Is Kakashi the weakest Hokage ever?

[EliteKakashi]

Yeah, the guy writing the novel kinda goofed with writing it as if Kakashi can't use it anymore. It's just much riskier without the sharingan in the case of charging someone with it. Another method he could use, without the risk, is via Tsugia. Wouldn't have to worry about the opponent reacting then.

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Another thing is, there's no reason Kakashi can't take his time with raikiri, either. His most common method of using it is using it for assassination, doing so by sneaking up on the enemy, ala Kakuzu.

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Minato's warning was based on Kakashi going so fast with the technique:

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Something we've rarely ever seen him do with it since the start of the series. He can still use it in most situations that he did during the story.

 

[End of Days]

Yeah, the guy writing the novel kinda goofed with writing it as if Kakashi can't use it anymore. It's just much riskier without the sharingan in the case of charging someone with it. Another method he could use, without the risk, is via Tsugia. Wouldn't have to worry about the opponent reacting then.

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Another thing is, there's no reason Kakashi can't take his time with raikiri, either. His most common method of using it is using it for assassination, doing so by sneaking up on the enemy, ala Kakuzu.

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Minato's warning was based on Kakashi going so fast with the technique:

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Something we've rarely ever seen him do with it since the start of the series. He can still use it in most situations that he did during the story.

Adding to this, other ways would include using other techniques where he is away from opponents body like raiden, lightning wolf, or raikiri kunai, which gives no chance of counter attack

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[RedRobin]

Current Kakashi's feats and abilities cannot compare to Tsunade's. They are in completely different tiers at this moment.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Current Kakashi's feats and abilities cannot compare to Tsunade's. They are in completely different tiers at this moment.

Well, if we're being technical here, current Kakashi has no feats, outside of his kid Kakashi moments and his tactical feats(given the sharingan obviously doesn't remove that aspect of his fighting style).

So yeah, you're correct..but, if we're being technical about things here, he doesn't have feats to compare to anyone, because he doesn't have feats period.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

This is a really good point although Minato does state he is moving so fast that he cannot see his opponent's counter.

However we saw him use it as kid Kakashi, I am sure Adult Kakashi has good enough reflexes to overcome it now.

Even so. Raikiri as a whole is not unusable. The speed requirement(according to guy: part 1 weightless lee) for it is far below kakashi's base. So there's no reason for him to run at his current top speed to use it( which is where the problem lied to begin with).

Then there's his techniques to restrain and restrict his opponents movements, (tracking fang and lighting wolf) so his opponent cannot counter.
But I digress. Kakashi saying he can't use it imho is him being humble as usual, after all his arrogance as a child cost him obito's life.(kinda)

 

[RedRobin]

Well, if we're being technical here, current Kakashi has no feats, outside of his kid Kakashi moments and his tactical feats(given the sharingan obviously doesn't remove that aspect of his fighting style).

So yeah, you're correct..but, if we're being technical about things here, he doesn't have feats to compare to anyone, because he doesn't have feats period.

He still has the feats of all his justu which he retained even without the sharingan however none of them can kill Tsunade.

 

[MinaButt]

He is but thats not a bad thing.

 

[EliteKakashi]

He still has the feats of all his justu which he retained even without the sharingan however none of them can kill Tsunade.

Well, yes, but those techniques were used with the sharingan in mind. Such as him often using techniques just to see how the opponent would react(ala using Raiju Tsuiga vs Pein) and seeing what he could observe/copy/etc with his sharingan.

He does actually possess a method to still kill Tsunade, which is via decapitation with raikiri. I'm not going to get in to a debate of sharingan-less Kakashi vs Tsunade because frankly I don't much care, but one thing the lack of the sharingan grants him is much greater stamina/chakra reserves than what he had even in the war arc.

His method of figuring out his opponent via clones just became a much easier tactic as used to he had to worry about how much chakra was lost with that clone, that's no so much an issue anymore.

This is obviously a guess and I'm not kishimoto, but I imagine Kakashi's fighting style actually switches to a more clone based system as he figures out ways to beat his opponent with his genius-level tactical mind. Stunning opponents with raiton clones or using his ninken to stun/stop an opponent opens up the use for raikiri still, among other methods.

Kakashi turns in to a Hiruzen-lite, almost, as Hiruzen's fighting style in his youth was explained by Orochimaru to include using a lot of clones to figure out his opponents, then going from there.

Either way there's some interesting ways you could develop Kakashi's post-sharingan fighting style, but as of this point it would be nothing more than fan fiction, as it's obviously not coming from Kishimoto himself.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

DMS Kakashi = Strongest not counting Naruto

Actual Hokage Kakashi = Weakest

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Kakashi current one with no kamui or sharingan loses to tsunade

 

[KingHashirama]

Even with the Sharingan.. only thing that put him on Tsunade's level was Obito's technique Kamui.. which was wanked endlessly.. however, even that never put him above the Gokage in the manga.

Well, yes, but those techniques were used with the sharingan in mind. Such as him often using techniques just to see how the opponent would react(ala using Raiju Tsuiga vs Pein) and seeing what he could observe/copy/etc with his sharingan.

He does actually possess a method to still kill Tsunade, which is via decapitation with raikiri. I'm not going to get in to a debate of sharingan-less Kakashi vs Tsunade because frankly I don't much care, but one thing the lack of the sharingan grants him is much greater stamina/chakra reserves than what he had even in the war arc.

His method of figuring out his opponent via clones just became a much easier tactic as used to he had to worry about how much chakra was lost with that clone, that's no so much an issue anymore.

This is obviously a guess and I'm not kishimoto, but I imagine Kakashi's fighting style actually switches to a more clone based system as he figures out ways to beat his opponent with his genius-level tactical mind. Stunning opponents with raiton clones or using his ninken to stun/stop an opponent opens up the use for raikiri still, among other methods.

Kakashi turns in to a Hiruzen-lite, almost, as Hiruzen's fighting style in his youth was explained by Orochimaru to include using a lot of clones to figure out his opponents, then going from there.

Either way there's some interesting ways you could develop Kakashi's post-sharingan fighting style, but as of this point it would be nothing more than fan fiction, as it's obviously not coming from Kishimoto himself.

he won't switch to a clone based fighting style, due to the fact people Minato didn't even do it. And their reserves are much better than base Kakashi. That fighting style is basically reserved for those who atleast have Naruto's level of chakra.

Plus, if you think about his role as Hokage really doesn't require him to be the strongest or w.e. Since they do have the big boy Naruto, and the former Hokage Tsunade. So I would also highly doubt he did major training to reform his style. Even his taijutsu is not longer on that high of a level anymore, due to his loss of sharingan pre-cog.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Naw Kakashi still kicks ass. He has a team of dogs that are ready to roast and toast ninjas.

 

[KingHashirama]

Naw Kakashi still kicks ass. He has a team of dogs that are ready to roast and toast ninjas.

Dogs that can be put down quite easily...... Hes probably even inferior to Zabuza now.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Dogs that can be put down quite easily...... Hes probably even inferior to Zabuza now.

Well he is still a technical and smart ninja. At the moment we do not know if he has other techniques that can make him a valuable ninja. I mean can't he just use another jutsu to replace his current one?

 

[KingHashirama]

Well he is still a technical and smart ninja. At the moment we do not know if he has other techniques that can make him a valuable ninja. I mean can't he just use another jutsu to replace his current one?

Well considering all of his hype was based off of the sharingan, it is gonna be hard for him to replace the jutsus.

Considering the fact Kishimoto basically made Kakashi the Hokage for keeping up with "each generation has a Hokage" thing, I would say he did learn jutsus, and some other jutsu from the Hokage seals (Hokage have alot of knowledge due to the scrolls and etc there). So to me, he'd either be around Zabuza's level or inferior to him, and its not a big thing, since he has Tsunade and Naruto in the village also.

 

[Avani 👑]

It's been revealed that he lost usage of Raikiri. Tsunade is even more above him than before it seems.

Kakashi even wondered if he could protect the village. But never doubted Tsunade.

Yeah but he had Naruto and rest of Konoha at his disposal to fight. A war ridden country needs someone to handle the administration and get it back on it's feet. He had the trust of other clans so it works.

If they went only by power scales the choice would be Naruto but he was still 16. And not really up to handling the office work. Other senior officials like Shikaku and Ino's father was also dead, Guy crippled. Most of other suitable people were either too old or too young. Tsunade had fought in war despite being severely weakened when Pain had attacked Konoha earlier and almost died twice during the war. If she felt tired enough already we cannot really blame her wanting to retire.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Well considering all of his hype was based off of the sharingan, it is gonna be hard for him to replace the jutsus.

Considering the fact Kishimoto basically made Kakashi the Hokage for keeping up with "each generation has a Hokage" thing, I would say he did learn jutsus, and some other jutsu from the Hokage seals (Hokage have alot of knowledge due to the scrolls and etc there). So to me, he'd either be around Zabuza's level or inferior to him, and its not a big thing, since he has Tsunade and Naruto in the village also.

I would have liked Kishi to have shown us how he would have fought without the sharingan. I know that the power is not the issue, But still one wonders how Kakashi would fight without having what he was known for.

 

[KingHashirama]

I would have liked Kishi to have shown us how he would have fought without the sharingan. I know that the power is not the issue, But still one wonders how Kakashi would fight without having what he was known for.

Amen to that!!! Hopefully they add fillers to the anime!

And they need to show the Hokage ceremonies!! I must see those before seeing Kakashi fight XD

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Amen to that!!! Hopefully they add fillers to the anime!

And they need to show the Hokage ceremonies!! I must see those before seeing Kakashi fight XD

Don't worry my friend. SP is milking the series left and right. I am sure they are smart enough to show this.

 

[KingHashirama]

Don't worry my friend. SP is milking the series left and right. I am sure they are smart enough to show this.

oh they better be milking it!!! (could also be the reason they released the movie and etc before the anime ended so the anime could add in fillers and etc)