Notice in Bronze's post that was only one Juubi TBB. I agree Indra's Arrow is stronger than one Juubi TBB but when there's four of them at once being fired then Indra's Arrow gets beat in DC.
Where did I say individual mountains? Don't put words to my mouth. I said those are multi-mountain, which means multiple mountains of them.
This entire part of your post lost credit when you thought the mountains from that panel and mountains from the Valley of End were equivalent size.
This is for one of the reasons you shouldn't discuss in threads such as this. That is a radius of Juubi's TBB when Minato teleported. I'll mark it to help grasp the mathematical behind it:
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-The green square is where the Alliance and Juubi were fighting.
-The blue square is the location where the TBB was teleported.
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Instead of challenging the argument, you appealed to force by saying you would sig it because I don't agree with your opinion. The matter is no longer an opinion when Juubi's TBB was shown to cover a greater radius than Indra's Arrow; it's a blatant fact. Might not be for degenerate wankers, so to speak. The fact you think Naruto has more Natural Energy than the Juubi is more to reason why you fill the ignore list right below.
That last statement! :leaf: If saying something like "that would be sig worthy" is considered "appealing to force instead of challenging my argument" please enlighten me what you would define your behavior mr. "I'm an innocent victim that merely finds some way in every one of my posts to say someone's stupid." Yeah......... The fact that you jumped on KCM's bandwagon of saying I'm stupid, and now you're trying to pull an ad hominen excuse when I insult you in turn just makes you a wuss when someone's fighting back. Even worse, all of my posts regarding this have had an argument attached to debunk my opponent's position. Whether or not you agree with them, the fact remains that I addressed the argument, meaning your whining is full of crap since I'm doing the same thing as you, challenging in addition to insulting. IF YOU TREAT ME WITH UTTER DISRESPECT FROM THE GET GO, I WON'T BOTHER RESTRAINING MYSELF EITHER, AND YOU'LL FACE THE SAME THING YOU SO KINDLY SUBJECT OTHERS TO! ARE WE CLEAR ON THIS YOU SNOT?! Yes? Good. Now, on to the actual debate.
1. Your argument is based on a lot of assumptions even though you don't realize it. From what I gather, since you said that "the crater from Naruto and Bee is Visible," I'd assume what you're referring to is the crater around the Holy Tree, since it's the only crater visible. However, it's fallacious to assume that it came from Naruto and Bee. I'm assuming what you're trying to do is to use that map scaling of the 3 TBBs to say "Naruto and Bee's TBB is visible in this scan, and is inferior to the conned TBB, so the big juubi TBB is much more powerful." Being the only crater makes it the largest destructive force seen in that area, or the combined one. Bear in mind, we've had the following happen after the combined TBB.
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And since that point, we've had the battle shift areas and such. The crater is not individually from Naruto and Bee, but Tenpenchi!!! Why in the heck do you think why we never see a trench around since???!!!!!
Oh really? Yeah, um no. You're the one discredited. I showed that such shots that you used to make it look like they weren't that far have terrible scaling. If need be, I'll show you more evidence.
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Even the full 9 tails doesn't match up with the mountain's size. Yet, by, yet again, a similar perspective given to what you've shown, Naruto's half-Kurama avatar looks like it's as big as the mountains and looks as if he's more or less close to the holy tree. Obviously not, and these shots are unreliable, so please, do us all a favor and stop using them. It means nothing.
Also, by your logic, then the Juubi's TBBs that have been shown can be quite pathetic. Since, you now, they were shot far away, and these could be tiny mountains.
2. You're joking. You say that I shouldn't take part in these discussions, yet there you were, trying to make a point by showing an edited map while not stated what each part means, as if we're supposed to magically read your freaking mind! However, now I see what you're trying to say, and now I'll tear it apart.
The values you're attributing to are obscenely subjective. You're placing the Juubi TBB dead center in the sea, when, in reality, no such distance was ever shown in the actual manga, and this is nothing but your assumption. All we know is it was "teleported to the sea." Not where. However, we clearly see the area where it came from in sight, albeit it looks small from a distance. It was teleported far away, but not that far lol! This is far to subjective to be considered evidence.
Like it or not, the blast from Naruto and Sasuke's clash did cover countries(small ones of course).
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The battlefield, according to your map, is extremely close to the land of lightning. The VOTE is bellow the center of the sound. As you can clearly see, the distance it covered spanned across the distance of 2 small nations. So yes, whether you kick or screem it isn't, the blast is country-level.
Wow............... Are you serious? I take it you both, haven't seen seen the viz or TAKL's raw translation of what Kurama said? Viz says "all the natural energy that can be absorbed" The raw says "All the natural energy from the surface." Either one means that no more natural energy could have been absorbed from that point on. The Juubi is entirely made of natural energy.
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The simple fact of the matter is this. Naruto absorbed all the natural energy that can possibly be absorbed. The Juubi is a mass of natural energy, yet people (Hashirama and Naruto) could still absorb it. Therefore, by definition, the Juubi did not contain the same amount of natural energy as Naruto. This is way too simple. Your responce can be summarized as "screw logic, this is the juubi, therefore, it must have the most of anything."
So............. How does it feel to talk such crap, only to have straight-forward facts thrown in your face saying you're wrong?
To all delightful Juubi wankers. THIS is what you're wanking.
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The explosive energy of 4 of them being contained within a barrier......... wasn't enough to destroy the tree that spawned them. Compare it to this.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case. Anybody that thinks that a Juubi TBB has more power than Indra's arrow, something above other attacks that have better feats than the Juubi TBB, then they really need to reread the manga for better power scaling.
That last statement! :leaf: If saying something like "that would be sig worthy" is considered "appealing to force instead of challenging my argument" please enlighten me what you would define your behavior mr. "I'm an innocent victim that merely finds some way in every one of my posts to say someone's stupid." Yeah......... The fact that you jumped on KCM's bandwagon of saying I'm stupid, and now you're trying to pull an ad hominen excuse when I insult you in turn just makes you a wuss when someone's fighting back. Even worse, all of my posts regarding this have had an argument attached to debunk my opponent's position. Whether or not you agree with them, the fact remains that I addressed the argument, meaning your whining is full of crap since I'm doing the same thing as you, challenging in addition to insulting. IF YOU TREAT ME WITH UTTER DISRESPECT FROM THE GET GO, I WON'T BOTHER RESTRAINING MYSELF EITHER, AND YOU'LL FACE THE SAME THING YOU SO KINDLY SUBJECT OTHERS TO! ARE WE CLEAR ON THIS YOU SNOT?! Yes? Good. Now, on to the actual debate.
1. Your argument is based on a lot of assumptions even though you don't realize it. From what I gather, since you said that "the crater from Naruto and Bee is Visible," I'd assume what you're referring to is the crater around the Holy Tree, since it's the only crater visible. However, it's fallacious to assume that it came from Naruto and Bee. I'm assuming what you're trying to do is to use that map scaling of the 3 TBBs to say "Naruto and Bee's TBB is visible in this scan, and is inferior to the conned TBB, so the big juubi TBB is much more powerful." Being the only crater makes it the largest destructive force seen in that area, or the combined one. Bear in mind, we've had the following happen after the combined TBB.
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And since that point, we've had the battle shift areas and such. The crater is not individually from Naruto and Bee, but Tenpenchi!!! Why in the heck do you think why we never see a trench around since???!!!!!
Oh really? Yeah, um no. You're the one discredited. I showed that such shots that you used to make it look like they weren't that far have terrible scaling. If need be, I'll show you more evidence.
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Even the full 9 tails doesn't match up with the mountain's size. Yet, by, yet again, a similar perspective given to what you've shown, Naruto's half-Kurama avatar looks like it's as big as the mountains and looks as if he's more or less close to the holy tree. Obviously not, and these shots are unreliable, so please, do us all a favor and stop using them. It means nothing.
Also, by your logic, then the Juubi's TBBs that have been shown can be quite pathetic. Since, you now, they were shot far away, and these could be tiny mountains.
2. You're joking. You say that I shouldn't take part in these discussions, yet there you were, trying to make a point by showing an edited map while not stated what each part means, as if we're supposed to magically read your freaking mind! However, now I see what you're trying to say, and now I'll tear it apart.
The values you're attributing to are obscenely subjective. You're placing the Juubi TBB dead center in the sea, when, in reality, no such distance was ever shown in the actual manga, and this is nothing but your assumption. All we know is it was "teleported to the sea." Not where. However, we clearly see the area where it came from in sight, albeit it looks small from a distance. It was teleported far away, but not that far lol! This is far to subjective to be considered evidence.
Like it or not, the blast from Naruto and Sasuke's clash did cover countries(small ones of course).
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The battlefield, according to your map, is extremely close to the land of lightning. The VOTE is bellow the center of the sound. As you can clearly see, the distance it covered spanned across the distance of 2 small nations. So yes, whether you kick or screem it isn't, the blast is country-level.
Wow............... Are you serious? I take it you both, haven't seen seen the viz or TAKL's raw translation of what Kurama said? Viz says "all the natural energy that can be absorbed" The raw says "All the natural energy from the surface." Either one means that no more natural energy could have been absorbed from that point on. The Juubi is entirely made of natural energy.
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The simple fact of the matter is this. Naruto absorbed all the natural energy that can possibly be absorbed. The Juubi is a mass of natural energy, yet people (Hashirama and Naruto) could still absorb it. Therefore, by definition, the Juubi did not contain the same amount of natural energy as Naruto. This is way too simple. Your responce can be summarized as "screw logic, this is the juubi, therefore, it must have the most of anything."
So............. How does it feel to talk such crap, only to have straight-forward facts thrown in your face saying you're wrong?
To all delightful Juubi wankers. THIS is what you're wanking.
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The explosive energy of 4 of them being contained within a barrier......... wasn't enough to destroy the tree that spawned them. Compare it to this.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case. Anybody that thinks that a Juubi TBB has more power than Indra's arrow, something above other attacks that have better feats than the Juubi TBB, then they really need to reread the manga for better power scaling.
Even if that's the case sasuke's chakra bosted by Harogomo is inferior to naruto's. In quality and quantity.
My reasoning would be naruto simply didn't absorb all the natural energy on earth. It sounds highly illogical, and given the time frame... kinda impossible.
Afterall it was already stated to be "immeasurable"
Even if that's the case sasuke's chakra bosted by Harogomo is inferior to naruto's. In quality and quantity.
My reasoning would be naruto simply didn't absorb all the natural energy on earth. It sounds highly illogical, and given the time frame... kinda impossible.
Afterall it was already stated to be "immeasurable"
Naruto didn't take all the Natural Energy on the planet. Its something I see people say only to make Sasuke seem less inferior to Naruto and aviod the truth that it was countered by two Rasenshurikens. They take that scan out of context and make it something that its not. Naruto wouldn't even have as much Natrual Energy as the Juubi because he has way less chakra to balance it. Naruto would need as much chakra as the Juubi, as we know he didn't because Sasuke said he was almost out. But hey, you can't reason with em.
Even if that's the case sasuke's chakra bosted by Harogomo is inferior to naruto's. In quality and quantity.
My reasoning would be naruto simply didn't absorb all the natural energy on earth. It sounds highly illogical, and given the time frame... kinda impossible.
Afterall it was already stated to be "immeasurable"
This is why I can't understand how Naruto's RS equal everything on the planet. Then again maybe natural energy is just pathetic compared to bijuu chakra....
The amount of Sasuke wank is unreal in unreal in this thread. Are people even using their brains when comparing VOTE-2 scenario with Juubi TBB? Please pull your heads out of Sasuke ass and think about it again then you'll realize that both Sasuke as well as Naruto shares VOTE:2 feat as it was the result of clash b/w Naruto's attack and Sasuke's attack.
Funny thing is that it takes loads of time for Kyuubi just to restore it's own chakra yet for some reason (In order to make Sasuke look strong.)people think that Kyuubi collected all of natural energy on the planet in matter of seconds.Lol
1. Your argument is based on a lot of assumptions even though you don't realize it. From what I gather, since you said that "the crater from Naruto and Bee is Visible," I'd assume what you're referring to is the crater around the Holy Tree, since it's the only crater visible. However, it's fallacious to assume that it came from Naruto and Bee. I'm assuming what you're trying to do is to use that map scaling of the 3 TBBs to say "Naruto and Bee's TBB is visible in this scan, and is inferior to the conned TBB, so the big juubi TBB is much more powerful." Being the only crater makes it the largest destructive force seen in that area, or the combined one. Bear in mind, we've had the following happen after the combined TBB.
...What the hell...? Tenepanchi didn't make a crater. I don't know why you thought of that, because there is no panel showing a bigger crater after Tenepanchii's activation. I showed a panel of a highlighted crater resulted from Naruto's and Bee's combined TBB. Why are you even mentioning Juubi's TBB in regards to the crater? The TBB never hit the ground.
And since that point, we've had the battle shift areas and such. The crater is not individually from Naruto and Bee, but Tenpenchi!!! Why in the heck do you think why we never see a trench around since???!!!!!
The location of the battle didn't shift, whatsoever. The crater was shown after Bee and Naruto shot their combined attack; it remained there the entire time. The Tenpenchii didn't make a crater, as manga didn't show it.
Oh really? Yeah, um no. You're the one discredited. I showed that such shots that you used to make it look like they weren't that far have terrible scaling. If need be, I'll show you more evidence.
Even the full 9 tails doesn't match up with the mountain's size. Yet, by, yet again, a similar perspective given to what you've shown, Naruto's half-Kurama avatar looks like it's as big as the mountains and looks as if he's more or less close to the holy tree. Obviously not, and these shots are unreliable, so please, do us all a favor and stop using them. It means nothing.
Such hasty generalization. You took one panel to make a half-assessed point, when discarding another scan showing Full Kurama is equivalent to another mountain right here. [
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This is why you should be banned from discussions like this. Do you know how to scale things on a map? Clearly not. So in that regard, take navigation lessons. The angle of the panel is drawn from Kurama's perspective, making the God Tree, which is kilometres away look small in comparison. That doesn't mean the scaling is not legitimate; it means you need to learn how map scaling functions.
Also, by your logic, then the Juubi's TBBs that have been shown can be quite pathetic. Since, you now, they were shot far away, and these could be tiny mountains.
How do small mountains exactly make TBB look pathetic? That makes no sense. The TBB's destructive range was shown as I highlighted: Reaching from island far away to the battlefield.
2. You're joking. You say that I shouldn't take part in these discussions, yet there you were, trying to make a point by showing an edited map while not stated what each part means, as if we're supposed to magically read your freaking mind! However, now I see what you're trying to say, and now I'll tear it apart.
Edited map? lol, the panel was cropped from original manga page.
The values you're attributing to are obscenely subjective. You're placing the Juubi TBB dead center in the sea, when, in reality, no such distance was ever shown in the actual manga, and this is nothing but your assumption. All we know is it was "teleported to the sea." Not where. However, we clearly see the area where it came from in sight, albeit it looks small from a distance. It was teleported far away, but not that far lol! This is far to subjective to be considered evidence.
This post gave me cancer. Are you seriously this dense? Do you know how to scale on a map? It's part of navigation. What you do is, is take the location and draw it on a map, then take another location you want and locate it on a map, then you can calculate the distance between them. In this case, we have a map of the Naruto World. We have the location of the battle put on the exact spot from Shikaku himself, as I showed on the panel. We have a panel of the marked kunai marked on wherever spot on the sea. [
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The battle is marked as green, the marked spot is marked on the sea, which is where the land is drawn on the map. Juubi's TBB was teleported there; it reached all the way to the battlefield, as the manga showed us. Calculate the radius on the map, you get an accurate image of its destruction.
That's not hardcore science; it's a plain and simple map calc. A teen would know how to do this, but I'm guessing you don't age 10 yet.
Like it or not, the blast from Naruto and Sasuke's clash did cover countries(small ones of course).
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The battlefield, according to your map, is extremely close to the land of lightning. The VOTE is bellow the center of the sound. As you can clearly see, the distance it covered spanned across the distance of 2 small nations. So yes, whether you kick or screem it isn't, the blast is country-level.
What I actually scaled on is a cropped map from HQ's strategy, when Shikaku and Ay were discussing. The map you brought to me is from P1, which is outdated by the sources P2 provided us. This is not country distance; [
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Wow............... Are you serious? I take it you both, haven't seen seen the viz or TAKL's raw translation of what Kurama said? Viz says "all the natural energy that can be absorbed" The raw says "All the natural energy from the surface." Either one means that no more natural energy could have been absorbed from that point on. The Juubi is entirely made of natural energy.
takL's translation got debunked by Blacord, who could also speak the Japanese language. Nope, the Natural Energy Kurama absorbed was only available from his capability to absorb from what he is capable of. It doesn't interpret as he absorbed the entire planet's Natural Energy, as that would mean Naruto has as much Chakra as the Juubi's, which is nothing more than contradicted and blatant fallacy.
The simple fact of the matter is this. Naruto absorbed all the natural energy that can possibly be absorbed. The Juubi is a mass of natural energy, yet people (Hashirama and Naruto) could still absorb it. Therefore, by definition, the Juubi did not contain the same amount of natural energy as Naruto. This is way too simple. Your responce can be summarized as "screw logic, this is the juubi, therefore, it must have the most of anything."
It wasn't Naruto who absorbed the available Natural Energy; it was Kurama who did. The same Kurama that said the Juubi is composed of the planet's energy, as well as calling it ''immeasurable''. The same Kurama that is only fraction of the Juubi. So technically you are right; Jiraiya, Naruto, Hashirama can absorb that energy but only little of it, in comparison to the Juubi composing of almost infinite supplied of it. If not, then I can understand why you come to that conclusion. You are degenerate fanboy after all.
So............. How does it feel to talk such crap, only to have straight-forward facts thrown in your face saying you're wrong?
Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case. Anybody that thinks that a Juubi TBB has more power than Indra's arrow, something above other attacks that have better feats than the Juubi TBB, then they really need to reread the manga for better power scaling.
You rested the case of your inability to debate, the inability to not understanding how map scaling works, and the inability to speak arrogant delusions. Well done, Sennin of retardation.
...What the hell...? Tenepanchi didn't make a crater. I don't know why you thought of that, because there is no panel showing a bigger crater after Tenepanchii's activation. I showed a panel of a highlighted crater resulted from Naruto's and Bee's combined TBB. Why are you even mentioning Juubi's TBB in regards to the crater? The TBB never hit the ground.
@bold. You have my sincerest apologies, I hadn't realized you were blind.
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Mountains weren't exactly far from he juubi in the TBB crater. After Tenpenchi was used, we saw that a barrier that contained the juubi had a lot of space between it and the crater edges even though it was bulged. On top of this, the surrounding "mountains" look like shards, meaning A. Either this hole is so big, that mountains look tiny in comparison, whereas the were quite visible pre tenpenchi, or B. They were destroyed, showing that Tenpenchi obviously has a lot of destructive power that could easily increase the hole. Tenpenchi made the crater bigger. There's no way around this.
Such hasty generalization. You took one panel to make a half-assessed point, when discarding another scan showing Full Kurama is equivalent to another mountain right here. [
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This is why you should be banned from discussions like this. Do you know how to scale things on a map? Clearly not. So in that regard, take navigation lessons. The angle of the panel is drawn from Kurama's perspective, making the God Tree, which is kilometres away look small in comparison. That doesn't mean the scaling is not legitimate; it means you need to learn how map scaling functions.
Bla bla bla. Insults insults. Giberish. Last time I recall, you can't see the curve of the earth through a height that only lets you see mere mountain ranges. Again, terrible scaling. Not exactly the first time we've seen this. Kishi does not know how to draw objects in a distance relative to their surroundings.
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So yeah, don't use a drawng that could easily be errors. Also, if it's so close, answer this. Where's the CT fragements Sasuke cut up?! Don't tell me they vanished into thin air. If this were so close, these chunks would stick out like a sore thumb.
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Edited map? lol, the panel was cropped from original manga page.
Um....Genius, adding colored lines is editing. That was what I was referring to.
This post gave me cancer. Are you seriously this dense? Do you know how to scale on a map? It's part of navigation. What you do is, is take the location and draw it on a map, then take another location you want and locate it on a map, then you can calculate the distance between them. In this case, we have a map of the Naruto World. We have the location of the battle put on the exact spot from Shikaku himself, as I showed on the panel. We have a panel of the marked kunai marked on wherever spot on the sea. [
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The battle is marked as green, the marked spot is marked on the sea, which is where the land is drawn on the map. Juubi's TBB was teleported there; it reached all the way to the battlefield, as the manga showed us. Calculate the radius on the map, you get an accurate image of its destruction.
That's not hardcore science; it's a plain and simple map calc. A teen would know how to do this, but I'm guessing you don't age 10 yet.
If it gave you cancer, I eagerly await for you to go into a comma. Doubt it'd degrade you further though. Bla bla bla. Insults insults skip skip. Alrighty. Again, you can't comprehend how your thing is subjective. You missed the point entirely. The point isn't where the alliance is, which I never questioned if you actually look at my post. It's where the Juubi TBB was teleported to and the position of that rock. You have absolutely nothing showing it's dead center in the Sea, where you placed it on your map. You're just talking crap to cover the fact that you can't provide any evidence that it can reach from the sea's center. It could be 1Km, it could be 1000Km.
What I actually scaled on is a cropped map from HQ's strategy, when Shikaku and Ay were discussing. The map you brought to me is from P1, which is outdated by the sources P2 provided us. This is not country distance; [
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So you're going for a retcon? Nice. You know, these are called nations right? Yeah, no, the fact that the CT fragements aren't visible means that the distance is immense.
takL's translation got debunked by Blacord, who could also speak the Japanese language. Nope, the Natural Energy Kurama absorbed was only available from his capability to absorb from what he is capable of. It doesn't interpret as he absorbed the entire planet's Natural Energy, as that would mean Naruto has as much Chakra as the Juubi's, which is nothing more than contradicted and blatant fallacy.
It wasn't Naruto who absorbed the available Natural Energy; it was Kurama who did. The same Kurama that said the Juubi is composed of the planet's energy, as well as calling it ''immeasurable''. The same Kurama that is only fraction of the Juubi. So technically you are right; Jiraiya, Naruto, Hashirama can absorb that energy but only little of it, in comparison to the Juubi composing of almost infinite supplied of it. If not, then I can understand why you come to that conclusion. You are degenerate fanboy after all.
So 2 people bickering and contradicting one another. Great. Well, since neither can technically be more legit than the other given that their findings have both contradicted viz, I'll just simply transition to a more direct way of debunking.
You call me fanboy and degenerate, but don't pretend we don't know what you're doing Bronze. It's so painfully obvious that you're attempting to degrade the trump cards of Sasuke and Naruto and try to hype something in Madara's arsenal to make it look like he can overpower them. By which logic, even Juubito would be above in DC, but say that in any other thread, and you'll be laughed at as a fool and imbecile. You're arguments fuled by actual rabid fanboyism. I'm just not an idiot like you, and know that, by the actual scaling of things weaker than their trump cards, they're far superior.
However, since I've seemed to gravely overestimated the intelligence of members, I'll make it simple enough for imbeciles.
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The mere fragements of things that Rikkudo PS bisects are multi-mountain. The fact that Sasuke can bisect something of this scale puts his PS at immense destructive levels. Far more than the Juubi was shown. Pay attention. This is where things get interesting.
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Naruto's Rikkduo Kurama avatar could match Sasuke's sword with his tail. Therefore, making Naruto's DC with a tail swipe immense. It gets better.
This, by extension, means that Naruto's TBB, was far above the DC required for this.
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But then, there's more. In addition to all this, Naruto absorbed a "massive amount of natural energy" to defend against an attack that would have "blown them away otherwise."
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So, basically, the last attack unleashed by Naruto (and thus, Indra's arrow) was far, far, far beyond his TBBs, which I've already established the power of. Simple fact is, Naruto had juubi-level power before. Which is not subjective, but an established fact. Then, he greatly increased said power. Yeah, the full power Juubi TBB has no feats to imply it could be anywhere near this level. This view of yours is absurd. If the explosion was that insignificant, Naruto's TBBRS without the Ashura avatar would be stronger than he was with it and additional natural energy. That's stupid. The simple fact is that TBBRS+FRS and Indra's Arrow must be stronger than the juubi TBB. Like it or not, the actual power behind it exceeds anything the juubi can dish out. You're basically arguing for Juubito. :leaf:
@bold. You have my sincerest apologies, I hadn't realized you were blind.
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Mountains weren't exactly far from he juubi in the TBB crater. After Tenpenchi was used, we saw that a barrier that contained the juubi had a lot of space between it and the crater edges even though it was bulged. On top of this, the surrounding "mountains" look like shards, meaning A. Either this hole is so big, that mountains look tiny in comparison, whereas the were quite visible pre tenpenchi, or B. They were destroyed, showing that Tenpenchi obviously has a lot of destructive power that could easily increase the hole. Tenpenchi made the crater bigger. There's no way around this.
The first scan is rather drawn from top of Juubi's angle. That is why you get a perspective of mountains being far off, but in reality it didn't change. Here is another perspective. [
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None which list the Tenepachii created a larger crater. I'm not going to constantly address this over and over, and repeat the same thing when it goes from your ear and goes through the other. This is the last addressing for this part of your post.
Bla bla bla. Insults insults. Giberish. Last time I recall, you can't see the curve of the earth through a height that only lets you see mere mountain ranges. Again, terrible scaling. Not exactly the first time we've seen this. Kishi does not know how to draw objects in a distance relative to their surroundings.
So yeah, don't use a drawng that could easily be errors. Also, if it's so close, answer this. Where's the CT fragements Sasuke cut up?! Don't tell me they vanished into thin air. If this were so close, these chunks would stick out like a sore thumb.
You brought irrelevant scans of Kishimoto messing the drawing, where the scans I brought did not contain any draw errors. The portions of CT were dropped on the ground, as the middle right panel shows. Look at the scans before asking an obvious answered question.
Um....Genius, adding colored lines is editing. That was what I was referring to.
It's called calculation; not editing. And an accurate one in that matter.
If it gave you cancer, I eagerly await for you to go into a comma. Doubt it'd degrade you further though. Bla bla bla. Insults insults skip skip. Alrighty. Again, you can't comprehend how your thing is subjective. You missed the point entirely. The point isn't where the alliance is, which I never questioned if you actually look at my post. It's where the Juubi TBB was teleported to and the position of that rock. You have absolutely nothing showing it's dead center in the Sea, where you placed it on your map. You're just talking crap to cover the fact that you can't provide any evidence that it can reach from the sea's center. It could be 1Km, it could be 1000Km.
You would end up putting in me comma and possibly death, if you continue your stupidity. How can you exactly find a rock on the middle of the sea, that is disconnected from the ground? That rock Minato marked, was connected to an island on the sea, as the map clearly highlights:
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And because from the scaling on the map appears far away from the actual battle, it will easily be more than 1 km.
So you're going for a retcon? Nice. You know, these are called nations right? Yeah, no, the fact that the CT fragements aren't visible means that the distance is immense.
Or it means Kishimoto didn't draw a scan to show CT's fragments so you can feel happy about the distance. Oh my God...What a guy you are.
So 2 people bickering and contradicting one another. Great. Well, since neither can technically be more legit than the other given that their findings have both contradicted viz, I'll just simply transition to a more direct way of debunking.
I doubt you would interpret the Viz properly, given you thought it said Naruto absorbed the planet's Natural Energy.
You call me fanboy and degenerate, but don't pretend we don't know what you're doing Bronze. It's so painfully obvious that you're attempting to degrade the trump cards of Sasuke and Naruto and try to hype something in Madara's arsenal to make it look like he can overpower them. By which logic, even Juubito would be above in DC, but say that in any other thread, and you'll be laughed at as a fool and imbecile. You're arguments fuled by actual rabid fanboyism. I'm just not an idiot like you, and know that, by the actual scaling of things weaker than their trump cards, they're far superior.
You lost debate by the moment you went off topic, and let your hate and fanboysim cloud your judgement by mentioning Madara and Juubito, who got nothing to do with this discussion. Not to mention the simple grammatical error. It's ''Your arguments'', not ''You're arguments''. Everyone who joined 2014 Debate Tourney saw the poor debater you are, by losing to shelk. Not to mention the amount of BS you spew in that debate, as well as the BS you spew over here as well.
By scaling Naruto's TBBRS should be>Juubi TBB after destroying Madara's Chibaku Tensei's. His new jutsu was amplified by all natural energy available and used in his Ashura mode. So it's pretty clear that its far stronger than something far stronger than the Juubi's TBB, even though it's on par with Indra's Arrow. So Indra's arrow clearly trumps.
The first scan is rather drawn from top of Juubi's angle. That is why you get a perspective of mountains being far off, but in reality it didn't change. Here is another perspective. [
What the heck? Didn't know seeing the Juubi from above counted as the Juubi's perspective lol! That's a bird's eye view. Don't know how your twisted mind called it the Juubi's perspective.
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Both of these perspectives look on the Juubi from a high height. You're right, there's a difference. However, you're not going to like what that difference is. The perspective that makes the mountains look close also is closer to the juubi. The later one, that makes the mountains look farther away, is much further from the juubi. If the crater size was the same, the distance between them would looks smaller, but instead, it looks larger. Therefore, by the most simple of reasoning, the crater's much bigger.
You brought irrelevant scans of Kishimoto messing the drawing, where the scans I brought did not contain any draw errors. The portions of CT were dropped on the ground, as the middle right panel shows. Look at the scans before asking an obvious answered question.
It's called calculation; not editing. And an accurate one in that matter.
I call BS. Something subjective doesn't become a precise measurement just because some idiot insists they are.
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How can you exactly find a rock on the middle of the sea, that is disconnected from the ground? That rock Minato marked, was connected to an island on the sea, as the map clearly highlights:
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And because from the scaling on the map appears far away from the actual battle, it will easily be more than 1 km.
Oh my gosh! You're killing me!!!! I can't get enough of this! You're actually saying that this little rock is an island!!! Look at the TBB compared to the rock!
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Now, the same Juubi TBB was seen right in front of Bee.
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That rock is way smaller than a biju! A map would not have that rock shown as a registered land mark! Are you insane?!
Or it means Kishimoto didn't draw a scan to show CT's fragments so you can feel happy about the distance. Oh my God...What a guy you are.
Hahahahaha! This is rich. You're running with your tails between you legs now that I've shown contradicting evidence about your attempted perspective comparison. Those things are far to huge to not be seen if this wasn't an immense distance.
I doubt you would interpret the Viz properly, given you thought it said Naruto absorbed the planet's Natural Energy.
Mindless slander is mindless. Wait wait. Let me wrap my head around this. You're saying, that simply because there's 2 interpretations and you choose one to believe, the one you choose to believe is automatically correct?
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You lost debate by the moment you went off topic, and let your hate and fanboysim cloud your judgement by mentioning Madara and Juubito, who got nothing to do with this discussion. Not to mention the simple grammatical error. It's ''Your arguments'', not ''You're arguments''. Everyone who joined 2014 Debate Tourney saw the poor debater you are, by losing to shelk. Not to mention the amount of BS you spew in that debate, as well as the BS you spew over here as well.
No no no. They're quite relevant. Juubito could make a barrier equivalent or superior (most likely) to the Hokage one that blocked it.
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Juubito's attack had the same effect on the barriers.
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Therefore, Juubito's attacks>=Juubi TBB, yet we all know that every character since Juubito has more potent chakra then him, so saying that Naruto and Sasuke's attacks don't at least have the same potency is dumb.
Here's the final nail in the coffin. (although you'll go zombie on me and still claim to be right even after this)
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Look at this. Know that Juubito's TBBs are at least as strong as the Juubi TBB and tell me what you see. If you're being honest with yourself, you know what you're seeing is that an enclosed Juubi TBB explosion lacks the power to do a single ounce of damage to a TBB shield. Then, you see that Naruto, who has superior Rikkudo chakra, needed a boost in natural energy to make an attack to reduce the power that he's hit with, and still gets messed up despite his chakra avatar. This means that, with superior chakra to Obito, a shield made of TSBs from him, which would be undoubtedly superior, lacks the ability to survive Inra's Arrow whereas, something weaker (Obito) could escape a Juubi TBB without a scratch. This couldn't be any more direct. Juubi TBB<Indra's arrow in terms of power, period.
@bold Pathetic. The judges clearly didn't have good judgements. This is a bad rep for the judges, not me. In case you didn't realize, Shelke made up a bunch of nonsense, such as saying that Naruto couldn't dodge or sense Sasuke's amaterasu attacks, or couldn't fight Sasuke's genjutsu, or that bijus are weak to fire, something he pulled out of his rear end. He made up things as he went and prettied it up with fancy language and long posts. They made statements like I was too theoretical with the debate, like my counter against amaterasu that Naruto could easily use chakra arms to take it off his avatar, making it not a threat. They thought such statements were too theoretical. Guess what ended up happening?
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The exact counter that these judges said wasn't legit actually happened in the manga!!!! The idea that you think there assessment of my skills is infallible evidence of my actual standing is laughable at best. That just makes he judges really, really bad.
Hate to break it to you Madara Rules, but the opposite happened. One of the debaters even sent me a PM shortly after raging that they gave Shelke won and how I should have been the winner.
Complete Ten tails Host(Hagoromo)'s full powered charged Ten tails's TBB ~ combined Naruto's && Sasuke's attack at vote in the end of manga > Naruto's TBB FRS/Sasuke's Indra arrow
Almost Complete Ten tails Host(Madara)'s full powered charged Ten tails's TBB ~ Naruto's TBB FRS/Sasuke's Indra arrow
Incomplete Ten tails Host(Obito)'s full powered charged Ten Tails's TBB < Naruto's TBB FRS/Sasuke's Indra arrow
Incomplete v2 Ten tails full powered charged Ten tails's TBB << Naruto's TBB FRS/Sasuke's Indara arrow
The Juubi Dama is highly overrated...the fact that Juubito's Chakra arms were more impressive than 4 of his bombs should have ended this decision, but nothing intelligent is to be expected from this place.
The Juubi Dama is highly overrated...the fact that Juubito's Chakra arms were more impressive than 4 of his bombs should have ended this decision, but nothing intelligent is to be expected from this place.
