Third Raikage vs Kabuto!

[Nattana]

Ribcage Susanoo's blade, sure, forgot about that. That'd mean Kabuto can cut something stronger than that, but Raikage is more durable than V3 Susanoo........so still not a good feat.

So which Susano'o is 3rd's defense on par with? And how much stronger should Kabuto's CScalpels be?

 

[KidGamer65]

So which Susano'o is 3rd's defense on par with? And how much stronger should Kabuto's CScalpels be?

Below V4, above V3. In between basically, and he'd probably be able to do minor damage to a Ribcage, and even that's a stretch. Senjutsu Chakra makes it stronger, but not enough to gap the bridge between Susanoo's sword and Susanoo itself.

 

[Nattana]

Below V4, above V3. In between basically, and he'd probably be able to do minor damage to a Ribcage, and even that's a stretch. Senjutsu Chakra makes it stronger, but not enough to gap the bridgeI between Susanoo's sword and Susanoo itself.

Aren't Susano'o and its sword made out of the same chakra?... The only difference should be that Susano'o is thicker, meaning it's proportionally more difficult to get past it.

 

[Apêx1]

Kabuto low-mid diff.

 

[KidGamer65]

Aren't Susano'o and its sword made out of the same chakra?... The only difference should be that Susano'o is thicker, meaning it's proportionally more difficult to get past it.

Doesn't matter if they are made from the same chakra. All Susanoo are made of the same chakra, yet PS is far more durable than a Ribcage, not just proportionally more difficult to get past.

Tsunade's chakra scalpel cut a Susanoo blade, yet it took her a punch and a kick, her strongest attacks, to get past a Ribcage.

 

[Nattana]

Doesn't matter if they are made from the same chakra. All Susanoo are made of the same chakra, yet PS is far more durable than a Ribcage, not just proportionally more difficult to get past.

Tsunade's chakra scalpel cut a Susanoo blade, yet it took her a punch and a kick, her strongest attacks, to get past a Ribcage.

I'm not comparing PS to Ribcage, but Ribcage Susano'o to Ribcage Susano'o's sword. It is the same chakra.

Also, throughout the manga there hasn't been a single example of Chakra Scalpels being used as a piercing weapon to cause external wounds. They are only used to slash. And there was no way Tsunade could bisect Susano'o, since her scalpels weren't long enough.

And where did you find info about Chakra Scalpels being weaker than Tsunade's punches and kicks? Obviously they have different usage and Chakra Scalpels aren't meant for fights that require a lot of movement (else their effectiveness drops), but in terms of on-point damage, used by proficient medical ninja, they are very powerful.

 

[RedRobin]

Doesn't matter if they are made from the same chakra. All Susanoo are made of the same chakra, yet PS is far more durable than a Ribcage, not just proportionally more difficult to get past.

Tsunade's chakra scalpel cut a Susanoo blade, yet it took her a punch and a kick, her strongest attacks, to get past a Ribcage.

She attacking in different ways. The chop was more focused towards cutting while her punches are used for blunt damage.

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she focuses her power in one tiny place and she was able to make a crack in the floor as opposed to destroyed the whole ground.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not comparing PS to Ribcage, but Ribcage Susano'o to Ribcage Susano'o's sword. It is the same chakra.

Like I said. It's all the same chakra. Doesn't matter what Susanoo variant you compare.

Also, throughout the manga there hasn't been a single example of Chakra Scalpels being used as a piercing weapon to cause external wounds. They are only used to slash. And there was no way Tsunade could bisect Susano'o, since her scalpels weren't long enough.

So? Why would she need to bisect Susanoo to cut into it? That's like saying Sasuke needs to cut bisect someone to cut into their flesh with his sword. If she could have gotten past Susanoo with a chakra scalpel, she would have done so.

And where did you find info about Chakra Scalpels being weaker than Tsunade's punches and kicks?

Tsunade attacks Susanoo with punches and kicks instead of using her chakra scalpel, meaning her chakra scalpel isn't as powerful.

Obviously they have different usage and Chakra Scalpels aren't meant for fights that require a lot of movement (else their effectiveness drops), but in terms of on-point damage, used by proficient medical ninja, they are very powerful.

Having different usages is irrelevant, and if you are good enough, you can use it in combat, like Tsunade and Kabuto have already done.

 

[KidGamer65]

She attacking in different ways. The chop was more focused towards cutting while her punches are used for blunt damage.

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she focuses her power in one tiny place and she was able to make a crack in the floor as opposed to destroyed the whole ground.

Attacking in different ways doesn't matter, because one is still stronger than the other. If Chakra Scalpel was stronger, she would have used that to breach Susanoo instead of wasting time punching it.

 

[RedRobin]

Attacking in different ways doesn't matter, because one is still stronger than the other. If Chakra Scalpel was stronger, she would have used that to breach Susanoo instead of wasting time punching it.

It does matter. As I stated before she didnt know if she would break it with her punch, didnt work, she switched to a kick and that was effective.

 

[KidGamer65]

It does matter.

Except it doesn't. It deals damage. That is all that matters. Chakra Scalpel is even more focused than her punch is, yet she still went for the punch...meaning the punch is stronger.

As I stated before she didnt know if she would break it with her punch, didnt work, she switched to a kick and that was effective.

And even after that she still uses her physical strength to damage Susanoo, not her chakra scalpel, because her chakra scalpel obviously isn't stronger than her punch or her kick. I don't even know what feats you guys are basing this off of anyway. Chakra scalpel's best feat is cutting Ribcage Susanoo's blade. Tsunade broke V3 Susanoo blades with her bare hands, but those same hands couldn't damage the Susanoo they came with. Not even a feat. Her punch and her kick each deal moderate damage to an enlarged Ribcage.

Punch or Kick>>>Chakra Scalpel.

 

[Nattana]

Like I said. It's all the same chakra. Doesn't matter what Susanoo variant you compare.

So you're saying that different parts of Susano'o have different chakra quantities in them, making them stronger/weaker than one another? If yes, then it would make sense, but still, a weapon has to be just as strong as the armor, since the weapon is taking the damage impact every time it hits its target, just like when you hit something with your hand - both you and that something take the same damage.

So? Why would she need to bisect Susanoo to cut into it? That's like saying Sasuke needs to cut bisect someone to cut into their flesh with his sword. If she could have gotten past Susanoo with a chakra scalpel, she would have done so.

Tsunade attacks Susanoo with punches and kicks instead of using her chakra scalpel, meaning her chakra scalpel isn't as powerful.

Having different usages is irrelevant, and if you are good enough, you can use it in combat, like Tsunade and Kabuto have already done.

Don't compare Tsunade to Kabuto. Prime Tsunade admitted inferiority to P1 Kabuto in terms of Chakra Scalpels' strength. The same Kabuto

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Obviously Kabuto got much more proficient with using them, since we all saw what he did to Itachi.

So it's not surprising Tsunade went for kicks and punches against Madara, since they are much easier to execute, while she resorted to Chakra Scalpel only during the moment she was standing still pierced by Susano'o.

 

[RedRobin]

Except it doesn't. It deals damage. That is all that matters. Chakra Scalpel is even more focused than her punch is, yet she still went for the punch...meaning the punch is stronger.



And even after that she still uses her physical strength to damage Susanoo, not her chakra scalpel, because her chakra scalpel obviously isn't stronger than her punch or her kick. I don't even know what feats you guys are basing this off of anyway. Chakra scalpel's best feat is cutting Ribcage Susanoo's blade. Tsunade broke V3 Susanoo blades with her bare hands, but those same hands couldn't damage the Susanoo they came with. Not even a feat. Her punch and her kick each deal moderate damage to an enlarged Ribcage.

Punch or Kick>>>Chakra Scalpel.

Of course it deals damage but Tsunade wouldnt use a punch if she was trying to cut something. A chakra scalpel wouldnt have been effective enough compared to her Kick/Punch in wanting to destroy all of the susano.

I dont think we see how she broke the two susano swords, she removes two of them from her abdomen with her bare hands.

 

[KidGamer65]

So you're saying that different parts of Susano'o have different chakra quantities in them, making them stronger/weaker than one another? If yes, then it would make sense, but still, a weapon has to be just as strong as the armor, since the weapon is taking the damage impact every time it hits its target, just like when you hit something with your hand - both you and that something take the same damage.

I hope you aren't implying what I think you are implying...and no, a weapon doesn't need to be as strong as the armor. The weapon being strong enough to strike something=/=weapon being as strong as the armor. Not even seeing how you are making this correlation. That only means that the force that is applied on the weapon every time it hits something is weaker than what would be needed to break the sword. Has nothing to do with the armor.

Don't compare Tsunade to Kabuto. Prime Tsunade admitted inferiority to P1 Kabuto in terms of Chakra Scalpels' strength. The same Kabuto

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Obviously Kabuto got much more proficient with using them, since we all saw what he did to Itachi.

Where did she say that? Cause I only remember her saying that he's more talented. Even if that is what he said, there is still absolutely no proof from your side that he'd jump from a level where he cuts Susanoo swords, to cutting the actual Susanoo itself.

So it's not surprising Tsunade went for kicks and punches against Madara, since they are much easier to execute, while she resorted to Chakra Scalpel only during the moment she was standing still pierced by Susano'o.

Except her attacking Susanoo requires no excessive movement bar the movement it takes for her to get the position where she needs to strike it, unlike when she was in her Taijutsu fight like Kabuto, where they were both moving throughout the whole fight.

Of course it deals damage but Tsunade wouldnt use a punch if she was trying to cut something. A chakra scalpel wouldnt have been effective enough compared to her Kick/Punch in wanting to destroy all of the susano.

I dont think we see how she broke the two susano swords, she removes two of them from her abdomen with her bare hands.

If it were strong enough, it would have gotten past, and cut Madara, and damaging him heavily enough puts him in a dead state, which lets them seal him. Not to mention it'd create an actual opening where the others can strike, instead of just a crack.

You're right about the last part though.

 

[Nattana]

I hope you aren't implying what I think you are implying...and no, a weapon doesn't need to be as strong as the armor. The weapon being strong enough to strike something=/=weapon being as strong as the armor. Not even seeing how you are making this correlation. That only means that the force that is applied on the weapon every time it hits something is weaker than what would be needed to break the sword. Has nothing to do with the armor.

I didn't mean it had to be EXACTLY as strong as the armor. But if the sword had much less chakra poured into it, it would've been useless. Why do you think normal swords are made out of steel etc. and not of wood? The weapon itself has to be resistant to damage just as much as the armor. For example, you can easily hit a wall with your hand hard enough, to make it break your bones.

Where did she say that? Cause I only remember her saying that he's more talented. Even if that is what he said, there is still absolutely no proof from your side that he'd jump from a level where he cuts Susanoo swords, to cutting the actual Susanoo itself.

She said to herself that Kabuto's strength was superior to hers in her prime after she had been hit by Kabuto's scalpels. Obviously she wasn't talking about physical strength, since Kabuto didn't have Senju superhuman power like Tsunade did.

Except her attacking Susanoo requires no excessive movement bar the movement it takes for her to get the position where she needs to strike it, unlike when she was in her Taijutsu fight like Kabuto, where they were both moving throughout the whole fight.

During their Taijutsu fight Kabuto wasn't using scalpels. He only turned them on when he caught Tsunade offguard. And still he said using it during movement reduces its power. So it's obvious that Tsunade would go for something much safer - like punches and kicks, rather than for scalpels that might or might've not succeeded.

 

[KidGamer65]

I didn't mean it had to be EXACTLY as strong as the armor. But if the sword had much less chakra poured into it, it would've been useless.

Except it does have MUCH less chakra poured into it. You can tell that by looks alone as Susanoo is pure chakra.

Why do you think normal swords are made out of steel etc. and not of wood? The weapon itself has to be resistant to damage just as much as the armor. For example, you can easily hit a wall with your hand hard enough, to make it break your bones.

Lol, no. Why do you keep trying to correlate the armor with the sword? The sword is made to be resistant to damage period, nothing to do with the armor.

Except that example is the same as the one you've already mentioned, and they are both invalid and irrelevant here for the same reasons. That only means that the body needs to be able to take the force you are exerting unless you want to break your hand, just how the sword needs to be durable enough to take the amount of force it's exerting, otherwise it'll break. Nothing to do with armor here. Nothing implies that Susanoo's swords are anywhere near as durable as Susanoo's body.

She said to herself that Kabuto's strength was superior to hers in her prime after she had been hit by Kabuto's scalpels. Obviously she wasn't talking about physical strength, since Kabuto didn't have Senju superhuman power like Tsunade did.

Overall strength=/=Strength of chakra scalpels. Why don't you just post the scan?

During their Taijutsu fight Kabuto wasn't using scalpels. He only turned them on when he caught Tsunade offguard. And still he said using it during movement reduces its power. So it's obvious that Tsunade would go for something much safer - like punches and kicks, rather than for scalpels that might or might've not succeeded.

Still no evidence that chakra scalpel>Her punches.

 

[madvictory]

The Third Raikage survived a Bijuudama.
Kabuto fainted and was about to die when he got punched by someone even weaker than Ay.

The Third Raikage wins. He's not getting pierced by Kabuto, especially because only he can harm (not kill) himself.

 

[madvictory]

Except it does have MUCH less chakra poured into it. You can tell that by looks alone as Susanoo is pure chakra.




Lol, no. Why do you keep trying to correlate the armor with the sword? The sword is made to be resistant to damage period, nothing to do with the armor.

Except that example is the same as the one you've already mentioned, and they are both invalid and irrelevant here for the same reasons. That only means that the body needs to be able to take the force you are exerting unless you want to break your hand, just how the sword needs to be durable enough to take the amount of force it's exerting, otherwise it'll break. Nothing to do with armor here. Nothing implies that Susanoo's swords are anywhere near as durable as Susanoo's body.



Overall strength=/=Strength of chakra scalpels. Why don't you just post the scan?




Still no evidence that chakra scalpel>Her punches.

The Raikage wins. Believe me.

 

[KidGamer65]

^ Lol, I think I'll stick with Kabuto.

 

[Conspirator.]

Kabuto takes it mid diff.