there is the fact that he can't maintain Susanoo for long anyway.


Hashirama babyshakes.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Wait a second...

"A secondary trap is laid under the Five-Seal Barrier. This technique is automatically started when the "forbidden" tags are removed. An exact copy of the person who removed the tag appears with their appearance, weapons, battle skills, and so on. Because the double has a fixed amount of stamina and doesn't feel exhaustion, it has an advantage in a drawn-out battle. In order to cancel this technique and defeat their copy, the one who removed the tag has no choice but to somehow push past the previous limits that they had at the time they removed the tag."

This would create an exact replica of Hashirama?

That is correct. His only hope of passing it would be sage mode. Which in turn would burn most of his chakra upon deactivation

 

[KingHashirama]

He can get past most of the rounds with just wood clones..

And does he get time to rest between the rounds?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He can get past most of the rounds with just wood clones..

And does he get time to rest between the rounds?

No. That's the point of this.