A plothole, inconsistency or retcon?

[SkyGodHorus]

so ignoring my comment now? lol

No, if you read my post, you'd see I had to get some sleep. I had already been online for over three hours. Feeling insecure now?

Apparently you do need a lecture since you evidently don't know how to read well.

Strike one.

There was a whole chapter titled "A New Seal" where with the help Kushina, they reseal Kurama with an added barrier.

Minato's seal was never removed. It's what sealed Kurama in and what kept him sealed. It's shown after Naruto takes chakra from Kurama in the jinchuriki arc and again in the final arc when Madara extracted him.

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You can have this argument though since it has nothing to do with the original topic.

Not only that, but this just completely supports my entire argument about Naruto's chakra no longer leaking since Naruto even states it.

I think you mean Kurama.

LMAO! So much for me having no basis and making shit up.

Well technically, you still don't for the main topic lol.

 

[KingHashirama]

Ashura's spirit inhabited people who thought like him or possessed his ideals. However, that does not mean those who he went into also gained his powers or something.. no thats not the case here.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Because Naruto didn't have Hashirama's chakra, he had Ashura's chakra, something Madara never felt before.

This statement makes no sense. Hashirama and Naruto's chakra's are one in the same because they are both Ashura's reincarnation.

Also, Madara did sense something in Sasuke's chakra that was connecting them, Indra.

Links? The only thing I read was that Madara noticed they had the same straight tomoes. That's it.

The issue with both is that Naruto and Sasuke have their own chakra as well, and Madara didn't know about the whole reincarnation piece.

Which doesn't erase Ashura's chakra, which both Hashirama and Naruto had.

Right, you do that. I have work in the morning an need to go to bed. Take it easy.

Simple, Hagoromo and Hamura were her sons, so she knew what their chakra felt like, and Kaguya likely knew of Indra and Ashura and what their chakra was like due to Black Zetsu. Madara never encountered his original incarnation.

Kaguya has nothing to do with this topic, but if you want to get realistic, she recognized their chakras via the use of her byakugan, which Rinnegan possesses the same properties of in the chakra vision department.

Anyway, you're one user I have no interest in debating with Darth Uchiha, as I've long already had you on my narutobase troll list
for some time now. Nothing you say can be taken seriously by me. I remember full well linking pages and statements in another debate thread and you continually mocking me with emotes and one-liners, calling my statements "irrelevant" with no basis and so on and so forth. In short, you're pretty much the next douchebag I was speaking of earlier lols.

Ashura's spirit inhabited people who thought like him or possessed his ideals. However, that does not mean those who he went into also gained his powers or something.. no thats not the case here.

Hagoromo stated Naruto possessed Ashura's chakra and Naruto's bijuu cloak took on the same form as Ashura's avatar. As I stated earlier, I'm finished with this portion of the topic as it's long already been debunked.

 

[Lightbringer]

No, if you read my post, you'd see I had to get some sleep. I had already been online for over three hours. Feeling insecure now?



Strike one.



Minato's seal was never removed. It's what sealed Kurama in and what kept him sealed. It's shown after Naruto takes chakra from Kurama in the jinchuriki arc and again in the final arc when Madara extracted him.

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You can have this argument though since it has nothing to do with the original topic.



I think you mean Kurama.



Well technically, you still don't for the main topic lol.

Minato's seal was undone.....how do you think they released the Kyuubi? lol

It's still a modified seal, which makes it new. It has an added barrier, it's not the same as it used to be.

It doesn't even look the same.

Look at the belly. Before

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Naruto takes chakra from Kurama only after it was revealed to Madara that he was the Jinchuriki.

You're the one that went off topic and bringing up how Madara didn't sense Naruto being a Jinchuriki in the first place. I still provided facts.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Minato's seal was undone.....how do you think they released the Kyuubi? lol

Do you not see Minato's seal's gate and the spiral lock or are you that dense?

It's still a modified seal, which makes it new.

An extra seal doesn't erase the other one.

It has an added barrier, it's not the same as it used to be.

The same seal with the same properties is still there.

Naruto takes chakra from Kurama only after it was revealed to Madara that he was the Jinchuriki.

That's nice. Does this erase Ashura's chakra, which made up Hashirama's? No. Does this erase the kyuubi's chakra, which mixed with Naruto's his whole life and even caused physical changes via the whiskers he inherited? No. Are you arguing about something off-topic just to be an argumentative ass, even though I gave you the kurama debate and partially agreed with you about the chakra properties? Mm hm.

You're the one that went off topic and bringing up how Madara didn't sense Naruto being a Jinchuriki in the first place.

And you're the one who kept at it lols. It wasn't off-topic, it was a parallel to chakra sensing, but you made your whole argument about Kurama and completely forgot about Madara sensing his and Hashirama's chakra from Naruto and Sasuke apparently. Or perhaps you had nothing else to support yourself?

I still provided facts.

You provided fallacies and assumptions never written or illustrated in stone, which was why I didn't agree completely with the chakra property explanation, which I had already thought of and put in the poll. As I said before, you may have the Kurama debate whether you are wrong or right because it is off-topic. That means I'm done discussing it.

 

[Lightbringer]

Do you not see Minato's seal's gate and the spiral lock or are you that dense?



An extra seal doesn't erase the other one.



The same seal with the same properties is still there.



That's nice. Does this erase Ashura's chakra, which made up Hashirama's? No. Does this erase the kyuubi's chakra, which mixed with Naruto's his whole life and even caused physical changes via the whiskers he inherited? No. Are you arguing about something off-topic just to be an argumentative ass, even though I gave you the kurama debate and partially agreed with you about the chakra properties? Mm hm.



And you're the one who kept at it lols. It wasn't off-topic, it was a parallel to chakra sensing, but you made your whole argument about Kurama and completely forgot about Madara sensing his and Hashirama's chakra from Naruto and Sasuke apparently. Or perhaps you had nothing else to support yourself?



You provided fallacies and assumptions never written or illustrated in stone, which was why I didn't agree completely with the chakra property explanation, which I had already thought of and put in the poll. As I said before, you may have the Kurama debate whether you are wrong or right because it is off-topic. That means I'm done discussing it.

The Seals don't even look the same lol

Look at the belly. Before

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To your second point, uh yeah the chakra does erase once he used it up. It's not like Naruto can produce Kurama's chakra on his own. So even if it did mix before, he can only produce his own chakra and it kept on mixing with Kurama's until he got the new seal.

Oh really, the whiskers were caused by Kurama's chakra? That's just an assumption with no evidence. Secondly, having the appearance change doesn't mean he was given a constant supply of Kurama's chakra.

It also seems unlikely that he would be the only jinchuruki to gain some sort of physical quality from he bijuu, meaning that the whiskers might be hereditary, given that his children had them too.




Well as I've stated before, they all possessed pieces Ashura chakra that was mixed in with their own original chakra. That doesn't mean Naruto possessed the same chakra as Hashirama. They all still retain their own unique identity.

The only reason Hagoromo and Kaguya were able to sense it, is because they are beyond human.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

This statement makes no sense. Hashirama and Naruto's chakra's are one in the same because they are both Ashura's reincarnation.



Links? The only thing I read was that Madara noticed they had the same straight tomoes. That's it.



Which doesn't erase Ashura's chakra, which both Hashirama and Naruto had.





Kaguya has nothing to do with this topic, but if you want to get realistic, she recognized their chakras via the use of her byakugan, which Rinnegan possesses the same properties of in the chakra vision department.

Anyway, you're one user I have no interest in debating with Darth Uchiha, as I've long already had you on my narutobase troll list
for some time now. Nothing you say can be taken seriously by me. I remember full well linking pages and statements in another debate thread and you continually mocking me with emotes and one-liners, calling my statements "irrelevant" with no basis and so on and so forth. In short, you're pretty much the next douchebag I was speaking of earlier lols.



Hagoromo stated Naruto possessed Ashura's chakra and Naruto's bijuu cloak took on the same form as Ashura's avatar. As I stated earlier, I'm finished with this portion of the topic as it's long already been debunked.

Well, we all have you pegged as a childish jerk that listens to nobody but himself. About Madara, I'd suggest you read 674-8 again because he mentions sensing a deeper connection than blood in those chapters. In regards to Naruto'ls chakra not erasing Ashura's, youre right, it didn't erase Ashura's that doesn't mean it could magically conjure up Hashirama's. About that Kaguya piece, you posted the picture with her to support your argument, idiot.