Drama between Fanbases that don't make sense anymore

[FemmeFatale]

Sakura vs hints is stupid,
It came put of nowhere, that one guy said neji > Tsunade and we get this shit.

 

[Narutohokage324]

FF VII: Cloud is the main character, yet his rival is stronger
Tenjou Tenge: Nagi is the MC, yet his rival is stronger
Yugioh GX manga: Jaden is the MC, yet 3 of his rivals are stronger than him

Just some examples, The mc is not always stronger than his rival. The rival can be weaker, stronger, or just as strong (like in Digimon for example). It depends on what is shown and most importantly what the creator says or tries to depict. Kishimote clearly depicted them as equals, at least it was his goal.

Btw. didn't Indra tie with Ashura even though Hagoromo gave Ashura his chakra and not even a bit to Indra?

I just wanted to point out that Indra was born with “powerful eyes” – So we can assume he was able to activate the Sharingan, or Sharringan (what-ever is depicted in the picture). Hagoromo never gave his chakra to either sons, one unlocked power by training hard while protecting those he cared for, and you already know about lndra.

What Hagoromo left Ashura was Ninshuu, the title of the leader of “Ninshuu.” Yes, it’s stated in the manga, databooks, wiki and what-ever else has this information. I just remember reading it very thoroughly last week.

Once Hagoromo picked Ashura as his successor in Ninshuu, Indra got angry, and that is how the "Brothers Fued" started.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

I think it is very clear that Naruto > Sasuke by chapter 699, took the powers of the nine bijuu to equal Naruto and he lost it towards the end.

Obito > Itachi

And yes Prime Madara is the strongest Uchiha.

Kishi: Naruto=Sasuke just as Yang=Yin

Naruto fans: F*** you Kishi! F*** you and f*** your fanfic!

 

[itachi uchiha fiance]

i agree wiht itachi part

 

[shelke]

I just wanted to point out that Indra was born with “powerful eyes” – So we can assume he was able to activate the Sharingan, or Sharringan (what-ever is depicted in the picture). Hagoromo never gave his chakra to either sons, one unlocked power by training hard while protecting those he cared for, and you already know about lndra.

What Hagoromo left Ashura was Ninshuu, the title of the leader of “Ninshuu.” Yes, it’s stated in the manga, databooks, wiki and what-ever else has this information. I just remember reading it very thoroughly last week.

Once Hagoromo picked Ashura as his successor in Ninshuu, Indra got angry, and that is how the "Brothers Fued" started.

You mean the avatar he got through ninshuu? The entire legacy of the sage? It's like no body here bothers to read the manga.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Gonna be kind of long, and it may sound like a rant. Just going to point out a few things, feel free to add your own.

Ok, I am ready

Naruto vs Sasuke

Spoiler

Naruto = Sasuke
Sasuke = Naruto

How hard is that to comprehend? Yeah, the debates between those two characters were enjoyable when the series established them as rivals who were constantly growing with each chapter, but towards the end of the series when they finished their clash and they remained equals ... Does it even matter who wins at this point? Who cares who used what Demon chakra? Solo glance? 9 Bijuu vs Half kurama? Everyone has their personal opinion, I get it, but Kishimoto will always find a way to keep them constant with each-other, a never ending battle of Light vs Darkness, and Yin vs Yang.

At the least, both of these fanbases should be respecting each-other after all those years of shit-talk, but months later after the ending they are still arguing with each-other. Naruto and Sasue are "friends" now, or what-ever you wanna call it. Why can't they finally settle down?

damn, well spoken

Itachi vs Obito

Spoiler

Honestly, this is one of the only fanbase battes, arguments, and debates that even remotely makes sense (bare with me for a second). Both of those shinobi have techniques which counter their respected sets. Totsuka blade, Yata mirror ... probably won't work against Obito who uses Kamui. Some say they are spiritual weapons which they are, however no solid evidence claims that they would affect someone such as Obito. These are understandable as the Manga never established who would win if they fought (because they never did).

Probably, I could agree to that. However Obito can outlast Itachi.

Sakura vs Hinata

Spoiler

Some of the dumbest shit on the NarutoBase right now. Really? A student of the Legendary Sannin, the third main character, and the so called "Heroine" of the Naruto Manga VS. A fodder (sorry but Kishimoto never allowed Hinata to fight anyone at her level. She always fought people who overly surpassed her in everything: Neji, Pain, etc) who is a side character, not really that important to the story (Neither is Sakura ... I mean realistically Sakura played her role in the manga, but I'm sure most of us could see her removed from the manga, and it wouldn't make a big deal). Though don't get me wrong: Rock Lee, TenTen, Neji, etc aren't really important at all either. The story consists of Naruto and Sasuke + Villians. No one else gets development like the Main character and Uchiha's.

No way is Hinata an overall better character feat wise than Sakura, that's plain stupidity. Though Sakura fans who try to say "Hinata only has fans because of her boobs" are jokes as well. She is a likable character, she wasn't really hate-able until after Chapter 700 when shit exploded for no reason, but at the same time you can't help but smile at her achievements thus far. She has no development? Hinata in the War arc (when she was with Naruto) is not the same Hinata during the Chunin Exams. /INB4 The Naruto-kun's -- Sakura said just as many Sasuke-kun's.

Both these characters got what the wanted: The D
Why do you both have to prove who is better? Nonsense. They never did shit, blame Kishi, not attack each-other.

Hinata has greatly improved through Part 2 of manga, but the little screen time neglect it in most of part.

Anyway The last Hinata would be on par with Base Sakura and probably on par with War arc Neji(before his death).

Itachi vs NarutoBase

Spoiler

Itachi solos

He is without a doubt one of the best characters in Anime history.

Now, I lost all respect I had for you...
it seems Izanami used on Itachi hard fans will last a bit longer. The loop will not stop until they accept Itachi's true depth. Sigh...Vicious cycle keep going it seems, sad.

Madara vs NarutoBase

Spoiler

Okay. Madara without a doubt is the strongest Uchiha hands down. Before you misunderstand me, I know Rinne-Sasuke is superior, or that Itachi is too (in terms of intelligence). However Madara is one of the only shinobi to have destroyed that many characters. He is a great shinobi, though do we need to constantly argue about it everyday? It all comes down to personal opinion but if you don't believe Naruto/Sasuke haven't already surpassed Hashirama/Madara then that's okay. They will eventually anyway, so what's the point of trying to rub it into everyone's face all the time?

Sorry ... I might of said too much.

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most likely correct.

Nice job, but your bias sadly has shown up at one point at least U_U

 

[Narutohokage324]

Ok, I am ready



damn, well spoken



Probably, I could agree to that. However Obito can outlast Itachi.



Hinata has greatly improved through Part 2 of manga, but the little screen time neglect it in most of part.

Anyway The last Hinata would be on par with Base Sakura and probably on par with War arc Neji(before his death).



Now, I lost all respect I had for you...
it seems Izanami used on Itachi hard fans will last a bit longer. The loop will not stop until they accept Itachi's true depth. Sigh...Vicious cycle keep going it seems, sad.



most likely correct.

Nice job, but your bias sadly has shown up at one point at least U_U

You misunderstood my joke as a real thing.
I said Itachi solos in favor of the Itachibase in the NB.
Nothing less, nothing more.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Are you fishing for rep? (trying to please everyone) :L Isn't discussing and debating the point in forums? o.o

 

[Radice]

Naruto > Sasuke, i hate people who try to please both sides.... Its a fact Ashura and his people have been superior.... get over it, naruto is the main character.

Goku > Vegeta
Naruto > Sasuke

same shit different series. Fans need to accept that their character is not the main character of the series.

In Madara and Hashirama case i Agree.
Hashirama during the entire life was superior a Madara and their last fight Hashirama properly defeated Madara.

Sasuke and Naruto homewer never
Sasuke was superior to Naruto during the entire story

Naruto never actually really defeated sasuke and was able to walk away,
similar to their first major fight at the end of part 1 where sasuke was standing up and Naruto was unconscious.

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[Narutohokage324]

In Madara and Hashirama case i Agree.
Hashirama during the entire life was superior a Madara and their last fight Hashirama properly defeated Madara.

Sasuke and Naruto homewer never
Sasuke was superior to Naruto during the entire story

Naruto never actually really defeated sasuke and was able to walk away,
similar to their first major fight at the end of part 1 where sasuke was standing up and Naruto was unconscious

Naruto vs Sasuke Vote 1 should of ended at a stalemate, but Sasuke had the biggest plot shield to move forward. Everytime they fight seriously, there is no indicated winner.

Naruto vs Sasuke Shippuden Part 1 - Sasuke negs

MS > SM

EMS = KCM/BM

War Arc = Equals

Vote 2 = Equals

...What are you saying?

If Naruto literally won any of these battles, the story would not have progressed.

 

[Brünhild]

Didn't read.

Hinata>Naruto>Sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Itachi.

Are you joking, right?

 

[Radice]

Naruto vs Sasuke Vote 1 should of ended at a stalemate, but Sasuke had the biggest plot shield to move forward. Everytime they fight seriously, there is no indicated winner.

Naruto vs Sasuke Shippuden Part 1 - Sasuke negs

MS > SM

EMS = KCM/BM

War Arc = Equals

Vote 2 = Equals

...What are you saying?

If Naruto literally won any of these battles, the story would not have progressed.

What? I'm saying exactly this.
In the end Kishimoto portrayed them as equals.

I'm only responding the guy who said Naruto is superior.
Naruto never won against Sasuke and in the last fight Kishimoto made a draw.


Plot shield isn't a argument.
Protagonists always have the strongest plot shield in any story

Naruto had the strongest plot shield in story because he is the main character and have to win everything and can't die.
That plot shield who made the majority Naruto fans thought Naruto will win and humiliate sasuke in the last Sasuke x Naruto.


But this is right to some extent
Obvious sasuke will not win the last battle in a manga named Naruto.

Kishimoto even nerfed Sasuke in the last fight not giving him full mastery of Rinnegan and his powers

But even with this Kishimoto can't allow Naruto win properly
Kishimoto made a draw with Naruto unable to move his body without his an arm to show that they are equal in the end.

 

[maniaoqan]

Madara is stronger than both Sasuke and Naruto.
MS Obito is stronger than Itachi any day.
Sakura is obviously stronger than Hinata, it would be a shame if she wasn't considering her Heroine position.

Itachi is smarter than Madara ? What a joke..

 

[Xlad]

Madara vs Naruto & Sasuke.
Sternritters vs Shinobis. :|
Prime Hiruzen vs Aizen
Obito vs Madara
Naruto vs Hinata
Tobidara vs Logic

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

What? I'm saying exactly this.
In the end Kishimoto portrayed them as equals.

I'm only responding the guy who said Naruto is superior.
Naruto never won against Sasuke and in the last fight Kishimoto made a draw.


Plot shield isn't a argument.
Protagonists always have the strongest plot shield in any story

Naruto had the strongest plot shield in story because he is the main character and have to win everything and can't die.
That plot shield who made the majority Naruto fans thought Naruto will win and humiliate sasuke in the last Sasuke x Naruto.


But this is right to some extent
Obvious sasuke will not win the last battle in a manga named Naruto.

Kishimoto even nerfed Sasuke in the last fight not giving him full mastery of Rinnegan and his powers

But even with this Kishimoto can't allow Naruto win properly
Kishimoto made a draw with Naruto unable to move his body without his an arm to show that they are equal in the end.

Don't even start that shit, saying Sasuke was nerfed in the last battle. Sasukes side never wins. He stole the tailed beasts *insert picture of Sasuke saying "I lost"* blah blah

As for plot shields, Sasuke and Naruto at the VOTE. Nuff said. Di Raizel was correct about the story progression.

 

[Narutohokage324]

You mean the avatar he got through ninshuu? The entire legacy of the sage? It's like no body here bothers to read the manga.

Ah!
I see where you are confused between my comment and Ashura avatar.

Firstly, no. Ninshuu did not grant him that, please re-read my post for a better clarification until you understand it. Next, Ashura obtained his power through hardwork and cooperation (with love) and all that jazz. Hagoromo stated that Ashura finally achieved his power: (Quote from Chapter 670) "Through harsh training, the chakra inside of him bloomed and he found the same power as his brother."

Hagormo: "Through the way Ashura lived his life, I began to understand a new possibility.

Hagoromo: "I also made Ashura the leader of Ninshuu, so that he could guide everyone."

Chapter 670.

Now you understand what I was saying. Basically my last post stated that when Ashura reached his brothers level, and by the way he reached it, Hagoromo titled him the next leader of Ninshuu. Which made Indra jealous. I thought you would of understood this already. What-ever ~

What? I'm saying exactly this.
In the end Kishimoto portrayed them as equals.

I'm only responding the guy who said Naruto is superior.
Naruto never won against Sasuke and in the last fight Kishimoto made a draw.


Plot shield isn't a argument.
Protagonists always have the strongest plot shield in any story

Naruto had the strongest plot shield in story because he is the main character and have to win everything and can't die.
That plot shield who made the majority Naruto fans thought Naruto will win and humiliate sasuke in the last Sasuke x Naruto.


But this is right to some extent
Obvious sasuke will not win the last battle in a manga named Naruto.

Kishimoto even nerfed Sasuke in the last fight not giving him full mastery of Rinnegan and his powers

But even with this Kishimoto can't allow Naruto win properly
Kishimoto made a draw with Naruto unable to move his body without his an arm to show that they are equal in the end.

Both had the strongest plot shield, since both are the main characters, not just Naruto.
I just wanted to point out for the Naruto vs Sasuke fights, that Naruto literally was not made to defeat Sasuke because of the plot progression. He was supposed to bring Sasuke back towards the end of the series, not in the beginning or middle.

 

[shelke]

Ah!
I see where you are confused between my comment and Ashura avatar.

Firstly, no. Ninshuu did not grant him that, please re-read my post for a better clarification until you understand it. Next, Ashura obtained his power through hardwork and cooperation (with love) and all that jazz. Hagoromo stated that Ashura finally achieved his power: (Quote from Chapter 670) "Through harsh training, the chakra inside of him bloomed and he found the same power as his brother."

Hagormo: "Through the way Ashura lived his life, I began to understand a new possibility.

Hagoromo: "I also made Ashura the leader of Ninshuu, so that he could guide everyone."

Chapter 670.

Now you understand what I was saying. Basically my last post stated that when Ashura reached his brothers level, and by the way he reached it, Hagoromo titled him the next leader of Ninshuu. Which made Indra jealous. I thought you would of understood this already. What-ever ~

Yeah, what is Ninshuu again? How did Naruto get all that chakra and the cloak later? It doesn't take a genius to add two into two. What Naruto practiced was Ninshuu, cooperation. Through that, he learned their names, and with their names came their chakra. Hence, Ninshuu. The legacy, the sage left to Ashura.

Things really need to be spelled out for you lot.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Ah!
I see where you are confused between my comment and Ashura avatar.

Firstly, no. Ninshuu did not grant him that, please re-read my post for a better clarification until you understand it. Next, Ashura obtained his power through hardwork and cooperation (with love) and all that jazz. Hagoromo stated that Ashura finally achieved his power: (Quote from Chapter 670) "Through harsh training, the chakra inside of him bloomed and he found the same power as his brother."

Hagormo: "Through the way Ashura lived his life, I began to understand a new possibility.

Hagoromo: "I also made Ashura the leader of Ninshuu, so that he could guide everyone."

Chapter 670.

Now you understand what I was saying. Basically my last post stated that when Ashura reached his brothers level, and by the way he reached it, Hagoromo titled him the next leader of Ninshuu. Which made Indra jealous. I thought you would of understood this already. What-ever ~



Both had the strongest plot shield, since both are the main characters, not just Naruto.
I just wanted to point out for the Naruto vs Sasuke fights, that Naruto literally was not made to defeat Sasuke because of the plot progression. He was supposed to bring Sasuke back towards the end of the series, not in the beginning or middle.

That's what I'm saying about the plot progression, kinda. That chap was over exaggerating Narutos plot shield compared to Sasuke. What would you even do with the story if Naruto won at the VOTE or even drew and they both collapsed which would have meant Kakashi would have found them and brought them back to the Leaf? Naruto couldn't have won or drew at that fight (even though he should have). Therefore Sasukes plot shield was thicker at the time.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Yeah, what is Ninshuu again? How did Naruto get all that chakra and the cloak later? It doesn't take a genius to add two into two. What Naruto practiced was Ninshuu, cooperation. Through that, he learned their names, and with their names came their chakra. Hence, Ninshuu. The legacy, the sage left to Ashura.

Things really need to be spelled out for you lot.

Yeah, what is Ninshuu again? How did Naruto get all that chakra and the cloak later? It doesn't take a genius to add two into two. What Naruto practiced was Ninshuu, cooperation. Through that, he learned their names, and with their names came their chakra. Hence, Ninshuu. The legacy, the sage left to Ashura.

Things really need to be spelled out for you lot.

Man you really are something stupid aren't ya? You posted above "You mean the avatar he got through ninshuu? The entire legacy of the sage? It's like no body here bothers to read the manga."

You do realize that Ashura's power where deep inside, hence the body of the Juubi (while his brother had the eyes), was blossomed only through hard-work and cooperation. The teachings of Ninshū were meant to give people a better understanding of themselves, as well as others, and lead the world into an era of peace. Unfortunately, Ninshū would eventually come to be known as ninjutsu, a more weaponised version of the ideal.

You seem to be confused between the two ideals of powers: Blossomed =/= Friendship
Naruto gained his power through friendship, but what he practiced gaining the Tailed Beasts was his personality alone of never wanting to give up, and striving for a better future. Ninshuu does not grant power per se for Ashura.

For Naruto that's understandable, for him to cooperate with the Tailed Beasts, but that was not Ninshuu. The first openly discussed form of Ninshuu was when Naruto combined his chakra with the whole Shinobi Alliance, and they felt Naruto's emotions/past towards Sasuke.

But, I'm frankly surprised, that you couldn't figure out that by yourself. A little disappointed by you ~