Third Raikage vs Kabuto!

[Lariatoo]

Kabutos Sage mode is not infinite.

Well...
By feats and hype...
It kind of is...
Heck, when he snapped out of Izanami and went to revive Sasuke he was still on Sage Mode... XD

 

[Transcendence]

But that's assuming the Chakra scalpel is powerful enough to reach the insides of the 3rd Raikage's body. It's mechanics are similar to the Gentle Fist, but its power clearly pales in comparison. Gentle Fist seems to be capable of penetrating anything regardless of defence/density, Chakra scalpel cannot based on the fact that it could not reach Tsunade's heart with a single hand. Senjutsu enhancement may allow him to penetrate her breast (no sexual innuendo intended) but it won't be penetrating something as dense as the Raikage's body.

Hmm..

This match-up is a lot more balanced than I thought. While Kabuto has the techniques to put him in a position to damage the Raikage, fundamentally damaging him is much more troublesome.

 

[Apêx1]

Hmm..

This match-up is a lot more balanced than I thought. While Kabuto has the techniques to put him in a position to damage the Raikage, fundamentally damaging him is much more troublesome.

Indeed, I'm starting to actually think the Raikage can take this.

 

[Nattana]

Hmm..

This match-up is a lot more balanced than I thought. While Kabuto has the techniques to put him in a position to damage the Raikage, fundamentally damaging him is much more troublesome.

This match-up isn't balanced at all. Just because we're discussing Chakra Scalpels doesn't change the fact that Kabuto shits on 3rd nonetheless.

 

[Transcendence]

Indeed, I'm starting to actually think the Raikage can take this.

Kabuto isn't tanking a Nukite and he can't damage the Third. Only problem is actually hitting Kabuto because of his superior reflexes and Sage Mode. But then again, it becomes a battle of attrition and the Third has superior reserves given he fought and stalemated a Bijuu AND (separate feat) fended off 10000 Shinobi.

This match-up isn't balanced at all. Just because we're discussing Chakra Scalpels doesn't change the fact that Kabuto shits on 3rd nonetheless.

What does Kabuto have to actually damage the Third? He isn't outlasting him, and all of his attacks are either too weak, or are finesse based, like the Sound 5 techniques.

 

[Haizaki]

Your scan is irrelevant. Wanna know why? The red box scan shows her left hand make a fist. While she couldn't have fist-hit the sword, because if you look at the first panel, the angle is not right. She obviously had to make use a slashing attack. So whether a scalpel or not, it doesn't change the fact that your arguments are simply bad.

HAHAHAHAHA @theBold is where I know you're silly because you're not even sure that it was a scapel but just assuming. My arguments show that you're only assuming with your nonsensical logic.

The red box showing her hand making a fist is even confirmation that THERE WAS NEVER ANYTHING TO SHOW THAT A SCAPEL WAS USED BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER SHOWN OR EVEN VISIBLE...HENCE IT'S A FLIPPIN ASSUMPTION THAT SHE USED A SCAPEL. Get that in your head. Laughable because there's no doubt I'm the one correct here...You're only assuming she used a scapel when it was never shown and what's funny is you're seriously using the fact that "She couldn't have fist-hit" as an argument so we should then believe a Scapel was used? Funny as hell. How about the fact that she could have broken it with just a slash rather than using a Scapel as no proof shows that she used it...Your arguments are horrific.

1) It wasn't a hit with her first - confirmed.

So? it's confirmed she didn't because we see her hands in the scans I presented..However, you don't have proof as you're saying she deactivated or even used it when it wasn't shown but yet can say she switched to a fist when you can obviously see she did lmaoo

2) One does not need to use full-hand scalpels - confirmed, despite you trying to argue with manga facts.

This assumptions lmaoo...MY POINT WAS IT WAS NEVER VISIBLE OR SHOWN LIKE THE OTHERS..How do you know a Scapel was used in Sakura's and Kabuto's case like you posted? Because it was shown, because there was an SFX to confirm it was used. In Tsunade's case, it wasn't shown or made known to use (SFX wise) so that's an assumption you're coming up with.

3) Tsunade cut the sword and deactivated her scalpel - what is so hard to understand? Why would she have even maintained it for? Applause? You make no sense.

Just wow... I'll put it in capital letters ONCE MORE

THERE'S NO PROOF FOR THE BOLD AS IT WAS NOT SHOWN ACTIVATED OR USED....WHAT'S FUNNY IS THAT THE SAKURA AND KABUTO SCAN SHOW THEM USING IT WITH THEIR FINGERS MEANWHILE TSUNADE'S FINGERS WEREN'T SHOWN WITH ANY...IT WAS NOT VISIBLE AND NO SFX WAS SHOWN TO CONFIRM ANY SCAPEL USED.

EITHER YOU WORK WITH KISH BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY ASSUMING IT WAS USED WHEN IT WAS NEVER EVER SHOWN. How the hell can you say she deactivated it? What? When was it shown in the first place? Damn you can't debate with evidence at all.

4) Lack of 'swooshes' doesn't mean shti, since we are shown the panel where Tsunade hits the sword already, so obviously she had to activate her scalpel offpanel. If she hits someone with her fist, are you gonna say that she didn't just because it wasn't shown how she makes a swing? Stop with your nonsense.

More jokes on your part...She had to activate her scapel off panel? Hahaha what? When something is activated off Panel, it's either shown to us in the next panel or panels to come. If not, it's made known to us. In this case, we can't see it or even tell if it was used but you're only assuming it was. Maybe you should consider the fact that there was no need for it to be off paneled when it wasn't used in the first place. All you're doing is assuming here..If she hits someone with her fist, it's visible to us when she hits afterwards because we can see the hit..When was the Scapel shown? You stop with your rubbish.

 

[Nattana]

What does Kabuto have to actually damage the Third? He isn't outlasting him, and all of his attacks are either too weak, or are finesse based, like the Sound 5 techniques.

Immobilize + Doki's soul devour.
Sakon/Ukon's cellular destruction.
White Rage.
Immobilize + Chakra Draining Seal.

 

[Apêx1]

Kabuto isn't tanking a Nukite and he can't damage the Third. Only problem is actually hitting Kabuto because of his superior reflexes and Sage Mode. But then again, it becomes a battle of attrition and the Third has superior reserves given he fought and stalemated a Bijuu AND (separate feat) fended off 10000 Shinobi.

Agreed. Only thing Kabuto would have is sound Genjutsu and it should be pretty easy for the 3rd to counter that. And hitting Kabuto should not be too hard if we do not appeal to ignorance, and instead grant him black lightning panther. Although I'm sure doing such would cause a shit storm for Kabuto fans.

 

[Nattana]

HAHAHAHAHA @theBold is where I know you're silly because you're not even sure that it was a scapel but just assuming. My arguments show that you're only assuming with your nonsensical logic.

The red box showing her hand making a fist is even confirmation that THERE WAS NEVER ANYTHING TO SHOW THAT A SCAPEL WAS USED BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER SHOWN OR EVEN VISIBLE...HENCE IT'S A FLIPPIN ASSUMPTION THAT SHE USED A SCAPEL. Get that in your head. Laughable because there's no doubt I'm the one correct here...You're only assuming she used a scapel when it was never shown and what's funny is you're seriously using the fact that "She couldn't have fist-hit" as an argument so we should then believe a Scapel was used? Funny as hell. How about the fact that she could have broken it with just a slash rather than using a Scapel as no proof shows that she used it...Your arguments are horrific.



So? it's confirmed she didn't because we see her hands in the scans I presented..However, you don't have proof as you're saying she deactivated or even used it when it wasn't shown but yet can say she switched to a fist when you can obviously see she did lmaoo




This assumptions lmaoo...MY POINT WAS IT WAS NEVER VISIBLE OR SHOWN LIKE THE OTHERS..How do you know a Scapel was used in Sakura's and Kabuto's case like you posted? Because it was shown, because there was an SFX to confirm it was used. In Tsunade's case, it wasn't shown or made known to use (SFX wise) so that's an assumption you're coming up with.



Just wow... I'll put it in capital letters ONCE MORE

THERE'S NO PROOF FOR THE BOLD AS IT WAS NOT SHOWN ACTIVATED OR USED....WHAT'S FUNNY IS THAT THE SAKURA AND KABUTO SCAN SHOW THEM USING IT WITH THEIR FINGERS MEANWHILE TSUNADE'S FINGERS WEREN'T SHOWN WITH ANY...IT WAS NOT VISIBLE AND NO SFX WAS SHOWN TO CONFIRM ANY SCAPEL USED.

EITHER YOU WORK WITH KISH BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY ASSUMING IT WAS USED WHEN IT WAS NEVER EVER SHOWN. How the hell can you say she deactivated it? What? When was it shown in the first place? Damn you can't debate with evidence at all.



More jokes on your part...She had to activate her scapel off panel? Hahaha what? When something is activated off Panel, it's either shown to us in the next panel or panels to come. If not, it's made known to us. In this case, we can't see it or even tell if it was used but you're only assuming it was. Maybe you should consider the fact that there was no need for it to be off paneled when it wasn't used in the first place. All you're doing is assuming here..If she hits someone with her fist, it's visible to us when she hits afterwards because we can see the hit..When was the Scapel shown? You stop with your rubbish.

Raging kid detected. Caps lock detected. Don't bother replying to me anymore, especially that now you're trying to make me forget all the bullshit you had written before - about 'full hand' scalpels only and other things.

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you have Kabuto using chakra scalpels and

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the very next panel. This time there's no sing of any 'swoosh' or shit. So I guess there was no scalpel from the very beginning. Oh, and wait. Look at the second scan. Kabuto has his hand turned into a fist! OH MY GOD. How could he have used a scalpel if in the next scan it's a fist...?

So stop your bullshti. If you need sfx to every single thing that happens in the manga to grab any details, then I suggest you to switch to anime instead.

 

[Transcendence]

Agreed. Only thing Kabuto would have is sound Genjutsu and it should be pretty easy for the 3rd to counter that. And hitting Kabuto should not be too hard if we do not appeal to ignorance, and instead grant him black lightning panther. Although I'm sure doing such would cause a shit storm for Kabuto fans.

Even with Sound Genjutsu, that only gives him an opening. He can't necessarily damage him to begin with. Also, doesn't he have Black Lightning as a given? It was passed down from him to Darui as stated by Darui himself. So that's just another way the Raikage can hit the more mobile Kabuto. It's funny because I actually really like Kabuto as a character Lol. But you can't let bias cloud your judgment in a vs match-up even though I see it happen here all the time.

Immobilize + Doki's soul devour.
Sakon/Ukon's cellular destruction.
White Rage.
Immobilize + Chakra Draining Seal.

Remind me again how any of that is actually going to pierce the Third?

 

[Haizaki]

Raging kid detected. Caps lock detected. Don't bother replying to me anymore, especially that now you're trying to make me forget all the bullshit you had written before - about 'full hand' scalpels only and other things.

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you have Kabuto using chakra scalpels and

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the very next panel. This time there's no sing of any 'swoosh' or shit. So I guess there was no scalpel from the very beginning. Oh, and wait. Look at the second scan. Kabuto has his hand turned into a fist! OH MY GOD. How could he have used a scalpel if in the next scan it's a fist...?

So stop your bullshti. If you need sfx to every single thing that happens in the manga to grab any details, then I suggest you to switch to anime instead.

Raging? Caps Lock? You can't see and I'm laughing at your stupidity

Lmao Kabuto is shown using it here

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so your entire point becomes irrelevant BECASUE THERE'S AN INDICATION THAT IT WAS USED UNLIKE TSUNADE'S CASE....So whether there wasn't any SFX, there was visibility for us to see.

I referred to full hand because of the context and not because on couldn't alter it to their finger only...However, my point here is correct since we never saw it or there wasn't any indication so the full hand was to prove my point of no visibility to the readers.

Lol you're seriously embarrassing yourself..You refer to Kabuto's case but forgot it was shown HAHAHA you're a clown. Not to mention there was an sfx with Kabuto's case as you see those black Japanese symbols when the Chakra comes up

 

[Apêx1]

Even with Sound Genjutsu, that only gives him an opening. He can't necessarily damage him to begin with. Also, doesn't he have Black Lightning as a given? It was passed down from him to Darui as stated by Darui himself. So that's just another way the Raikage can hit the more mobile Kabuto. It's funny because I actually really like Kabuto as a character Lol. But you can't let bias cloud your judgment in a vs match-up even though I see it happen here all the time.

Not even, Raikage can create shockwaves by swinging his hands [

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], he's majorly underrated. Temari blew away Tayuya's genjutsu with her Futon/directional force so I'm sure Sandaime can do the same, albeit with shockwaves/directional force. And same with me, I think Kabuto is one of the most well written characters and is pretty damn boss but his fans just fook shit up for his image.

Remind me again how any of that is actually going to pierce the Third?

He's pursuing a no limits fallacy.
>Implying Doki can debour unlimited amounts of physical energy in a short period of time.
>Implying Ukon's cellular destruction can be used when Sandaime has his Raiton shroud active.
>Implying White Rage lasts indefinitely.
>Implying he can pin down Sandiame to the floor and set up a seal around the Sandaime all before White Rage ends.

Such assumptions, much wows.

 

[Haizaki]

He's pursuing a no limits fallacy.
>Implying Doki can debour unlimited amounts of physical energy in a short period of time.
>Implying Ukon's cellular destruction can be used when Sandaime has his Raiton shroud active.
>Implying White Rage lasts indefinitely.
>Implying he can pin down Sandiame to the floor and set up a seal around the Sandaime all before White Rage ends.

Such assumptions, much wows.

Lol never seen anyone that assumes like that guy...Basically the definition of fan fiction.

 

[Transcendence]

Not even, Raikage can create shockwaves by swinging his hands [

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], he's majorly underrated. Temari blew away Tayuya's genjutsu with her Futon/directional force so I'm sure Sandaime can do the same, albeit with shockwaves/directional force. And same with me, I think Kabuto is one of the most well written characters and is pretty damn boss but his fans just fook shit up for his image.



He's pursuing a no limits fallacy.
>Implying Doki can debour unlimited amounts of physical energy in a short period of time.
>Implying Ukon's cellular destruction can be used when Sandaime has his Raiton shroud active.
>Implying White Rage lasts indefinitely.
>Implying he can pin down Sandiame to the floor and set up a seal around the Sandaime all before White Rage ends.

Such assumptions, much wows.

I did not know that about him, haha. I might have to re-do the former part of my top 20 (so 11-15). I wonder how Sandaime fairs against Kisame? Kisame could definitely react, but Kisame doesn't have anything to put him down and if they dare engage in CQC Nukite annihilates him.

And yeah. Nattana does that all the time.

 

[Nattana]

Raging? Caps Lock? You can't see and I'm laughing at your stupidity

Lmao Kabuto is shown using it here

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so your entire point becomes irrelevant BECASUE THERE'S AN INDICATION THAT IT WAS USED UNLIKE TSUNADE'S CASE....So whether there wasn't any SFX, there was visibility for us to see.

I referred to full hand because of the context and not because on couldn't alter it to their finger only...However, my point here is correct since we never saw it or there wasn't any indication so the full hand was to prove my point of no visibility to the readers.

Lol you're seriously embarrassing yourself..You refer to Kabuto's case but forgot it was shown HAHAHA you're a clown. Not to mention there was an sfx with Kabuto's case as you see those black Japanese symbols when the Chakra comes up

Every single time Kabuto or Sakura used their scalpels there were panels showing them prepare to do something. In Tsunade's case, there was a plot switch from Sasuke+Itachi to the point where Tsunade was already DURING her attack on the sword. It's OBVIOUS that the scan presents ONLY the moment of IMPACT. So there won't be any SFX, because the set-up was obviously off-panel, no matter what Tsunade did.

You said that Tsunade couldn't have used a scalpel because in the red box panel there was no SFX of it disappearing, while during Kabuto vs Oro there was. Then I post you another scan of Kabuto deactivating his scalpels with no signs of any SFX and you're still going on with your bullshit. You can't even hold on to all of your versions. Keep on contradicting yourself.

Your point about full-hand scalpels wasn't made because of any context at all, but only to prove that it wasn't a scalpel Tsunade used, because her hand wasn't fully covered with chakra. I proved you wrong and now you're saying I took it out of context. Go to sleep kid.

 

[Apêx1]

Lol never seen anyone that assumes like that guy...Basically the definition of fan fiction.

Haha, he should change username to "conjecture".

I did not know that about him, haha. I might have to re-do the former part of my top 20 (so 11-15). I wonder how Sandaime fairs against Kisame? Kisame could definitely react, but Kisame doesn't have anything to put him down and if they dare engage in CQC Nukite annihilates him.

And yeah. Nattana does that all the time.

Lol. And I believe Kisame is a bad match-up for him since he can simply drown him and the Raikage can't do anything about it. His Raiton gets absorbed by a fused Kisame. And v1 Bee should be as fast as v1 Sandaime, so Sandaime's shroud gets absorbed like Bee's v1 shroud did. Kisame's just a terrible match-up in my opinion, I'd be more interested in Sandaime vs Hiashi or Deidara since they could go both ways.

Yea, Nattana is basically the Fox news of NB.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kabutos Sage mode is not infinite.

With juugos DNA Kabuto's functions like Sage Art: Amphibian Technique

That's cool and all, but even the frogs SM that you put a scan for is limited depending on that person chakra. Naruto's SM run out when he used 3 FRS.

Also, Naruto was using clones. However, Kabuto does not use that. Lol

Needless to say, Kabuto is talkative, he will get sealed right away anyway. lol

I dont think you read my post, at all. I mean you read it but didn't understand the context.

Why are you mentioning me, I made no comment

GL= good luck. I dont randomly attack forum users. That would just be pathetic. Yet irony to someonr who actually does (not talking about you again).

Hmm..

This match-up is a lot more balanced than I thought. While Kabuto has the techniques to put him in a position to damage the Raikage, fundamentally damaging him is much more troublesome.

I dont have time to rebuttal but this match isn't balanced at all. Too many options of tanking/healing/reviving and reacting. And too many options of killing worst case scenario stealing his body.

 

[LuckyMan]

Well...
By feats and hype...
It kind of is...
Heck, when he snapped out of Izanami and went to revive Sasuke he was still on Sage Mode... XD

Not really. I do get what you're saying though. You could say someone like Kabuto or Jiraiya won't burn out of chakra for the duration of a battle because they have natural energy steadily flowing in them but neither of their SM are literally infinite. They are still using their own chakra in SM too so as they get low on their own chakra, the amount of natural energy they're able to take in gets lower because it needs to balance with the same amount of chakra they have.

 

[Haizaki]

Every single time Kabuto or Sakura used their scalpels there were panels showing them prepare to do something. In Tsunade's case, there was a plot switch from Sasuke+Itachi to the point where Tsunade was already DURING her attack on the sword. It's OBVIOUS that the scan presents ONLY the moment of IMPACT. So there won't be any SFX, because the set-up was obviously off-panel, no matter what Tsunade did.

You said that Tsunade couldn't have used a scalpel because in the red box panel there was no SFX of it disappearing, while during Kabuto vs Oro there was. Then I post you another scan of Kabuto deactivating his scalpels with no signs of any SFX and you're still going on with your bullshit. You can't even hold on to all of your versions. Keep on contradicting yourself.

Your point about full-hand scalpels wasn't made because of any context at all, but only to prove that it wasn't a scalpel Tsunade used, because her hand wasn't fully covered with chakra. I proved you wrong and now you're saying I took it out of context. Go to sleep kid.

Never debated a moron like this in my entire life.. The out of context bit was in reference to the CHakra bit. Seriously, I'm going to reply this ish when I get home...you better have scans of Tsunade using a Scapel against Madara's blade. The mere fact that you have the nerve to say "I proved you wrong" when the burden of proof is on you confirms the fact that I'm debating with an absolute dummy. Read the damn debate all over and see who's been laighed at over and over again.

 

[Lariatoo]

Not really. I do get what you're saying though. You could say someone like Kabuto or Jiraiya won't burn out of chakra for the duration of a battle because they have natural energy steadily flowing in them but neither of their SM are literally infinite. They are still using their own chakra in SM too so as they get low on their own chakra, the amount of natural energy they're able to take in gets lower because it needs to balance with the same amount of chakra they have.

Actually, Im not talking about that...
The thing that makes Kabuto's sage mode so good is not the snage sage mode per se, but the fact that with his experiments on his body he inplanted Juugo's cells upon himself. And with Juugo's cells he can absorb nature chakra passivelly...
Making his chakra essentially limitless.