[Predictions] Fairy Tail Manga Chapter 415 Discussion and 416 Predictions

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Jesus, this has to be the best chaps i read recently, I feel doe Natsu doe :( Igneel and him are the best pair, i seriously wanted to see both of 'em having a decent chat and a little fun D:
Anyways, Master is ashamed of himself, what a loser Makarov >_>'
 

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Jesus, this has to be the best chaps i read recently, I feel doe Natsu doe :( Igneel and him are the best pair, i seriously wanted to see both of 'em having a decent chat and a little fun D:
Anyways, Master is ashamed of himself, what a loser Makarov >_>'
Makarov couldn't release Lumen Histoire because there must be a heavy cost to release the light, till now he has never shown any hesitation whatsoever to save his guild, probably it's something with irreversible/drastic consequences, also Ivan once called Lumen Histoire "Darkness" of FT, so it is something big.
 

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Makarov couldn't release Lumen Histoire because there must be a heavy cost to release the light, till now he has never shown any hesitation whatsoever to save his guild, probably it's something with irreversible/drastic consequences, also Ivan once called Lumen Histoire "Darkness" of FT, so it is something big.
Yeah, we are not even sure what it actually is and whats its actual power. All we've seen is Mavis's Body sealed in it, not sure if that means mavis is gonna revive, but the fact that mavis's spirit is still haunting around the guild gives a hint u_u i guess the story behind this is gonna be interesting U_U
But that 'Darkness' thing got me confused >_>'
 

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Yeah, we are not even sure what it actually is and whats its actual power. All we've seen is Mavis's Body sealed in it, not sure if that means mavis is gonna revive, but the fact that mavis's spirit is still haunting around the guild gives a hint u_u i guess the story behind this is gonna be interesting U_U
But that 'Darkness' thing got me confused >_>'
That darkness thing also piqued my interest too
True Hiro is holding the big guns for the next few arcs, I think FT will become more exciting over the course of next few arc.

Mavi's power and history still remains a deep mystery like Zeref's.
 

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I already pointed out the major flaw of that theory in the previous discussion thread, but I had to close it because the new chapter was out and couldn't reply.

The hints you talk about for your theory are, as I said, extremely confusing, contradictory, vague and very ambiguous and as a result can be interpreted in a multitude of ways, but you act like they are simple, straightforward statements that have only one, clear interpretation. So yes you are interpreting what you want to see as yes you can easily make a dozen theories about these hints. I just sucked one out of my thumb on the spot, that I got the genders wrong is irrelevant as you can make scenario after scenario because of the simple fact that the info is so vague and as a result open to hell of a lot of interpretation.

We now pathetically little about this matter and we know zero to nothing about what happened 400 years ago, which is vital to understanding this all.

I mean you talk about it being two sides of the same coin, but that's not true. You are reasoning in circles. You assume that Natsu has to be END and then you start seeing all these hints that way, disregarding the many other options. You even contradict yourself as Zeref said something that it END or Natsu could meet him, not both. That is a big flaw in this theory as why the division? Zeref says that Natsu is the only one that can beat him and he said Natsu isn't up to the task yet, but then lets him have a contest with his strongest demon? If they were one, why the division? Natsu should then be ridiculously powerful if they would be one entity with END, so it would be in Zeref's best interest if he wants to kick the bucket to make them join together. No instead he is seemingly trying to cause a rift. This is the exact opposite of two sides of the same coin as one side has to be removed, which is not possible for a coin. This is what I mean with that this hints are so vague, ambiguous and contradictory. You can make everything and nothing out of it, in fact they don't make any sense, but you keep having that narrow minded vision of that END has to be Natsu.

This ambiguity of the shallow info given even reflects in your reasoning. Natsu being END is not the most logical theory based on these hints, it's the opposite. We have so little info that is so vague and ambiguous, we can interpret it in so many ways that it's almost pointless to find something in it that make sense. The only factors that we have are Zeref, Natsu and END. Natsu being END is not the most logical theory, END and Natsu are simply the only solid factors that remain as this hints of yours are as useless as they can get and thus do not point at Natsu being END.

I mean you are even yourself randomly guessing things simply to make that theory fit, then you should also be very well aware that that pretty much applies to your entire theory.
I understand where you are getting at but again I have never seen a theory which joints those hints better than this one. None of them were even close which is why I believe that the chances of this one being true are high. Btw, every assumption that I made has support from manga. I didn't pulled them out of nowhere. For example I said that Natsu and END were separated by Igneel. Igneel was the one that fought END prior to END getting sealed and Igneel was the one that raised Natsu ever since he was a kid so it makes sense to think that he was the one that separated them.

I know that the given hints are not good enough to conform that Natsu is END(I have never conformed that in the first place.). But the hints are pretty close to this theory if you ask me. Like for example "Both Igneel as well as Zeref thinks that Natsu can stop END but there is noway in living hell for current Natsu to beat END someone even Igneel with his full power couldn't stop. Yet they believe that he can stop END. It is not like they aren't aware of the actual gap b/w Natsu and END. IMO Natsu vs END is a battle of wills in which the one who manages to take over the other will gain unimaginable power and meets Zeref to finally settle scores with him. Zeref most likely don't want his terrible legacy to continue what he started so he was hoping for Natsu to take over END.

 

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That darkness thing also piqued my interest too
True Hiro is holding the big guns for the next few arcs, I think FT will become more exciting over the course of next few arc.

Mavi's power and history still remains a deep mystery like Zeref's.
Sometimes im not even able to figure out if Zeref's the true bad guy >_> His words are just too good to be bad
 

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Sometimes im not even able to figure out if Zeref's the true bad guy >_> His words are just too good to be bad
I still believe Zeref wants to die by Natsu's hand and get redemption like Toguro from YYH like I said in:-



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I understand where you are getting at but again I have never seen a theory which joints those hints better than this one. None of them were even close which is why I believe that the chances of this one being true are high. Btw, every assumption that I made has support from manga. I didn't pulled them out of nowhere. For example I said that Natsu and END were separated by Igneel. Igneel was the one that fought END prior to END getting sealed and Igneel was the one that raised Natsu ever since he was a kid so it makes sense to think that he was the one that separated them.

I know that the given hints are not good enough to conform that Natsu is END(I have never conformed that in the first place.). But the hints are pretty close to this theory if you ask me. Like for example "Both Igneel as well as Zeref thinks that Natsu can stop END but there is noway in living hell for current Natsu to beat END someone even Igneel with his full power couldn't stop. Yet they believe that he can stop END. It is not like they aren't aware of the actual gap b/w Natsu and END. IMO Natsu vs END is a battle of wills in which the one who manages to take over the other will gain unimaginable power and meets Zeref to finally settle scores with him. Zeref most likely don't want his terrible legacy to continue what he started so he was hoping for Natsu to take over END.

Igneel fought END centuries ago, but he raised Natsu only for a few years ago a decade ago. How does that rhyme with him separating them? That does NOT neatly join together, that is you trying to very subjectively interpret the vague information we had from the manga to support that theory. What you just did was what I exactly did too when I randomly made up scenarios. No this theory of yours is NOT even remotely highly possibly as you think.

As I said everything we know, which is pathetically little, is contradictory, vague and ambiguous. You just subjectively tied them that info together making up a scenario, just like I did to prove my point.

You approach this situation the wrong way. What I tried to make clear was the same principle of multiple choice: if you do not know the answer, you can always find it by removing the answers you know are wrong. Here it's the exact same thing. Your theory is not the one that has the most chance of being correct, it's simply the one who has the least chance of being incorrect. That's a very different perspective as having the least chance of being incorrect and the highest chance of being correct, is not the same thing. And the reason why it has the least chance of being incorrect, is because it's the most simplistic theory without much complexity. However as the info we got is almost practically useless, that does not amount to much. Igneel might as well have made Natsu out of clay, gave him life by imbuing him with his dragonbreath and then learned him dragon slaying magic because he knew END someday would return and he himself would not have the power to stop him as he's a ghost of his former self.

In your 2nd paragraph you do it again. You are interpreting very vague and subjective 'hints' just so that could fit it in your theory. Both Igneel and Zeref think Natsu can stop END? And? A person that looked very similar to Natsu is shown on an ancient tapestry. Current Natsu might be that person's air or Natsu is his reincarnation or somehow he was revived again as a baby with no memory of his previous life. And during his previous life he might have shown to be incredibly powerful, hence both Zeref and Igneel think he can beat END.

See, you can go on and on about this. Why? Because these hints are so indirect, vague, ambiguous and screwed-up you can't say anything for sure, but still that's what you're doing.
 

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Loved the chapter, though it was sad for Natsu.
The only one that couldn't really talk or say goodbye to Igneel, after all the long time of searching for him.

I knew that Natsu is going to fight Acno since the firts time i saw this and recognized that the scarf of the person looks like Natu's.
Now he even stated that he is going to kick his ass.

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Really curious what the new level of strength will be for the DS, especially Natsu. I really loved this arc and finally saw again Natsu and Gray as a team. I think they will cheer up each other, since both of them lost someone important and know how the other one feels.
 
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Unconfirmed spoilers say this:-

ナツ 泣き続け、快適ハッピー
ナツ だけ イグニール と 組合員がそれに反対見つけるために彼女に入社した後、組合を残すことにした
アクセス 一夜 、車両内のすべてのフェアリーテイルのメンバーと 剣歯 を送信し、場所を離れる
ゼレフ 帳のどこかに外観や ナツ について彼と話を調製し、それがさらに絶望的 アクノロギア から救出された後、それを作る
労働 組合とマカロフに何が起こったのか ギルダーツ の驚きは彼に何が起こったのか説明し、組合を残すために ナツ を防ぐために彼を説得
二つの新しいシニアの数字の出現
章417:意思決定 ナツ

Natsu keeps crying, is comforted by Happy.
- FT members find Natsu, agree to fight Acnologia
- Natsu leaves FT members
- Sabretooth has no vehicles so they join with FT and go home
- Zeref preparing a talk with Natsu, mentioning his book being saved from Acno
- Makarov tells what happened to Gildarts, asks him to persuade Natsu from not leaving FT

These are unconfirmed so they might be false.
 

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Unconfirmed spoilers say this:-

ナツ 泣き続け、快適ハッピー
ナツ だけ イグニール と 組合員がそれに反対見つけるために彼女に入社した後、組合を残すことにした
アクセス 一夜 、車両内のすべてのフェアリーテイルのメンバーと 剣歯 を送信し、場所を離れる
ゼレフ 帳のどこかに外観や ナツ について彼と話を調製し、それがさらに絶望的 アクノロギア から救出された後、それを作る
労働 組合とマカロフに何が起こったのか ギルダーツ の驚きは彼に何が起こったのか説明し、組合を残すために ナツ を防ぐために彼を説得
二つの新しいシニアの数字の出現
章417:意思決定 ナツ

Natsu keeps crying, is comforted by Happy.
- FT members find Natsu, agree to fight Acnologia
- Natsu leaves FT members
- Sabretooth has no vehicles so they join with FT and go home
- Zeref preparing a talk with Natsu, mentioning his book being saved from Acno
- Makarov tells what happened to Gildarts, asks him to persuade Natsu from not leaving FT

These are unconfirmed so they might be false.
The same did also posted on 4 chan but I don't see that spoiler in 2ch.So,Unconfirmed explains that but I would like to think that they may be true.

Some parts are left untranslated in that spoiler
>>ナツ だけ イグニール と 組合員がそれに反対見つけるために彼女に入社した後、組合を残すことにした
All of the members came to Natsu and Natsu decides/thinking to leave FT Guild Members
It is more like Natsu wants to talk with Zeref.
二つの新しいシニアの数字の出現
Two new character made their appearance.
章417:意思決定 ナツ
Title - 417:Natsu's Decision.

This spoiler seems like to me added text,like at some parts wherever necessary. :|.Like adding some Acnologia & despair & also about book(didn't mentioned what it is).....??Okay Leave it.
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If that spoiler is true(most likely),I am thinking Natsu may leave FT Guild and Gildarts may train him to defeat Acnologia ?.
I am thinking may be one/two of the God(s) of Ishgal made it ? or may be those two unknown wizard saints ?

Edit - As I suspected spoilers are said to be fake.Another long wall of spoiler is out.I am not gonna read it but from what I heard what most people speculated about Natsu and E N D is most likely true.....Also this chapter is gonna be a sad one with many people departing their ways...Poor Natsu and Lucy.



Spoiler for FT Zer0 is also out and My mind is blown.Hiro sensei is killing my brain.
 
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Achnologia human form will be weaker than his human form. First as a human he will be stronger vs dragons but vulnerable against other magic. In his human form he can be defeated by all sorts of magic but as a dragon he can be defeated only by another dragon or a dragon slayer. He killed all the dragons and he did not know dragon slayers still exist so. As a dragon he can't be killed but as human he can be killed
 

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And thus ends one of the greatest arcs in fairy tail (well technically it ended last week but still ^^). Amazing chapter that took me completely off guard. We finally get to learn the meaning of E.N.D and even if it's not surprising, it's still cool to finally get confirmation to this ^^ Fairy tail is what now? Disbanding? DAMN, talk about a major turn of events. I'm glad I decided to continue reading fairy tail even with all the hate it got/gets. While this arc had a few bumpy rides, it was still the best arc in FT IMO. 5...NO 10/5 !!!

EDIT: I DUN GOOFED. This will go in the 416 discussion lol
 
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