Itachi Uchiha vs. Ay

[Trúth]

3T Itachi low diffs.

 

[Haizaki]

3T Itachi low diffs.

Lool funniest post of 2015.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Depends, can itachi do a better job than sasuke who has more chakra than him.

I won't forget ay taking on 5 madara Susanoo. He and Ohnoki did the best against them.

 

[Draegod]

Depends, can itachi do a better job than sasuke who has more chakra than him.

I won't forget ay taking on 5 madara Susanoo. He and Ohnoki did the best against them.

With one arm mind you. And madara also had ems and mokuton to add to the fight yet Aye owned until distracted by tsunade.

Aye wins more times then not. Itachi literally has no way of catching him especially since aye has fought an ms, ems, rinnegan user.

 

[neosmith500]

Ay wins with medium difficulties.

Itachi activates MS , aye stupidly looks into his eyes to confirm if its MS similarly with sasuke , aye loses.



Neg diff

 

[BLAZE]

Genjutsu GG Lol
OTutting my bets on A.He was fighting 5 Complete susanoo of maddy's wood clones

 

[Draegod]

Itachi activates MS , aye stupidly looks into his eyes to conferm if its MS similarly with sasuke , aye loses.



Neg diff

Not likely considering he was fighting 5 EMS Users mid to close range with one arm and didn't once get caught despite Madara being faster,smarter, overall better in combat then Itachi. He has fought Sasuke and with anger bullied the fuq out of sasuke who couldn't even keep track of him.

No genjutsu will save Itachi since Aye wont stay still long enough for him to get grabbed and forced into genjutsu, any genjutsu bar Paralyzing genjutsu/Tsukuyomi will be instantly broken with his control over his chakra. And Susanoo is Itachi only way of even making it a challenge. But ofc Not even sasuke who has more stamina and chakra then Itachi could even spam Susanoo in the MS state.

Aye wins pretty much every time based on Manga intel, and it's 50/50 if it's Zero intel.

 

[LuckyMan]

Itachi activates MS , aye stupidly looks into his eyes to conferm if its MS similarly with sasuke , aye loses.



Neg diff

Just like he stupidly looked at the eyes of 5 Madara right?

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[neosmith500]

Not likely considering he was fighting 5 EMS Users mid to close range with one arm and didn't once get caught despite Madara being faster,smarter, overall better in combat then Itachi. He has fought Sasuke and with anger bullied the fuq out of sasuke who couldn't
even keep track of him.


No genjutsu will save Itachi since Aye wont stay still long enough for him to get grabbed and forced into genjutsu, any genjutsu bar Paralyzing genjutsu/Tsukuyomi will be instantly broken with his control over his chakra. And Susanoo is Itachi only way of even making it a challenge. But ofc Not even sasuke who has more stamina and chakra then Itachi could even spam Susanoo in the MS state.

Aye wins pretty much every time based on Manga intel, and it's 50/50 if it's Zero intel.

Seems legit , solo'ed B-)

If aye does not look him in the eye like against sasuke he wins.

 

[Lariatoo]

Just like he stupidly looked at the eyes of 5 Madara right?

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Well... Gaara looked on Madara's eyes when he noticed he was not an Edo and did not got caught in genjutsu. Oonoki looked in his eyes and did not got caught. Every instance when someone looked on Itachi's eyes he got caught.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Contrary to popular believes the sharingan can and has been shown to be capable of tracking/evading Ei movement.
Ei usually attacks head on. In a straight line

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^^^ Bee blocks

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Head on. Minato evades

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^^^ Madara blocks

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Sasuke Evade's

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^^^Same thing can be said about his father

Sasuke has already mentioned that any form of head on/straight line movement isn't a problem for him and the sharingan and he evaded bee v1 form. A form that may not be as fast as Ei's (although sasuke managed to evade Ei later), but fast enough for sasuke to acknowledge his speed.

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Whether Sasuke's speed/reaction was boosted by absorbing orochimaru or the cs2 at the time the 3rd db was published where he gained a 4.5 is something admittedly i don't know and i doubt he gained a reaction speed increase after these abilities were removed, so most likely his reaction speed of 4.5 with aid of the sharingan was enough. If that is the case another sharingan with higher reaction speed should be able to replicate his feat and even better.

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Its true Sasuke used amaterasu entenka as a precaution agains't raikage speed, however to my knowledge raikage's movement isn't as unorthodox as gated gai, even when he is in V2 his attack pattern/movement has still shown to be more or less the same. At first i just went along with the masses which is unlike me but recently i have been skeptical whether v2 increases his speed (ability to go from point a to b, shunshin) or just his reaction speed. Regardless, the use of the exclamation mark which denote surprise/sudden movement from a person who has been caught off guard/blitzed doesn't appear to have been used on sasuke, but also managed to protect himself well enough with amaterasu entenka before raikge could strike leads me to belief that he is indeed was capable of reacting even to v2, but as a precaution decided to use this move.

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So Sasuke has canonically managed to react to v1 ei was evading him and stabbing him.
Later canonically again, managed to react this time to v2 ei and cloud his susanoo with amaterasu before ei could strike.

Ei head strong straight movement will be Ei's downfall as he closes the gap enough for sharingan genjutsu which is instantly executed. Same applies with tsukuyomi

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Likewise his ability to get into a taijutsu/ninjutsu duel and still capable of using sharingan genjutsu instantly also means he can hold ei off and produce an illusion instantly.

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Its impressive to be able to do this.
What is however more impressive is the ability to be able to produce an illusion that acts as a continuation of the battle/reality. As a perfect jin along with itachi's guidance bee managed to evade the real life attack in time. Ei 's neither a perfect jin, but also itachi obviously isn't going to give him any guidance. Any form of reality simulation illusion that acts as a continuation of their battle, i don't believe Ei has the intelligence to tell the difference.

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As for those claiming Ei fought agains't 5 clones. That may be true, but it doesn't tell the full picture.

• Majority of that fight was off panel
• It was more of a susanoo assault than Madara who's main fighting style is ninjutsu (though he can use genjutsu) trying to initiate an illusion with any of the 5 kages.
  He isn't as subtle with illusions as itachi has shown to be

Itachi Mid diff

Anyway anybody who tries to refute this is free to do so.
However i don't intend on coming back for various reasons.

I do think Itachi wins, but the sharingan cannot keep up with Ay in V2. All of those scans you linked had Ay in V1 lightning shroud.

 

[LuckyMan]

Well... Gaara looked on Madara's eyes when he noticed he was not an Edo and did not got caught in genjutsu. Oonoki looked in his eyes and did not got caught. Every instance when someone looked on Itachi's eyes he got caught.

In every instance where visual genjutsu was used the opponent was at least 5 meters from the caster. This fight starts at 50 meters. Once Ay goes Ration Armor its over. Itachi can't track his speed so his eyes will never lock on someone like Ay.

 

[Masked man]

Maybe it depends on first attack.. Who attacks first would win.
But I think Itachi is able to create a clone before Raikage goes V2 mode so he has better chance to win..

 

[Draegod]

Contrary to popular believes the sharingan can and has been shown to be capable of tracking/evading Ei movement.
Ei usually attacks head on. In a straight line

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^^^ Bee blocks

Bee stops an obvious Standard non body in motion for Lightning release Body flicker Punch foward. Aye was not even close to using a Body flicker blow.

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Head on. Minato evades

Minato Has FTG and reaction and Reflexes are one of the best in the manga. SO what's your point? Unless you are saying Itachi is faster then FTG to escape, or has better reflexes?

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^^^ Madara blocks

Madara>>>Itachi in every aspect besides Genjutsu. Itachi doesnt even compare, yet Even Madara only had time to block a Regular Lightning release body flicker punch instead of resorting to blocking with Susanoo. Aye was testing and wasn't even close to being at his fastest.

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Sasuke Evade's

And yet again, striking speed does not equal Movement speed. Sasuke blocked a non in shunshin motion Aye elbow.

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^^^Same thing can be said about his father

Kabuto was in control and did not even use the Raiton Body flicker to attack Naruto since he stated he needed Naruto alive (didn't wont to kill). And even then are you saying Itachi is a Sage mode level Sensor and every other ninja can equally sage mode sense as well? If not, moving on..

Sasuke has already mentioned that any form of head on/straight line movement isn't a problem for him and the sharingan and he evaded bee v1 form. A form that may not be as fast as Ei's (although sasuke managed to evade Ei later), but fast enough for sasuke to acknowledge his speed.

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He didn't say any form, he stated "Bee's." And even then, Bee did not attack with a Shunshin since he was not on land to preform a Shunshin, he simply Jumped at sasuke to attack in the air (no land under feet to run on). Plus Bee and Aye does not equal in speed, and Aye has cannonly been faster then Sasuke's eyes so again a moot point.

Whether Sasuke's speed/reaction was boosted by absorbing orochimaru or the cs2 at the time the 3rd db was published where he gained a 4.5 is something admittedly i don't know and i doubt he gained a reaction speed increase after these abilities were removed, so most likely his reaction speed of 4.5 with aid of the sharingan was enough. If that is the case another sharingan with higher reaction speed should be able to replicate his feat and even better.

Irrelevant since there is no Databook scores for any of the ninjas you you mention to compare with (MS sasuke, Bee, Aye, EMS/rinnegan madara, 3rd rikage, SM Naruto war arc etc etc).

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Its true Sasuke used amaterasu entenka as a precaution agains't raikage speed, however to my knowledge raikage's movement isn't as unorthodox as gated gai, even when he is in V2 his attack pattern/movement has still shown to be more or less the same. At first i just went along with the masses which is unlike me but recently i have been skeptical whether v2 increases his speed (ability to go from point a to b, shunshin) or just his reaction speed. Regardless, the use of the exclamation mark which denote surprise/sudden movement from a person who has been caught off guard/blitzed doesn't appear to have been used on sasuke, but also managed to protect himself well enough with amaterasu entenka before raikge could strike leads me to belief that he is indeed was capable of reacting even to v2, but as a precaution decided to use this move.

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No it is fact he had no idea where Aye was and was simply smart to use Enton (something itachi cannot do) to protect blind spots. His head was foward when Aye was behind him, nuff said.

So Sasuke has canonically managed to react to v1 ei was evading him and stabbing him.
Later canonically again, managed to react this time to v2 ei and cloud his susanoo with amaterasu before ei could strike.

Having Enton and using it in your blind spot in advance does not equal you reacting to some one especially since it failed to connect with Aye, and aye volunteered and touched the flames. Sasuke head and eyes were literally the wrong way, nothing to talk about. And with itachi having nothing to compare with Enton, there is definitely nothing to talk about.

Ei head strong/straight movement will be Ei's downfall as he closes the gap enough for sharingan genjutsu which is instantly executed. Same applies with tsukuyomi

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Bee had never fought nor researched on GEnjutsu and literally didnt care and was not phased (while in the genjutsu solo'd sasuke. lmao). Aye literally fought 5 EMS users who are smarter better in combat and out number itachi. He literally fought and was aware of the sharingan, MS, EMS, rinnegan. And you're comparing him to Bee who didn't know nor cared since he is a "perfect jin who doesn't get affected?"

Likewise itachi's ability to get into a taijutsu/ninjutsu duel and still capable of using sharingan genjutsu instantly also means he can hold ei off and produce an illusion instantly.

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Again you're assuming Aye will stay still and Attempt to stay in one spot while Itachi does Fodder level fire jutsu. Bee and Aye does not fight the same, nor will aye look in his eyes willingly (fact of manga no disputing).

Its impressive to be able to do this.
What is however more impressive is the ability to be able to produce an illusion that acts as a continuation of the battle/reality. As a perfect jin along with itachi's guidance bee managed to evade the real life attack in time. Ei 's neither a perfect jin, but also itachi obviously isn't going to give him any guidance. Any form of reality simulation illusion that acts as a continuation of their battle, i don't believe Ei has the intelligence to tell the difference.

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With Ayes control over his "Bijuu level chakra" he will instantly break out of any reality altering genjutsu. And that's if Aye decides to stay in one spot and look directly in itachi's eyes the entire time with out doing his style of fighting. And with itachi making it obv it is a Reality changing genjutsu (attempting to make the target go cravy, burn like paper, turn into crows etc etc, it will be obv)

As for those claiming Ei fought agains't 5 clones. That may be true, but it doesn't tell the full picture.

• Majority of that fight was off panel
• It was more of a susanoo assault than Madara who's main fighting style is ninjutsu (though he can use genjutsu) trying to initiate an illusion with any of the 5 kages.
  He isn't as subtle with illusions as itachi has shown to be

MAdara is lightyears overall better then Itachi in COmbat in general, to suggest he wouldn't try to catch them all in genjutsu every moment he could (which is fact once he saw the opening on aye, what did he use?). Madara is also faster and smarter in combat then Itachi. Yet non of that mattered to Aye who with one arm was owning 5 EMS users no diff. Madara was "destroyed by Hindura" off pane yet everyone knows/thinks he was obliterated. Minato defeated or best A and bee off panel, Tobirama defeated and fought Madara and his brother off panel ec etc etc Do I need to go on?

Itachi Mid diff

Anyway anybody who tries to refute this is free to do so.
However i don't intend on coming back for various reasons.

Striking Speed is not even close to movement speed so 90% of your post is null and void bruh. Hyugas Striking speed is only second to Guy, are they equally as fast?

 

[Forbidden Technique]

At what instance did Ay completely elude the sharingan long enough to even attempt at suggesting Itachi wouldn't be able to eventually track Ay's very linear movements and capture him in visual genjutsu?

V2 Ay was given plenty of time to charge up his chakra in order to obtain the speed to shunshin away from Amaterasu spawn point. Yet Sasuke was able to eventually track him right before he could land his attack.

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Need I mention this was a very premature MS Sasuke...? Itachi is obviously much more proficient then Sasuke at this point in nearly every category pertaining to almost everything. The fact that Sasuke was able to track a charged up V2 Ay fast enough to give him time to activate Enton means Itachi will, at the very least, easily be able to instantly activate his susano'o fast enough to defend himself against Ay; considering he did so against Kirin which hits the ground at 1/1000th of a second. So it's not like he constantly needs to waist his chakra keeping susano'o active. And this is all under the assumption that Ay gets to even charge up his chakra that long. Anyways, Itachi should be able to track Ay's movement in a quicker manner then Sasuke - assuming he isn't in his near blind state, which would be stupid. Capturing him within genjutsu is imminent given these factors, as well as the fact that Ay is extremely linear with all his CQC approaches.

 

[Haizaki]

At what instance did Ay completely elude the sharingan long enough to even attempt at suggesting Itachi wouldn't be able to eventually track Ay's very linear movements and capture him in visual genjutsu?

V2 Ay was given plenty of time to charge up his chakra in order to obtain the speed to shunshin away from Amaterasu spawn point. Yet Sasuke was able to eventually track him right before he could land his attack.

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Need I mention this was a very premature MS Sasuke...? Itachi is obviously much more proficient then Sasuke at this point in nearly every category pertaining to almost everything. The fact that Sasuke was able to track a charged up V2 Ay fast enough to give him time to activate Enton means Itachi will, at the very least, easily be able to instantly activate his susano'o fast enough to defend himself against Ay; considering he did so against Kirin which hits the ground at 1/1000th of a second. So it's not like he constantly needs to waist his chakra keeping susano'o active. And this is all under the assumption that Ay gets to even charge up his chakra that long. Anyways, Itachi should be able to track Ay's movement in a quicker manner then Sasuke - assuming he isn't in his near blind state, which would be stupid. Capturing him within genjutsu is imminent given these factors, as well as the fact that Ay is extremely linear with all his CQC approaches.

Ahh I once analyzed it bro and I doubt Sasuke tracked him:

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He's shown looking towards a different direction first when the Flames where activated which shows that it was just a coincidence actually. You can see the Raikage is surprised which shows he did pause the attack.

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Sasuke looked backwards but Ay paused his attack before Sasuke looked as shown with his leg in the top left scan I posted. The blue arrow shows him looking towards a different direction when Enton surrounded his ribcage while the Raikage was set to attack. The fact that he was looking towards a different location when enton was used pretty much shows that he didn't do that because he could track Ay but rather because he couldn't. The 2 red arrows show the stages. Ay paused and Sasuke looked back further showing that Ay wasn't moving when Sasuke looked at him. If not, Sasuke would have been hit there. The purple arrow and the blue arrow shows Sasuke looking at 2 different directions even with the blue arrow showing that Ay was already there to attack him. Karin pretty much emphasizes on it by saying "Even if you can't follow"

 

[Draegod]

Ahh I once analyzed it bro and I doubt Sasuke tracked him:

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He's shown looking towards a different direction first when the Flames where activated which shows that it was just a coincidence actually. You can see the Raikage is surprised which shows he did pause the attack.

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Sasuke looked backwards but Ay paused his attack before Sasuke looked as shown with his leg in the top left scan I posted. The blue arrow shows him looking towards a different direction when Enton surrounded his ribcage while the Raikage was set to attack. The fact that he was looking towards a different location when enton was used pretty much shows that he didn't do that because he could track Ay but rather because he couldn't. The 2 red arrows show the stages. Ay paused and Sasuke looked back further showing that Ay wasn't moving when Sasuke looked at him. If not, Sasuke would have been hit there. The purple arrow and the blue arrow shows Sasuke looking at 2 different directions even with the blue arrow showing that Ay was already there to attack him. Karin pretty much emphasizes on it by saying "Even if you can't follow"

OMG Thank you bro for doing the work yet again in showing them the manga proof in detail (dem Itachi fans I tell ya) what really happened panel for panel. FT still my niguh though! lmao

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Ahh I once analyzed it bro and I doubt Sasuke tracked him:

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He's shown looking towards a different direction first when the Flames where activated which shows that it was just a coincidence actually. You can see the Raikage is surprised which shows he did pause the attack.

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Sasuke looked backwards but Ay paused his attack before Sasuke looked as shown with his leg in the top left scan I posted. The blue arrow shows him looking towards a different direction when Enton surrounded his ribcage while the Raikage was set to attack. The fact that he was looking towards a different location when enton was used pretty much shows that he didn't do that because he could track Ay but rather because he couldn't. The 2 red arrows show the stages. Ay paused and Sasuke looked back further showing that Ay wasn't moving when Sasuke looked at him. If not, Sasuke would have been hit there. The purple arrow and the blue arrow shows Sasuke looking at 2 different directions even with the blue arrow showing that Ay was already there to attack him. Karin pretty much emphasizes on it by saying "Even if you can't follow"

So you're essentially telling me that Ay shunshin'ing at full speed is capabable of pausing his attack...? You understand that momentum and the laws of motion aren't going to allow him to pause at a dead stop, right? He didn't even plant his heel (which would imply his intention of stopping)... the panel showcases Ay taking a step forward at full speed. So the position of his foot isn't supporting or strengthening this claim that Ay paused his attack at full speed number one. Number two, the fact that Ay proceeded to strike Sasuke anyway, despite the Enton shield, doesn't support the notion of Ay pausing at the enton spawn. He has obviously seen Enton/Amaterasu before so this was nothing new to him. Ay is fully capabable of

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in mid-motion (as any ninja) so if he was ever considering to stop his attack, he would of done so without having to pause, think about it, then proceed. Everything happened in one fluid motion. Again, Ay's attacks are extremely linear. If he isn't seen directly within a humans 114 degrees of vision, chances are he's coming from the back no homo. Sasuke caught on and tracked him from behind.

Yes, Ay shunshin'd out of Sasukes sight so fast that the sharingan couldn't follow. Thus why Sasuke immediately activated his enton shield which nulled any directioned Ay was coming from. Doesn't directly imply with a concrete fact that Sasuke didn't track him at the last second (as shown in the manga).

Lastly, Ay was given the chance to charge up his chakra to obtain that level of speed, as I previously stated. Getting that chance against Itachi isn't a guarantee.

OMG Thank you bro for doing the work yet again in showing them the manga proof in detail (dem Itachi fans I tell ya) what really happened panel for panel. FT still my niguh though! lmao

Lol, ya'll gon' learn... one day.

 

[Haizaki]

So you're essentially telling me that Ay shunshin'ing at full speed is capabable of pausing his attack...? You understand that momentum and the laws of motion aren't going to allow him to pause at a dead stop, right? He didn't even plant his heel (which would imply his intention of stopping)... the panel showcases Ay taking a step forward at full speed. So the position of his foot isn't supporting or strengthening this claim that Ay paused his attack at full speed number one. Number two, the fact that Ay proceeded to strike Sasuke anyway, despite the Enton shield, doesn't support the notion of Ay pausing at the enton spawn. He has obviously seen Enton/Amaterasu before so this was nothing new to him. Ay is fully capabable of

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in mid-motion (as any ninja) so if he was ever considering to stop his attack, he would of done so without having to pause, think about it, then proceed. Everything happened in one fluid motion. Again, Ay's attacks are extremely linear. If he isn't seen directly in front of you, chances are he's coming from the back no homo. Sasuke caught on and tracked him from behind.

Lol @the bold haha

Makes sense but I do believe from that scan, he definitely paused or at least slowed down. When you look at the yellow box, you see the symbol showing an impact was made which resulted from Ay trying to reduce his speed as you see the arrow as well as some tiny rocks showing what was created. Taking a step forward doesn't cause such tbh as one can also use the side to alter his momentum

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I do see what you mean regarding the heel and the mental reaction bit but consider the impact made as well as the fact that Karin made emphasis on Sasuke defending himself if he can't follow A's speed. That should indicate to us given the scenario that was at play, that Sasuke most likely couldn't follow it.

Do Consider the fact that Sasuke was seen looking for him when he was already behind him so he wasn't following him

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C and Karin could mentally think to themselves before Sasuke could turn back as well as before the Raikage could attack Sasuke..Logically speaking, that should mean C and Karin as well can react to the Raikage's V2 speed before his attack can be completed considering the fact that C could also tell the shape was altered and all. That actually doesn't sound right when you think of the fact that all that was done when the Raikage was already behind Sasuke..Which means they could mentally think before he could move any further.

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Next we see Karin as well being surprised mentally thinking to herself again "Huh" after Sasuke was the hit..Which means she saw what happened at first before being surprised.

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Yes, Ay shunshin'd out of Sasukes sight so fast that the sharingan couldn't follow. Thus why Sasuke immediately activated his enton shield which nulled any directioned Ay was coming from. Doesn't directly imply with a concrete fact that Sasuke didn't track him at the last second (as shown in the manga).

Well considering how Karin emphasized on "Even if Sasuke couldn't track it"..I really do believe that the Enton covering his whole body was due to that.

Lastly, Ay was given the chance to charge up his chakra to obtain that level of speed, as I previously stated. Getting that chance against Itachi isn't a guarantee.

True true

Well Itachi's case really depends but he definitely needs Susanoo on to fight V2 Ay.

 

[Variab0ssX]

Ay wins because the only Uchiha I enjoy slurping on is Obito