A plothole, inconsistency or retcon?

[Torche]

Lol There isn't any "plothole, inconsistency, and/or retcon". Your OP is simply fanfiction.

As for your fanfiction, you don't have to obey the laws of the original creator... you could put what you wrote in the OP as your fanfiction and it wouldn't be wrong as you are the author. Your word is law in that creation. Although if you want it somewhat similar to canon you could make Madara - an original Rinnegan wielder capable of sensing, or "distinguishing" the chakra of Ashura/Indra that is present in transmigrations as he has Rikudou Chakra, or Hagoromo's which is present in the Rinnegan and his body.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Madara didn't sense Naruto and Sasuke's chakra cause they do not have Hashirama and Madara's chakra respectively

The only thing that related them to each other was Asura and Indra's soul. Hashirama had his own unique chakra, as did Naruto. Madara had his own unique chakra as did Sasuke

I'm no longer arguing these statements because I've debunked them twice now with links, statements and facts revealed by Hagoromo himself. Either read the scans and use logic and reasoning or move on. The op was about their mentioned chakras, not their souls.

Ashura's soul simply moved from Hashi to Naruto, not his chakra. Indra's soul moved from Madara to Sasuke, not his chakra.

What are you, stupid or just a broken record? Sorry for the ad hominum, but it's very agitating when you debunk something and people still use the same unfounded argument and ignore the data. Not a single thing was said about their souls. It was all chakra in those statements.

If that were the case, Madara would've thought that Sasuke had the same chakra as him, but the only thing he said was that they shared some connection.

Which is why I believe it is either an inconsistency, a plothole or a retcon because it was not elaborated well and contradicted other statements and established principles. I swear, it's like you didn't even read the op, even though it was required for you to know the topic of the thread.

It would've been clear they share the same chakra if Madara said, he seems to have the same chakra as me, but he just said a connection. This connection was Indra's soul transmigrated between them.

Nothing about souls was ever mentioned, only chakra. Your argument is invalid.

So, no, Naruto and Sasuke did not share the same chakra as Hashi and Madara

Based on the scans I've provided, that's a fallacy.

Sharingan can see chakra natures, I doubt it can sense a person's identity like the Byakugan.

What you subjectively doubt is unsupported and irrelevant. Chakra is what it is and we aren't even talking about the sharingan, but the Rinnegan, which Madara activated before Naruto left.

Well, like I said. There were a thousand shinobi present and the Kyuubi hasn't given Naruto chakra at that point. I don't remember ever hearing that it leaked.

It only leaked when Naruto became angry and subconsciously unsealed it.

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Lol There isn't any "plothole, inconsistency, and/or retcon". Your OP is simply fanfiction.

Validate it.

As for your fanfiction, you don't have to obey the laws of the original creator... you could put what you wrote in the OP as your fanfiction and it wouldn't be wrong as you are the author. Your word is law in that creation. Although if you want it somewhat similar to canon you could make Madara - an original Rinnegan wielder capable of sensing, or "distinguishing" the chakra of Ashura/Indra that is present in transmigrations as he has Rikudou Chakra, or Hagoromo's which is present in the Rinnegan and his body.

Why would I need to add that when it was already established? Lols. Though as I said, in the fanficiton I was planning to "fix it."

 

[Lightbringer]

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Yeah that was before his seals changed. It also says it combines with his chakra. So it's same as how Ashura's chakra mixed in with Uzumaki and Namikaze chakra. It's no longer pure and cannot be detected.

Orochimaru messed up the first one and Jiraiya undid Orochimaru's seal. Next, Naruto with the help of his mom subdued Kurama so he can siphon chakra from him on a whim.

It doesn't leak anymore.

 

[Torche]

Validate it.

Why would I need to add that when it was already established? Lols. Though as I said, in the fanficiton I was planning to "fix it."

What is there to validate? You are the one who should be validating the fallacious claim that Transmigrations inherit portions of all of their predecessor's chakra. Not even remotely hinted at in the manga.

Except you provide no scans proving your claim. Lol Nothing like that was established in the manga. Naruto and Sasuke gained some of the chakra of Indra and Ashura.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Yeah that was before his seals changed.

His seal didn't change.

It also says it combines with his chakra. So it's same as how Ashura's chakra mixed in with Uzumaki and Namikaze chakra. It's no longer pure and cannot be detected.

LMAO! You sure love making things up lightbringer. While I did say chakra composition being different may have been a possibility, there's really no support for it, and it certainly isn't factual as you make it out to be.

Orochimaru messed up the first one and Jiraiya undid Orochimaru's seal.

You don't say?

Next, Naruto with the help of his mom subdued Kurama so he can siphon chakra from him on a whim.

Thank you, but I don't require a lecture about a manga and anime I've read and watched several times now, especially one that has nothing to do with the topic.

It doesn't leak anymore.

No basis.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

What is there to validate? You are the one who should be validating the fallacious claim that Transmigrations inherit portions of all of their predecessor's chakra. Not even remotely hinted at in the manga.

I've already given four to five validated links, in the op and in another post. It's up to you to comprehend or even look a them.

Except you provide no scans proving your claim. Lol

Validate it. lol.

Nothing like that was established in the manga.

A pity you can't prove it or debunk the links. You're quite full of yourself aren't you blood storm, or perhaps something else.

Naruto and Sasuke gained some of the chakra of Indra and Ashura.

As well as Hashirama and Madara because they possessed Indra and Ashuras reincarnated chakras as well lols. Nevertheless, I have no interest in unsupported statements or snarky drivel. If you can't support yourself, either move along or be derepped and ignored like the next douchebag to cross my path. Is that enough of an "establishment?"

 

[Torche]

I've already given four to five validated links, in the op and in another post. It's up to you to comprehend or even look a them.



Validate it. lol.



A pity you can't prove it or debunk the links. You're quite full of yourself aren't you blood storm, or perhaps something else.



As well as Hashirama and Madara because they possessed Indra and Ashuras reincarnated chakras as well lols.

My sides. Lol

The first two is Madara sensing Hashirama approaching the battlefield.

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How is he going to be waiting for someone if he wasn't aware of their impending approach?

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I don't see mention of any other chakra being transmigrated, do you?

You since edited it. No problem, just accomplished it. I'm not full of myself, it's just a theory that you have which was never even hinted at in the manga which is now complete...

It's never been stated or hinted that it does... Furthermore the Otsutsuki's or Juubi Jins are only hinted at to have this feat...
Obito "transmigrated" to Kakashi for those brief few minutes.

You can take this last one as speculation, or whatever, but it hints that it is a possibility for Hamura and Hagoromo to have transmigrations.

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Edit:Missed a scan. I will "debunk" it. A few minutes.

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As we know when a transmigration dies Ashura's and Indra's chakra move on to the next vessel; Naruto and Sasuke in this case. That is stating that before the chakra moved on from the dead Madara he created a problem, later revealed that he was resurrected with Izanagi thus the chakra couldn't move on.

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^His time as a transmigration was over. The chakra transmigrates "endlessly". When a transmigration dies the chakra finds a new host.

I swear there was a better scan, but I couldn't find it.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

My sides. Lol

You should get that looked at. It may be kidney stones or appendicitis.

The first two is Madara sensing Hashirama approaching the battlefield.

Sensing his chakra you mean.

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How is he going to be waiting for someone if he wasn't aware of their impending approach?

That's why I call it an inconsistency lols. What does the two bantering have to do with the topic by the way?

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I don't see mention of any other chakra being transmigrated, do you?

"Their bodies were destroyed, but their chakras were not and reincarnated over time."

"With my eyes, I can clearly see Ashura's chakra clinging to you."

You since edited it. No problem, just accomplished it.

Yes, around four hours ago lols.

I'm not full of myself, it's just a theory that you have which was never even hinted at in the manga which is now complete...

You are. I'm here being objective, giving links, using logic, reasoning and comprehension and you're snarking with a superficial tone and invalidated one-liners saying it's absolutely never mentioned, without even attempting to examine or debunk my links. Either you're an idiot, a narcissist or a troll. Possibly all three. Take your pick.

It's never been stated or hinted that it does...

That's incorrect and unsupported.

Furthermore the Otsutsuki's or Juubi Jins are only hinted at to have this feat...

But I thought you said it was never hinted at? Lols. Getting a little confused with yourself, Blood?

Madara possessed the Rinnegan and the Ootsutsukis' chakra as an edo.

Obito "transmigrated" to Kakashi for those brief few minutes.

..And?

You can take this last one as speculation, or whatever, but it hints that it is a possibility for Hamura and Hagoromo to have transmigrations.

Why do you keep bringing things up that have nothing to do with the topic?

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Edit: Missed a scan. I will "debunk" it. A few minutes.

Right, you do that. I have work in the morning an need to go to bed. Take it easy.

 

[Lightbringer]

His seal didn't change.



LMAO! You sure love making things up lightbringer. While I did say chakra composition being different may have been a possibility, there's really no support for it, and it certainly isn't factual as you make it out to be.



You don't say?



Thank you, but I don't require a lecture about a manga and anime I've read and watched several times now, especially one that has nothing to do with the topic.



No basis.

Apparently you do need a lecture since you evidently don't know how to read well. There was a whole chapter titled "A New Seal" where with the help Kushina, they reseal Kurama with an added barrier.

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Not only that, but this just completely supports my entire argument about Naruto's chakra no longer leaking since Naruto even states it.

LMAO! So much for me having no basis and making shit up.

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[Torche]

You should get that looked at. It may be kidney stones or appendicitis.



Sensing his chakra you mean.



That's why I call it an inconsistency lols. What does the two bantering have to do with the topic by the way?



"Their bodies were destroyed, but their chakras were not and reincarnated over time."

"With my eyes, I can clearly see Ashura's chakra clinging to you."



Yes, around four hours ago lols.



You are. I'm here being objective, giving links, using logic, reasoning and comprehension and you're snarking with a superficial tone and invalidated one-liners saying it's absolutely never mentioned, without even attempting to examine or debunk my links. Either you're an idiot, a narcissist or a troll. Possibly all three. Take your pick.



That's incorrect and unsupported.



But I thought you said it was never hinted at? Lols. Getting a little confused with yourself, Blood?

Madara possessed the Rinnegan and the Ootsutsukis' chakra as an edo.



..And?



Why do you keep bringing things up that have nothing to do with the topic?

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Right, you do that. I have work in the morning an need to go to bed. Take it easy.

Smh, you take the term "selective reading" and "bad reading comprehension" to a whole new level. I've learnt my lesson, I'll never be reply to one of your posts again and save myself the waste of time and effort.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Smh, you take the term "selective reading" and "bad reading comprehension" to a whole new level.

And you just eat it up with your continual arguments, invalidated, subjective generalizations, contradictions, lack of debunking, fanfiction offerings and rage quitting.

I've learnt my lesson, I'll never be reply to one of your posts again and save myself the waste of time and effort.

I'm in utter despair..lols.

 

[Lightbringer]

And you just eat it up with your continual arguments, invalidated, subjective generalizations, contradictions, lack of debunking, fanfiction offerings and rage quitting.



I'm in utter despair..lols.

so ignoring my comment now? lol

 

[taijutsuGoD]

Sharingan can see chakra natures, I doubt it can sense a person's identity like the Byakugan.

Well, like I said. There were a thousand shinobi present and the Kyuubi hasn't given Naruto chakra at that point. I don't remember ever hearing that it leaked.

It only leaked when Naruto became angry and subconsciously unsealed it.

Sharing an can't see chakra natures it can see a persons chakra not its nature the the way sharing an users gain knowloge of a persons chakra nature is by observing the hand signs they make thus knowing the element of the jutsy by the used hand signs

 

[Lightbringer]

Sharing an can't see chakra natures it can see a persons chakra not its nature the the way sharing an users gain knowloge of a persons chakra nature is by observing the hand signs they make thus knowing the element of the jutsy by the used hand signs

I guess I mistook the color of chakra for chakra nature. Sasuke said his eyes let him see different chakra colors which I assumed were the elements.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Madara didn't sense Naruto and Sasuke's chakra cause they do not have Hashirama and Madara's chakra respectively

The only thing that related them to each other was Asura and Indra's soul. Hashirama had his own unique chakra, as did Naruto. Madara had his own unique chakra as did Sasuke

Ashura's soul simply moved from Hashi to Naruto, not his chakra. Indra's soul moved from Madara to Sasuke, not his chakra.

If that were the case, Madara would've thought that Sasuke had the same chakra as him, but the only thing he said was that they shared some connection. It would've been clear they share the same chakra if Madara said, he seems to have the same chakra as me, but he just said a connection. This connection was Indra's soul transmigrated between them.


So, no, Naruto and Sasuke did not share the same chakra as Hashi and Madara

Not that I'm refuting you, but Kurama pointed out in the beginning of part 2, that Sasuke has the same "feel" as Madara chakra wise. Then I remember somewhere in part 2 where they stated that Naruto has the same "feel" as Hashirama.
And Hagoromo did blatantly state that Ashuras chakra was clinging to Naruto

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Sharing an can't see chakra natures it can see a persons chakra not its nature the the way sharing an users gain knowloge of a persons chakra nature is by observing the hand signs they make thus knowing the element of the jutsy by the used hand signs

Yes it can, otherwise there is no way in Hell that Sasuke would figure out that the clay was of the Earth element

 

[DoubleKamui]

Naruto never possessed Hashirama's chakra. Just because Hashirama was a transmigrant of Ashura, doesn't mean Naruto, who is the new reincarnate of Ashura, will receive Hashirama's chakra. Only Ashura's chakra, not the previous reincarnate's chakra, is passed down to the next reincarnate.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Every Uzumaki and Senju is born with Ashura's chakra regardless of Namikaze genes (Kushina said it herself Naruto inherited her STRONG CHAKRA). But every individual has a unique form of Ashura's chakra. Uchiha have different forms of Indra chakra which is why every MS is different and why non-transmigrants can also have MS.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Because Naruto didn't have Hashirama's chakra, he had Ashura's chakra, something Madara never felt before. Also, Madara did sense something in Sasuke's chakra that was connecting them, Indra. The issue with both is that Naruto and Sasuke have their own chakra as well, and Madara didn't know about the whole reincarnation piece.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

You should get that looked at. It may be kidney stones or appendicitis.



Sensing his chakra you mean.



That's why I call it an inconsistency lols. What does the two bantering have to do with the topic by the way?



"Their bodies were destroyed, but their chakras were not and reincarnated over time."

"With my eyes, I can clearly see Ashura's chakra clinging to you."



Yes, around four hours ago lols.



You are. I'm here being objective, giving links, using logic, reasoning and comprehension and you're snarking with a superficial tone and invalidated one-liners saying it's absolutely never mentioned, without even attempting to examine or debunk my links. Either you're an idiot, a narcissist or a troll. Possibly all three. Take your pick.



That's incorrect and unsupported.



But I thought you said it was never hinted at? Lols. Getting a little confused with yourself, Blood?

Madara possessed the Rinnegan and the Ootsutsukis' chakra as an edo.



..And?



Why do you keep bringing things up that have nothing to do with the topic?

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Simple, Hagoromo and Hamura were her sons, so she knew what their chakra felt like, and Kaguya likely knew of Indra and Ashura and what their chakra was like due to Black Zetsu. Madara never encountered his original incarnation.